I've always wanted to be a creative ever since I was young. I've day dreamed about being one and tried working my ass off trying to write ever since I was around 12. My parents tried pushing me towards it for school assignments. I also wanted to draw but never got into it seriously.

I've been wanting to write again for nearly 2 years now and have barely made any progress towards that goal. I've only done one little drabble like 2 years ago and haven't done any exercises since then. I've been trying to get myself to write, but all of it looks too complicated and exhausting for me. I've tried multiple different strategies, but they never seem to work. I've tried forcing myself to write, but can only make myself write a couple of sentences for barely 30 seconds before stopping and looking at my phone again.

I've never been able to complete a single multichapter story in my entire life and actually coming up with stories isn't much better. I can't think anything through and everything about trying to make an entire story looks too hard for me. I want to be a creative really badly, but nothing I've done seems to have amounted to much of anything. I want to become one so badly, and I want to stop wasting my life doing nothing.

>>24525328 (OP)

"being likable" is a different thing
once you realize that, you can create anything you want

For starters, on the next go around try rewriting your OP to reflect what you got out of your previous thread instead of just reposting it verbatim.

Were you born yesterday? Literally just do it retard. The more you do it the more you'll want to do it. The less you use your phone the less you'll want to use it. There are no secret tricks that everyone in history uses to get what they want on a silver platter. "Fake it til you make it" works for most problems in life.

>>24525328 (OP)
Professional writer here (full disclosure: I get paid to write. But I write video games)
>I've never been able to complete a single multichapter story in my entire life
This was, and still is, literally me. I've done more writing in the first year I started doing it as my job as I had in the 10 years leading up to that. Now that I'm forced to write every single day though, I can see myself improving, and it makes me want to write 'for fun' as well.
So... Maybe find some club or class or something where you're forced to write every single day/week so you don't chicken out? Also never start from multi-chapter stories - by the time you've planned one of those out even just at the core level, you'll already be too bored with it too even start. Start with short stories, or even paragraphs. In my case, I write quests, and each sub-quest at least is self-contained so it's great practice.

>>24525328 (OP)
You are conceptualizing a concept you've termed a "creative", assigned attributes to it, and have drawn the boundary between you and the concept, hence why you say "I really want to be a creative" or you exhibit and talk about your behavior like "can only make myself write a couple of sentences for barely 30 seconds before stopping..."

First, erase this boundary.
Second, begin the transition to a creative lifestyle. Creativity is born from observing the world around you, from your immediate surroundings to as far as you can see, hear, taste, etc.

Now, creativity is a means of communication. People who create are communicating through their medium of choice. Some people draw, some write, some dance, some film, etc.
So if creativity is communication, think very carefully about why you use speech and writing to express yourself. What was it that got you to sit down and write this post? Why did you come to /lit/?

I'd encourage you to begin thinking about multi chapter books you've read. What did you like about them, what didn't you like? What could they do better? How would they do it differently? Do this for a variety of books you've read. Why do you love some vs others?
Over time, you'll begin to build a nuanced form of your taste, which is great, because it begins to shape what you want to see in the world.

To put very plainly, people who appear creative tend to express a dissatisfaction towards the status quo and take it upon themselves to establish an equilibrium within their domain. Their degree of openness and flexibility to destroy and rebuild concepts help facilitate their exploration. These people are called "artists" "creatives" "writers" "craftsmen" and so on.

Craft competency comes with practice and lots of time. Start with foundations then work your way up, like any game, skill, or sport. There will be lots of failures, work in progresses, and false starts. These are important because for every 100, there has to be a solid 1 or 2 at least. The more you do, the more solid ones appear, and within those, the better and better.
Taste comes with exposure of the medium. You want to write? Expose yourself to LOTS of varied writing.

That 30s of writing before stopping is essentially a 0.01% of your time spent expressing yourself creatively, which is great. Now imagine you stack another 30s on top of that, then again, and again. Each time, you're widening this window to be the very thing you want to be.

Also I'd encourage stream of consciousness writing where it can be gibberish and incoherent, but you're defining space to occupy communicating creatively.

I'm personally not a fan of "forcing" or "discipline", mostly because you're not really training anything that will help you...if anything you'll be training the thing that's against creativity.

Definitely take up a writing class to learn foundations. That way you won't get lost. Creativity is sloowwww and takes lots of time, be very patient.

>>24525328 (OP)
>>24525444
In a world where everyone is drawing squares, it will be the artist who draws a circle.
This is the heart of creativity

It is the artist within you that comes out for 30s at a time to write out a sentence or two. What if that artist kept writing? For a minute, or 5 minutes?

>>24525328 (OP)
stop jerking off

>>24525328 (OP)
Get up on the floor dancing all night long get up on the floor dancing till the break of dawn get up on the floor dancing till the break of dawn get up on the floor: dancing
Dancing is what to do dancing's when I think of you dancing's what clears my soul dancing's what makes me whole

>>24525363
>>24525335
what happened to the howie meme?

>>24525540
it got shipped off to 'waii and sold as a party favor

>>24525335
>>24525363
>>24525369
How do I make myself do it? I'm tired of only being able to stare at walls while occasionally playing a video game. I'm tired of not being able to understand all these programs and processes that everyone else can. My ADHD just makes me do nothing all day or just jerk off all day. I'm tired of being held back by this. Nothing else is stimulating for me. What the fuck do I do?

>>24525767
Realize ADHD doesn't make you special (everyone has it these days, including me) and suck it up until it becomes less of a chore to do whatever it is you gotta do. What you're doing is that you try to do something then immediatly quit and go back to what's most convenient. But if you force yourself to do one thing over another, your brain will replace the envy or doing that previous thing over the new one after a certain period of time. Also stop playing video games, or watching dumb youtube videos (or whatever stupid thing you do that makes you stupider).

>>24525772
>replace the envy of*

>>24525772
How do I make myself do it and not give up when it isn't immediately stimulating for me? This is what it's like for everything. I try a hobby, have difficulties and then I just give up and stop caring.

>>24525778
Gee, I don't know... Maybe don't give up immediately? I mean if you're not able to comprehend the simple fact that most of it rests solely on your shoulders then there's literally nothing I or anyone else can do to help.
And, like I said, it starts by realizing that you're not special whatsoever, so you don't have any excuse. Nothing substantial in this world has been brought about without at least some mild discomfort.
Make it a habit and your brain will feel addicted to that kind of thing, and not doing it will feel extremely wrong (you'll always have that voice at the back of your brain screaming at you to get back to it). Anyways, I won't give any more advices because there isn't any left to give. Maybe try doing it first thing in the morning every day when your brain hasn't been fried all throughout the day

>>24525778
Expression is typically fuelled by the necessity to expel emotion. Suffering is typically that fuels the reactor wheels of writing. Where it becomes more painful to not attempt to reach catharsis than it does to subsist with that pain. So excess passions is immensely helpful, and certainly important when it comes to saying something affecting. Regardless of the amount of pain you hold inside of you I would recommend catching your mind in the morning before it has a chance to propel itself toward the well-worn canyons of its own conditioning. Jerking off and sloth are formations made of habit. They can be undone by presence and clarity of mind. If you can somehow manipulate yourself into going for walk or swim or anything that brings you into a relative control of yourself, and if you can do this thing first in the morning, you will find you have far more authority over the rest of your day. I get lost in the waters too. And you would have to be reckless to take advice, especially that of a stranger over the internet.

>>24525767
not doing anything wouldn't be a problem if you didn't have pesky ideas like "being a creative" to ruin it. just go in the opposite direction, stop struggling and give up on everything. i think that's easier than getting yourself to do something.

jannies fucking ban this howie bug

anons: STOP ANSWERING TO THESE THREADS, DO NOT INTERACT

>>24525789
>Maybe don't give up immediately
That's why I'm asking you. How do I stop giving up immediately. My ADHD keeps making me lose interest in things very fast and giving up when something isn't immediately stimulating for me. No amount of medication, or anything has fixed this either. What do I do?

>>24525789
>Maybe don't give up immediately
That's why I'm asking you. How do I stop giving up immediately. My ADHD keeps making me lose interest in things very fast and giving up when something isn't immediately stimulating for me. I've tried medications. I've tried exercising. Nothing has worked for me. What do I do?

>>24525789
>Maybe don't give up immediately
Okay, what's the best strategy for stopping that? I'm on medication and I exercise. I've been trying to get this to work for years.

>>24525328 (OP)
Just do it : 3

>>24525328 (OP)
Here's some advice on how to be a creative OP. It's literally not that hard to start.
1) Just do it. Thats it. Write. Who cares if you don't finish anything. Just write. 100 word flash fiction, 3,000 word short stories. Just put the words out. You're not making a best seller, you're not making money from this. You're just trying to get it out of your mind.

2) Find inspiration. This can be listening to music, playing games, watching movies, reading books, or even jerking off. Take notes of what it was that inspired you to begin with. Was it the characters? The tone or themes? The way the scene was set up? Can you visualize it when you close your eyes? You have to analyze what inspires you as well.

3) Read a lot. Yeah motherfucker, you need to read books. A good writer is a good reader. It doesn't matter if its goosebumps or the funny pages, classics or web novel slop. Just read books, articles, and more. Like with inspiration above, analyze what you read and try to take away from it what you can when you finish. When I finish a book I like to spend a day skimming pages I bookmarked and think about what I want to take away from the book.

4) Take breaks. They'll tell you to write every day, but sometimes you need a break from constantly writing. Play games, jerk off, go for a long walk, cook some delicious food, or do something. Recharge your creativity batteries, especially early on so you don't burn yourself out.

That's a good list of ways to just start out. Like I said you're not trying to make money at this. If you want to do it later, that's only after you've started get in the habit of being creative. Congrats; you're now a creative as long as you produce shit.

>>24525767
Here's a journaling method you can use to methodologically use writing to reason and convince yourself to do things:

https://dn720005.ca.archive.org/0/items/co-creative-evolution-final/Co_Creative_Evolution_1.05.pdf

You can use the power of writing to build perfect self-discipline in this way.

>>24525767
Outside pressure is always the best when it comes to lazy fucks such as yourself. Join a club or a weekly meeting or make some deal with a friend or coworker that you'll show them something new every week. You need to be punished for not doing things, that's the only way you'll actually start doing them habitually.

>>24525328 (OP)
you lack discipline.

>>24526230
But how do I do it? You're not explaining anything.

>>24526286
So what do I do? Give me step-by-step instructions that actually work according to your theory.

>>24526295
>But how do I do it? You're not explaining anything.

First bash your head against a solid wall. It'll either kill you or plug your brain back in because you are obviously retarded.

>>24526369
How about giving actual advice instead of trolling?

>>24526295
I'm afraid you seem to be broken

>>24526379
So I should just give up on everything?

>>24526409
Nta but YES. If you refuse to even try then give up. People tell you to just do it and you ask how... You either just DO IT -- meaning DOING the action -- or you don't. This thread is so retarded I'm now at least 70% sure this is bait.
When you stop deriving pleasure from something, it is still a conscious effort to not continue. Like when your mother forces you to eat vegetables, force yourself to work on it until it feels natural.

You have no excuse to keep replying.

>>24525328 (OP)
You have to like being creative for its own sake. If you don't find the act itself to be fun, you're never going to make it. That's all there is to it.

Now, to be a ground-breaking creative, is a different story. But every creative genius likes being creative for its own sake.

>>24526409
Yeah, honestly. If you're not going to put the work in and actually just do stuff - which is the barest fuckin minimum - then you should just give up now and do something else. Creating just ain't for you.

>>24526975
This is what it's like for every single hobby I've ever tried doing even for non creative hobbies or just anything in general.

Am I just overthinking all of this?

>>24526028
luv it

>>24525328 (OP)
Become a pervert.

>>24527177
Yes. Less thinking, more doing. You come off as deeply retarded or underage. This thread should have ended after the first post. Everybody is telling you the same exact thing and you refuse to put in the work needed; yet you act like what everybody is telling you is inconceivable (like that black kid who couldn't understand 'what if' scenarios after getting arrested by the police). I sincerely hope this is bait. If it isn't (and you aren't underage), you are too far gone for anybody to help you. If you don't think you have profound mental retardation then rethink your life choices and get to work and accept that not everything instantly gives you the dopamine you crave. This starts as homework, like school. I assume you went to school yes?

>>24527211
I'm 25 with autism, adhd, and a learning disability.

>>24525328 (OP)
i mean this very sincerely: you should give up, and learn to enjoy and appreciate the works of these "creatives" you aspire to become. your life will benefit immensely from the repurpose of your ambition

>>24527223
I don't want to give up. I've been writing and roleplaying for 12 years and I have nothing else.

>>24527222
Well okay then you are retarded. You seemed a bit distant like many people with autism (and plenty of women over text too). So I was right to trust my gut. If you want to be a little bit less retarded then at least try (and you'll be known as king amongst the retards, the one who made it). Everybody's telling you the same thing: try and stick with it. Continue through the discomfort and FORCE YOURSELF to not give up. Don't use your arms and legs to make the conscious choice of doing something else.
TRY NIGGA. That's it, there's nothing else to it, and there's never going to be anything else to it.

>>24527237
Currently, the latest thing I tried to do was to go into making hammer maps with the editor, but I haven't gone back to it in a couple of months and I don't know why.

>>24527222
Don't listen to others trying to discourage you.
You can use the power of writing to organize your life and act by will.
>>24526260

>>24527345
The problem is that a whole bunch of subconscious desires and bad habits are getting in the way of your conscious intention.
So your subconscious urges override your conscious agency.
The solution is to write to yourself to plan what to do and reflect on your thoughts and emotions.

>>24527371
My ADHD makes me lose interest and give up quickly. I have the same problem where I stare at a wall or the ceiling for minutes on end at times.

>>24527364
journaling is perfectly fine and would probably benefit OP a great deal, but i wouldn't call that being a "creative".

your place in the enlightened world is that of the receiver in the artistic dialogue, OP. this is okay. the world needs you there. reading is very hard work but very rewarding. i think you will find it'll serve you very well

>>24527375
Yes that's why you use writing.
Writing makes your thoughts concrete to reflect and build upon methodologically.
This makes writing the most powerful tool of thought ever created.

>>24527377
What's the process for doing this?

>>24527376
You didn't read the PDF.

>>24527378
>What's the process for doing this?

Question -> choice -> action

https://dn720005.ca.archive.org/0/items/co-creative-evolution-final/Co_Creative_Evolution_1.05.pdf

Yes OP just use another needless technique you'll give up on halfway through. That seems like a good idea

>>24527386
How do I stop myself from just giving up halfway through?

>>24527407
OP needs to kill himself right this very instant. I hate autists so much it's unreal

>>24525767
Five minutes matters. Make progress in pomodoro-timer-sized increments and set lots of reminders on your phone to work at it at different points in the day. Can't believe I'm bringing up Cas from Clutterbug on an anonymous literature weaving forum but she is a home organising mom with ADHD who therebyunto'd've has all kinds of ADHD advice you might be interested in.
>>24525335

>>24527423
How do I stop myself from giving up? That's my biggest issue.

>>24527381
that is correct

>>24527445
I just told you. The giving up comes easy for a person with ADHD and the only way to stop it is to neva give appu >>24525335 which you're finding hard to do; therefore you need to weaponise that you're also wired to be quick to start by setting alarms to make yourself constantly restart after giving up
>but I dont WANT to follow the advice that helps I just want to wallow and ask people how to stop giving up and make threads over and over waa waa waa
if you do the same thing you did before you'll get the same results.
But if you genuinely want advice to stop yourself from giving up? here's some more ADHD focus tips https://add.org/tips-for-focusing-with-adhd/

>>24527375
why aren't you on medication?

>>24527642
ADHD makes it hard to jump through all the hoops to get a prescription

>>24527642
I've been on medication for my entire life. I'm currently on adderall, paroextine and all this other shit for my thyroid condition.

>>24527642
Not him but in the UK it's a two year waiting list or £1200.

>>24527526
>https://add.org/tips-for-focusing-with-adhd/
I've heard everything on this list before, and I never know what to do despite that. I don't know how to formulate a plan for any of these things.

I fear that reading will poison my thoughts with the thoughts of others.
>enrichment
Even though I feel interest for ideas, every artist, writer, creator admits to having been influenced by someone else. While that isn't bad, I would hate to lose myself in someone else's work, thereby becoming only a husk occupied by someone else's ideas.
>we all are occupied by foreign ideas.
Yes, but that happens through experience. Who you are is a combination lf your genetics and your experiences. Thus making it unique, and therefore valuable. However, beciming consumed by an author's influence is becoming a shallow, incomplete version of the original author. As these ideas are not shaped by your experience or your mind.
>reading is an experience in itself
Sure, but these authors came up with their ideas through their lived experiences. Reading and living are way too different from each other to be considered the same kind of experience.
>win some, lose some
This is correct. In order to win an idea, you must lose another. Perhaps this siggests a darwinian struggle of ideas within the mind.
Perhaps you must risk your own death through experience in order to be able to actually think. Maybe that is what reading is.

Idk. Thoughts?

>>24527790
You don't just HEAR the things on the lists
You don't FORMULATE PLANS with the things on the lists
You DO the things on the list in order to DO THINGS.
I have given you multiple explicit forms of actionable advice and you're still whining. Fuck you, you're not gonna make it and that's cosmologically good. If the carrot doesn't work then the stick of failure will be the only possible motivator toward action you fucking coward.
Knowing is not the fucking issue. You need ACTION. I can give advice on how to make it easier to take action but there is NO SUBSTITUTE for actually taking action. I don't care if you heard it all before because you HAVEN'T BEEN APPLYING IT.
Let's say you want to write. Here's how to apply the page
1: Break down simple tasks. Well, that means instead of writing a chapter, you write a page. But you STILL NEED TO WRITE
2: Schedule breaks.This means outside of the scheduled break you STILL NEED TO WRITE
3: Thought dumping. It clears your mind so you are ready to WRITE.
4: Body doubling. This keeps you accountable so you will ACTUALLY WRITE.
5: Leverage organisaton to have it clear what you want to do, which is to ACTUALLY WRITE
6: Fidget. As a temporary distraction so you can get back to ACTUALLY WRITING
7: Gamify.Create a reward structure to motivate you ACTUALLY WRITING
8: Optimise your environment to minimize distractions while you ACTUALLY WRITE
9: Prioritize self-care so you can be energised to ACTUALLY WRITE

There is no simpler way to put this - as it stands, until you change, you are a lost cause.

>>24527826
People don't really understand what it's like to have actual ADHD. "Just do it" doesn't work, it works for normal people that have brains which take the hint and start producing dopamine as they should. An ADHD person will try and it feels pointless, every signal in their body is telling them to stop and that it's not going to work and that they need to do something else that's much more important and worthwhile. If they're a masochist and particularly stubborn, they might force themselves to do it for 5-10 minutes before becoming so mentally exhausted they have to take a break with something their brain actually finds rewarding. A normal person might experience something similar, an initial hump of inertia before their brains take the hint and they get in the zone - this never happens to an ADHD person, no matter what trick you try.

>>24527864
nta but I have ADHD and you're full of shit
discipline beats everything, pomodoro also helps
we live in an age of fucking pussies
if ADHD retards can finish a video game they can finish whatever the hell it is they need to do

>>24527880
It's trendy to claim you have ADHD because you hate doing homework or whatever, but this is why it's an actual brain disorder and not something you can fix with a tomato timer and todo list (if yours can, then you didn't really have it in the first place).

I think this small lecture on ADHD is great, even talks about why it's easy for people with it play video games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tpB-B8BXk0

>>24527895
good thing I've been diagnosed with it then!
again, you're a lazy retard
you're on the /lit/ board, nobody you're describing here could ever finish a book

>>24527903
So? There's no way to verify if you actually have it and all doctors do is go through a checklist and ask you self-report questions. It's hard to differentiate between lazy faggots that hate homework and people with the actual disorder. Like I said, if a tomato timer fixed your "ADHD", you never had the actual thing.

>>24527920
>So? There's no way to verify if you
absolute fucking cope. Stopped reading here. You are a lazy faggot with no future. Keep wallowing in self-pity. I've been diagnosed and I've always refused to takes pills and coffee has always had the opposite effect on me (one of the symptoms as per my doctor!), and yet I'm able to do what I'm supposed to by sheer discipline and taking sometimes lengthy breaks in-between. But you know why you won't ever be able to do it? Because it's hard to get it going and it's even harder to not burn out, and you'd rather blame just about anything else but yourself. KEEP. DOING. NOTHING. And don't reply I won't read your nose drivel.

>>24527864
So am I just fucked?

>>24527826
My question is, how do I do all this and what do I do to make this happen?

>>24527940
So, then what the fuck do I do? Because everything that I've ever tried doing has never worked for me, and it's for the same reasons I've given above. I can't do anything.

>>24527940
So how do I stop burning out? How do I stop giving up immediately? Saying "Just do it" isn't going to work for me.

this thread used to be annoying but I legit kinda like it now. mentally ill anons make for great zoo exhibits

So am I just fucked?

>>24528238
Yes. Give up.

>>24527820
No thoughts? :(

>>24528024
you gotta just do it. if you watch the shia video you can see how frustrated he is to see people thinking in circles like this. think that just doing it will not work for them. but he's fuckin pissed bro. he knows you can just do it. just do it. FUCK. JUST DO IT. JUST DO IT

@24527864
@24528024
Stop wallowing in self-pity. For one it doesn't sound like you have ADHD at all. ADHD people are easily energised which is entirely the problem.
In any case, it's not like I don't know what having bad brain chemistry is like. I am autistic. The literal aspergers kind. It is also a brain disorder - the brain hyperprocesses info piecemeal rather than associatively, which is what leads to sensory overwhelm.
The strategies used to deal with autism essentially involve learning tricks to use your cognitive resources to socially pass, systematically doing through logical reason what other humans do intuitively. Certain pieces of perfectly normal human advice eg take breathers, reenergise with fun activities, ask questions to socially engage, be organised etc. become particularly applicable due to how the autistic brain works. So @24527895 really pisses me off because 'it works for normies but it wont work for me :(' is the exact opposite of the truth. YES THE COPING STRATEGIES LIKE 'fixing it with a tomato timer and todo list' ARE EXACTLY WHAT GOOD ADVICE THAT WORKS WOULD SOUND LIKE. FOR THE ADVICE TO WORK ON THE SPECIFICALLY AFFLICTED, IT'D HAVE TO WORK AS GENERALIST ADVICE FOR NORMIES.
No brain chemistry is stopping you from putting in 5 to 15 minutes of work. That's all you, you lazy mongoloid. I am denying you any further (You)s and may God have mercy on your soul.

>>24528283
And do nothing?
>>24528665
No, I genuinely do have ADHD. I've been formally diagnosed when I was younger and given tests for it when I was really young. I have ADHD. No question. My meds make me tired is the problem. But I can't get off of them without insane withdrawals.

>>24528785
Sleep and play video games, that seems to be all you want to do. Or all 'your brain' wants to do, according to yourself.

>>24528814
I want to do something else. Otherwise I wouldn't be asking here.

>>24525328 (OP)
making this thread into a general productivity thread, because OP isn't that reasonable...

even if you have the youtuber, the advice given in this video is good: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xWNnMNuIPK4
also: drugs help, at least soft ones.

>>24525328 (OP)
Stop wasting time calculating the perfect route and just GO ALREADY!
There is no magic combination of words that will produce the magical feeling of motivation you seek.

Accept that you are going to need to make a lot of shit before you get anywhere near making something you feel good about. This will probably take years.

Or don't. And you'll come back every so often, seeking advice and rejecting it. "Ah, this advice might work for most people, but I am uniquely fucked, so I cannot be helped!" Congratulations, you have excused yourself from the task, and can return to enjoying your fantasy of a creative life.

>>24529009
You should be asking in an ADHD forum. The reality is that to be an artist, you have to have a high degree of concentration and self motivation. If you don't have that, you have look for meaning elsewhere in life.

>>24529063
I've been writing and role-playing for over a decade now. Does that count?

>>24529144
I've been writing for 12 years.

>>24529173
Congratulations: you're a creative
Hope it's everything you dreamed of

>>24530131
No, I'm not. I want to draw and do other things as well beyond just writing.

>>24530205
then draw something TODAY :^)
Post it here when you're done.

You are a snake that feeds on its own tail. You may think yourself made humble but you supremely arrogant in your helplessness. If you plummeted overboard into the Atlantic, you would cry and shout to be saved, and then you would refuse to take the hand that saves you. You have made your own weakness your fetish, and constructed a totem pole of how much you love to hate yourself, so that you can drive it into the earth outside of your tepee. You Munchausenian wretch. In reflection your life will amount to an edification of everything you never were. Destroy your mind.

>>24526260
Are you the author? This looks really interesting and I will try it out.

>>24531748
Translation: I don't understand your problem and I don't want to put in the effort to listen and understand, so I will just create a strawman where I replace your problem with a more common and easily solved one and paint you as morally deficient to feel better about my lack of ability to give advice and be empathetic. Not only that, but I will gaslight you about your condition and gladly push you over the edge into suicide because your very existence causes me butthurt, as it reminds me of my limited understanding of the world and the human psyche. Please, I need you to either shut up or die, so that I can preserve my simple minded conceptualization of a just world where mental illnesses can be solved with a tomato timer and todo list.

>>24532206
hey retard you're the one unable to be creative here we're doing just fine so dont blame us for trying to help
>pic related: its (You)

>>24532464
>Look mom, I drew my shitty strawman, it's so much more vivid and therefore true!!

Bump

>>24525328 (OP)
you don't become a creative, you either are one or you aren't. Clearly you lack the necessary drive, you're just infatuated with the idea of being a creative person. You like the idea of being a writer more than you actually like writing, which means your'e not actually a writer. You're just a vain, confused, lost person who doesn't understand the purpose of their life.

Even creative people, well, actually creative people, don't see themselves in this precious kid-gloves way. They treat what they do as work, which it is.

Your attitude of mystical admiration of the creative act just belies your own absolute lack of any creativity. Basically, the people who run the show, whatever it may be, are not awed by the tricks of the trade. You are, because you're meant to consume media, not create it.

So stop wasting your time banging your head against the wall and give up. Your wasted effort is based off a fundamental misunderstanding of yourself and of the "creative" process... which is itself an irritatingly vague, nebulous term—everything is creative in a certain light. You mean the plastic arts, which can be practiced, provided you have the necessary modicum of talent, and again, conscientiousness and drive.

You clearly lack both, again... so get over yourself.

>>24525767
clearly you don't want to do it, or you'd do it. So be honest with yourself. Jesus

>>24525369
how did you get that job?

>>24525328 (OP)
you can't train it

>>24535049
Okay, okay, Howie thread but I gotta chime in here.
You raise some good points, but are being a bit too pessimistic. It is human history, how a person can rise from near nothing and make something of themselves; yes, even if that's a depressive, impotent state of being.
There is a certain ordinariness that comes with an honestly-pursued creative endeavor. You engage out of mere curiosity and merely for the sake of the process in itself as it unfolds for you, without regard for anyone else. It is not "training to make a commodity out of", it is more straightforward than that.
Indeed, the issue with people like OP might be a lack of honesty with themselves. Not that they necessarily aren't "meant to" engage with creative endeavors; just that they aren't paying attention to what naturally catches their attention. A Life Of One's Own by Marion Milner comes to mind.
Just my two cents.

>>24537024
>meant to
To clarify, that whole thing is a lie anyway. As well as "supposed to" or "should do" or anything of the sort. It often takes effort to stop ignoring what catches your energy, which is always in plain sight, because you gotta realize you have a self-sabotaging narrative which you believe so thoroughly that you think it axiomatic.

>>24535049
>>24535052
Oh for fuck's sake. Yeah I've heard this a million times for every single hobby I've ever tried. I like the idea of doing anything besides sitting in my room, laying in bed, jerking off and going to sleep or looking at my phone and staring at a wall while barely being able to get out of bed. Am I seriously raising the bar too high? Is that what you're telling me?
Then am I not interested in anything at all? Because this is what it's like for everything that I've ever tried doing even for non creative hobbies or just anything in general.
I have literally tried doing several artistic hobbies and gave up each of them immediately when I was a teenager.
>Gave up on Source Filmmaker
>Gave up on GameMaker
>Gave up on FireAlpaca
>Gave up on Photoshop
>Gave up on writing
I didn't know how any of them worked or what to do. I don't even know basic trig. Even when I look art guides, I literally cannot comprehend them or figure them out. I don't want to be stuck with no creativity or being unable to express myself. This is what it's like for literally everything I try doing. I'm not able to try and keep up with any hobby. Even writing, I do it sporadically and very rarely. Stop giving me this reductionist bullshit.

I'm not here to get attention, I'm not here because I "secretly don't like doing anything creative" I'm here because I want to fucking draw, write and make something. Now are you going to give me advice or not?

>>24525328 (OP)
1: Make time for it. Keep your appointment with yourself and remove all distractions. Don’t miss a day doing it. If you want to write, schedule 6am every morning for an hour. Sit there with your pen, with your paper, or with your word doc. Don’t touch anything else for that hour. Only excuse out is for pissing. Don’t even bring coffee or water. Give yourself nothing else to do at all.
2. Just start, doesn’t matter what the start is, just start. Don’t overthink just start. Put the pen to paper immediately when you sit. Only lift up if you need to shit, piss, or have a hand cramp.
3. It’ll be dogshit until it’s not, or until it’s been edited

There you go.

>>24538303
My problem is that I have a ton of time and I can't make myself do anything. I'll just sit at my computer opening tabs, listening to music and not doing anything.

>>24538303
I also NEED my computer because I don't have anything to write on and my hand writing is shitty and it's too tiring for me.

creativity is nothing but hybridizing/mixing/combing things that haven't been joined before, and then have the 'taste' to recognize that they work together as something new, a tertium quid
you can't learn aesthetic sensibility, though you can imitate what the masses most likely will like

>>24538303
How do I make myself? My problem is that my medicine makes me unmotivated to do things. And I can't stop taking them cold turkey because I'll go through withdrawals.

>>24538303
How do I make myself?

>>24535049
So was I writing for 12 years because I wasn't interested in being creative or what?

>>24538280
Have you tried taking a class at like the community college or something? Maybe you need to do this in a structured environment, where you have to be accountable to a teacher.

>>24538584
>Have you tried taking a class at like the community college or something?
I have for writing, but I'm still just as unable to do it as I was before. I can barely even write for any of my assignments anymore.
I was able to do writing before without any kind of need for that. I've been RPing for years without it. But I don't know what to do nowm

>>24538584
I want to be able to do these things on my own.

>>24538584
>Maybe you need to do this in a structured environment, where you have to be accountable to a teacher.
No. I'm fucking beyond tired of not being able to do this shit on my own like everyone else around me is able to do. Give me advice on how to do it myself.

>>24539221
how about you give ME advice?

>>24532469
It's not a strawman when people like you come along. You are so pathetic that you literally embody the comic. Arguably, you are worse, since you antagonize everyone.

>>24525328 (OP)
Hire me and I will teach you. I'm being serious.

Maybe you're not made for that kind of creative hobby. Have you tried something more practical and less abstract? Like painting or gardening? Woodworking, maybe? People can be creative with all sorts of things — even with mechanics. I know that basically everything becomes enjoyable only once you get some level of competence, but it shouldn't feel like a chore.

Also, ADHD is a meme and you don't have it. Americans are retarded and get diagnosed with ADHD because your psychiatrists are incompetent. It's obvious that with medication you'll get more productive — they’re amphetamines.

You should drop video games, stop watching porn, get inside communities of people, delete your social networks, delete every dating app, block porn websites, touch some grass, do some exercise every day, and try something new.

You'll never fix your life if you keep blaming a made-up pathology for every problem instead of taking responsibility for your actions and getting rid of your addictions.

>t. former person with "ADHD" who is now sober, married, has a house, a job, and no trouble focusing.

>>24540113
I've explained up here >>24538280
That I've heard this for literally every single hobby I've ever tried doing. I was able to write for long stretches when I was younger and now I can't make myself write at all. My medicine, ADHD, all of that shit is affecting my ability to write again. I'm still currently RPing, but not writing stuff on my own.

>>24540113
>but it shouldn't feel like a chore.
But that's another problem. EVERYTHING feels like this. Even just non creative hobbies.

>>24540643
You might be clinically depressed mate. Get your brain checked.

>>24540651
I'm on paroextine which I'm thinking is making me unmotivated to do things and blunting my passion for doing anything.

>>24540651
People were telling me this for every hobby I've ever tried.
>It shouldn't feel like a chore!
But it is.

>>24539409
It is a strawman.

>>24540653
i know a shit ton of people who are on paroextine and get their shit done. Indeed, it's a pretty good ssri compared with the shitty stuff that usually get prescribed. You are depressed but you should stop blaming everyone but you.

>>24541021
Okay so what the fuck do I do? How do I make myself do anything? I'm fucking tired of not doing anything.

Maybe just work on short/small stuff like songs, poems. Longer works may be out of your reach. We have to deal with the cards we're dealt.

>>24541033
I want to work on longer stories and I just want to make any stories in general, period. I can't make myself do literally anything. Except for RPing or playing a video game.

>>24541024
Delete your social media, delete YouTube from your phone, block porn sites and force yourself to stop watching them. Do some physical activity every day, even if it's just light exercise (I know it sounds like a meme, but your dopamine receptors are fried and that’s part of how you fix them). Then focus on finding real solutions to the actual problems in your life instead of chasing forms of escapism. If the problem is your education, consider getting help from a tutor. If you’ve got a shitty job, look for a new one, and so on. Throughout all of this, put the whole creativity issue on hold. Some people manage to be extremely creative in their darkest moments — clearly, you’re not one of them. And without at least a bit of peace of mind, you’re not going to get anywhere. I know it might seem hard, but I think you already know which parts of your life need fixing. Start with those.

>>24541035
and stop playing videogames you manchild. If you’re not able to manage yourself, stop immediately. Once you’ve put the important things in order, then you can allow yourself to play video games.

A lot of idiots are going to come at me with evidence saying that AI makes people retarded when in actuality its a bunch of niggers telling them to explain it like they're 5.
You can probably help your creativity by exercising your brain through studying philosophy using AI and decompressing your thoughts through an LLM to help adapt your critical thinking; you'll eventually start discriminating what is true or false the more you dig deeper. Treat your relationship with it like an adversarial network and you'll likely end up getting more creative writing abilities because it rewards cognitive processes that are pivotal from linguistic thinking. It takes differing amount of times for people to learn certain topics but once you get a hang of it you'll be able to have a lot more of a schematic representation of things than a linguistic one. Hope this helps.

>>24541043
>It's another "You just like the idea of doing this and not actually doing it" post
No. I want to be creative. I want to do literally anything other than laying in bed looking at my phone. Give me advice on how to do that.

>>24541045
No. I don't need to put down any video games. People can play video games and be creative and have ADHD just fine. Give me actual advice.

>>24541061
>(you)
>>24532464

>>24541043
>your dopamine receptors are fried
is neuroplasticity inaccessible to normies? figures.

>>24541068
Give me actual advice instead of relying on that shitty strawman comic.

>Literally no job I want
>World of work just disinterests and depresses me

At least you want something. I don't want anything so it's nigh on impossible to motivate myself for anything.

>>24541079
Stop smoking weed

>>24541082
Never smoked weed.

>>24541088
just sayin'

>>24541066
Write Fanfiction. Ask chat gpt.

>>24541102
How do I make myself?

>>24541093
I know it can make you really anxious so I never tired it, plus the NHS can really shitty with you if you're on it, even if it's prescribed to you.

>>24541128
Literally just don't tell your psychiatrist you're smoking weed. That's immediate kryptonite for your whole reputation in whatever 'therapeutic' organization you're contacting and you might as well just move somewhere else if you fucked up. There's always other avenues to get medications safely on your own but you'd just have to put a lot of effort into finding them.
Also if you're concerned about anxiousness you could just start off with a high CBD ratio

>>24541110
Type on your keyboard a sentence about a videogame you played as a reply

>>24541163
I want actual advice.

>>24541168
Ask chat gpt every step

>>24541186
I want actual advice.

>>24541192
Take magic mushrooms

>>24541160
Alright, thanks. I'll bear that in mind.

>>24541215
I want actual advice.

>The most pathetic poster on the entirety of 4chan has posted yet again

>>24525335
/Thread fpbp
>>24526028
Classic haven't seen it in years

>>24541251
Reposting the same strawman comic doesn't make you correct.

>>24541231
Always brush your teeth before bed

>>24541267
Get treatment for your narcissism instead of shitting up the board and making it everyone else's problem

>>24541275
I've been dealing with this problem for my entire life and I'm tired of it.

>>24541043
I'll start and it and just to "eh whatever" and then go back to my phone.

>>24541293
find a better therapist. Blame you parents.

>>24541231
live an interesting life so you have real story to tell

>>24541301
get rid of your phone coward

>>24541323
If I get rid of my phone, I'll just stare at a wall doing nothing.

>>24541328
that's a good thing. You keep wasting your time on bullshit. Boredom is necessary to create. In the exact moment you feel boredom you start jerking off or watching brainrot on your phone. If you can't even do this give up you stupid donkey

>>24541346
I'm wasting my time either way. Give me actual advice.

You have to go to Peru and do the ayahuasca thing with a shaman. It will rewire your brain and you will become a new creative man.

>>24540997
It is also true.

>>24541346

stop feeding the troll

>>24525328 (OP) Thank you very much! Now I know what a creative is. People don't use this word that way in my country.

Bump

>How do I become a plumber?
I've always wanted to be a plumber ever since I was young. I've day dreamed about being one and tried working my ass off trying to plumb ever since I was around 12. My parents tried pushing me towards an apprenticeship. I also wanted to learn pipe cleaning but never got into it seriously.

I've been wanting to plumb again for nearly 2 years now and have barely made any progress towards that goal. I've only done one little toilet unclogging like 2 years ago and haven't done any service calls since then. I've been trying to get myself to plumb, but all of it looks too complicated and exhausting for me. I've tried multiple different strategies, but they never seem to work. I've tried forcing myself to plumb, but can only make myself pump the plunger a couple of times for barely 30 seconds before stopping and looking at my phone again.

I've never been able to complete a single major plumbing repair or installation in my entire life and actually coming up with toilet problems in my head isn't much better. I can't think anything through and everything about trying to unclog a toilet looks too hard for me. I want to be a plumber really badly, but nothing I've done seems to have amounted to much of anything. I want to become one so badly, and I want to stop wasting my life doing nothing.

Instead of a strawman, I drew a steelman of OP's problem.

>>24544575
Okay so are you going to tell me what I'm supposed to do to get rid of it?

>>24544885
I have no idea. Your brain doesn't reward you when you try to do stuff, so you're fucked.

>>24544943
So I can never do anything?

>>24525328 (OP)
At least one member of your family must have had schizophrenia or else you are screwed

>>24545009
How about actual advice?

Sounds to me like you just don’t have any discipline to finish the things you start.

>>24545039
Yeah. So what do I do? I can't ever make myself finish anything.

>>24545045
It's not gonna happen buddy
But, hey, we creators need people like you to buy our stuff

>>24545056
Okay, then I'll be killing myself. No point in living if I can't be a creative.

>>24545056
I've been writing and role-playing for nearly 12 years.

>>24525328 (OP)
>put in the sweat and tears every day
>live an interesting life to draw upon
>copious amounts of drugs

>>24545071
How do I make myself do work on the stories that I want to write?

>>24545110
It's fine. I think we made good progress today. You are doing great, to be honest! We will continue this tomorrow. I have been everyone in this thread by the way, with a little help from a bot I wrote (it's not perfect but I'll get it smoothed out in the future). If we keep our chat going for a few more days, maybe weeks, I think we can solve your issues.
I'll be back in eight hours. If you want to keep talking, I'll leave the bot running. See you! And don't forget: It's really hard with all your issues but you're doing amazing despite all your difficulties! We can do this together! See you tomorrow!

>>24545056
How do you explain my over a decade of experience in role-playing then?

>>24545141
Mental illness/immaturity

>>24545153
So I was writing because I actually secretly didn't want to write or...?

>>24525328 (OP)
Creativity is a learned skill. Just create

>>24545141
i'm sure it's bad

Get a ritalin prescription

>>24544960
Well, you can obviously do stuff (you're doing something right now!), it's just not going to be the "productive" stuff you wanted. For a normal person, the sucking eventually stops and their brain gets the hint that they're doing something useful and the feel good chemicals start to flow. That's why they all say "just do it" because a single pomodoro session is enough for a normal person for their brain to switch gears and get into the zone. For you, that never seems to happen. Either because you cannot tolerate the discomfort for longer than 30 seconds, or because the mechanism is faulty for whatever reason and it doesn't matter how much you push through.

All your options suck. Either tolerate the discomfort for a long time, maybe even forever, or you don't do anything and suffer from regret about doing nothing. I have no solution for you but I can empathize and don't blame you for your condition.

>>24545955
How do I make myself go through it? Whenever I try; my brain just wants me to give up immediately and I can never fix this. I give up immediately when something gets too hard for me.
>>24545769
I'm already medicated on adderall and antidepressants.

>>24546330
Try taking very small incremental steps. Like, if you can only handle 30 seconds of work before you give up, just do that every day and increase it by 5 seconds. Accept that it's going to suck and be unpleasant, and build up a tolerance. If you can get to 30 minutes a day, it doesn't matter that it sucks, you'll at least be making progress. Then maybe, if you're lucky, your brain might take the hint and flip the switch and it won't feel like torture anymore.

>>24546330
if adderal doesn't work i fell that you are fucked

>>24546371
I'm also on paroextine which makes me unmotivated and shaky. I also have thyroid problems.

>>24546345
It's not that I can't handle thirty seconds of work, it's that I don't even know what to do in those thirty seconds. For drawing, i just give up and stop with drawing circles in the first few seconds. I try making timers; but I can't even make myself draw in the first place. Its the same problem with writing outside of doing role-playing. I don't know what to do. I can't even make myself begin anything in the first place. The only thing I can do is lay around while occasionally playing a video game.

>>24546345
How do I make myself do any of this? All I'll do is just lay around doing nothing.

The only thing that could make Howie draw for real was if someone physically assaulted him and made him draw, literally standing behind him with a whip and abusing him until he did what is asked.

>>24546398
go see a better doctor

>>24546407
1) prepare your work area i.e. paper and pen on the table
2) set a timer for 30 seconds
3) psyche yourself up and do it until the timer beeps
4) rest and shitpost
5) repeat the next day, but add 5 seconds to the timer

That's all I got, man. If that doesn't work, it's OK, you can give up, you can still have a good life even if you don't achieve your dreams.

>>24546421
How do I make myself?

>>24546418
God I wish. I might write a short story with this premise.

>>24546422
>If that doesn't work, it's OK, you can give up, you can still have a good life even if you don't achieve your dreams.
I've explained that I've heard this a million times for every single hobby I've ever tried doing.
>>24538280

>>24546422
>3) psyche yourself up and do it until the timer beeps
Every time I try doing this, I can only draw circles for 30 seconds at most before I get bored and stop. My mind just goes "Eh, whatever." and just gives up and goes back to laying in my bed and looking at my phone.

200 posts of the worst thread I've ever seen and anon has done nothing but refuse any advice and spout endless excuses toward even the most basic forms of help

>>24546498
Because I literally cannot do the "most basic form of help" my brain doesn't allow me to. I'll just sit around and do nothing, no matter what medicine I take, and no matter how good I'm feeling. It just doesn't work.

>>24546480
What's wrong with giving up? If you're literally disabled and physically can't do something, then you just have to move on, maybe just live vicariously through other artists. Most people don't do anything with their lives, they have no special talents, they go to work, watch tv, fuck their wives once a month and die. No shame in being born mediocre, you're in great company.

>>24546500
it's the self-esteem movement where they started teaching everyone in school that they are special but then you grow up and aren't special i think fight club talked about this also the movie nightcrawlers in that scene where the dudes tries to get a job with the junkyard he just sold a bunch of stolen shit too plus there was probably an op-ed about in the nyt at some point but i'm not gonna be the one to search for it

>>24546500
>>24546512
Then how come I was able to write for nearly 12 years before this?
I've given up on literally every single hobby I've ever tried doing, even for non creative hobbies or anything in general. Everything feels like work, nothing is fun.

>>24546512
>>24546500
Then how come I was able to write for nearly 12 years before this? There's clearly something more going on here than just me being disabled and unable to do it. I'm tired of giving up on literally everything I try doing, even for non creative hobbies or just anything in general. My brain just makes me get bored immediately. I've been living vicariously through other artists for a couple of years now, and I want to make things myself.

Give me actual advice.

>>24546532
What's your theory on it?

>>24546542
I had different medicine.

It boils down to this:
>I want to draw!
The do it.
>No, I can't do it and I can't even do the tiniest step towards it. I can't motivate myself and I can't follow any outside advice from the internet.
Then you need help from your parents or the nurses who help you with your everyday activities.
Three years of coming here have not helped because no one on the internet can help you. Only people in your social circle can help.

>>24546424
call 911

>>24546532
no i wont, even if i can. You don't deserve any advice.

>>24546829
I want to be able to do these things on my own without help.

>>24546970
Then you need help from your parents or the nurses who help you with your everyday activities.
Three years of coming here have not helped because no one on the internet can help you. Only people in your social circle can help.

>>24546976
I want to be able to do these things on my own without help.

I was able to do this for years before. Hence why I was able to write and role-play for years.

>>24546982
If you can't do it on your own then need help from your parents or the nurses who help you with your everyday activities.

>>24546991
I want to be able to do it on my own. I used to be able to. How come I can't now?

>>24547058
if you don't know it, how can we?

>>24547064
Give advice?

>>24547073
Not until you give me advice on how to give you advice.

>>24547058
What you want doesn't matter. It's what you DO that matters. And you're NOT doing it.
If you can't do it on your own then need help from your parents or the nurses who help you with your everyday activities.

How do I give advice, anyway? Everytime I try to give advice I have to think of a lot of words and the dictionary looks so complicated

How can I ask my parents for advice? Everytime I think about it I realize I have to actually form sentences and I can't make my mouth do that no mater how much I want to. I haven't talked to them in 8 years.

>>24547058
>I want to be able to do it on my own.
Then do it. Asking for advice is not doing it on your own.

>>24547117
>>24547091
I want to be able to do these things on my own without help. Give me advice on how to do that. I've been able to do it for years before.

>>24547121
Give me advice on how to give you advice.

>>24547121
Giving advice is not doing it on your own.
If you can't do it on your own then need help from your parents or the nurses who help you with your everyday activities.

How do I make friends? Everyone that I once had as a friend blocked me because I wouldn't stop spamming their twitter DMs with my self-inflicted problems.

>>24547124
I've been able to do this before for years without needing outside help. Stop responding with the same thing over and over again. I'm not doing anything that involves me needing to get help from someone else.

>>24547135
Give me advice on how to give you advice.

>>24547135
You need our help. If you did it you could do it again without help.

>>24547135
>I'm not doing anything that involves me needing to get help from someone else
And yet you keep asking others for help.

>>24547141
I've been able to do this before for years without needing outside help. Stop responding with the same thing over and over again. I'm not doing anything that involves me needing to get help from someone else.

>>24547144
If you can't do it on your own then need help from your parents or the nurses who help you with your everyday activities. Stop responding with the same thing over and over again and do it without help like you wanted.

Headcanon that Howie went through a very traumatic event 3-4 years ago and hasn't been able to draw or write regularly since

>>24547146
I've been able to do this before for years without needing outside help. Stop responding with the same thing over and over again. I'm not doing anything that involves me needing to get help from someone else.

If you respond with your previous post again, I'm not continuing this conversation.

>>24547149
Give me advice on how to give you advice.

>>24547149
If you can't do it on your own then need help from your parents or the nurses who help you with your everyday activities. Stop responding with the same thing over and over again and do it without help like you wanted.

>>24547144
role playing is not real writing

>>24547153
Okay, cheers. Not continuing with you.

>>24547157
Give me advice on how to gice you advice.

>>24547157
If you can't do it on your own then need help from your parents or the nurses who help you with your everyday activities.

>>24547152
Give me advice on how to do these things on my own without need outside help.

Daijoubu Howie-kun, I can be a good nurse for you uwu

>>24547163
But how do I give you advice?

>>24547163
Asking us is outside help. Do it on your own.

>>24547158
Give me advice on how to do these things on my own without need outside help.

Where are your friends, Howie? How could you have forgotten them? Why would you do this?

>>24547163
sleep for 48 hours then start running as you are chased by a lion

>>24547171
Give me advice on how to give you advice.

>>24547168
Give me advice on how to do these things on my own without need outside help.

>>24547180
How do I do that?

>>24547180
>>24547177
How come none of you people ever respond in good faith and just make posts in hopes that the thread dies faster?

>>24547180
>without need outside help
Asking for adivce is outside help. Do it on your own.

>>24547188
>>24547182
How come none of you people ever respond in good faith and just make posts in hopes that the thread dies faster?

>>24547186
>>/ic/>>7643888
It did not help. He will not take any good faith advice. It has been three years now.

>>24547189
we already gave you all the advice you need. Now go to sleep for 48 hours and then start running

>>24547189
>>>/ic/7643888
It did not help. He will not take any good faith advice. It has been three years now.

>>24525369
Hey man, can you please write some game stories that aren't pure and utter dog shit? Thanks.
-/v/

>>24547197
He will not even take advice from someone that considered a friend. Speaking from personal experience

>>24547197
Yeah because you guys either keep shitting on him, telling him that he doesn't like to draw, despite him telling you over and over again that he was doing this for 12 years prior, and just generally don't give any advice.

>>24547214
It's not easy. But you're doing great. Keep thinking about drawing. I think we can get you to go to the paper during the next week. I'll be here and talk to you until you're doing it. Keep trying. You're doing so great! You are not staring at a wall which is already a start!
You have to go to the paper! Come on! I believe in you! To draw you have to get near the paper.
To draw you have to go to the paper. Here's a deal: You can take your phone with you. Make your way to the paper. If you want to we can exchange a few messages while you're on your way there. It's not easy but you got this. Going to the paper is the first step! The next step will be to get your hands on the pencil. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. I'll talk you through it when we get there. We can do this together!

>>24547218
Stop copypasting and give an actual response.

>>24547214
I was Howie's friend. Every week he would bitch about how he can't do anything despite multiple people giving him genuine advice and encouragement and really wanting him to be better. We wanted to see him succeed. But he refused.

>>24547221
Do the thing. You don't need advice. You just need to do the thing on your own. Stop taking outside help.

>>24547224
How do I make myself?

>>24547226
How can I make you make yourself?

>>24547226
If you can't do it on your own then need help from your parents or the nurses who help you with your everyday activities.

>>24547232
How do I make myself do it on my own?

>>24547234
See >>24547231

>>24547234
Do the thing. You don't need advice. You just need to do the thing on your own. Stop taking outside help.

>>24547238
How do I make myself do it on my own?

>>24547221
Nta but why is copy pasting his replies a bad thing? Those are posts that clearly and succinctly explain his entire situation. Sorry, Socrates, he'll try coming up with something original every single time.

>>24547244
If you can't do it on your own then need help from your parents or the nurses who help you with your everyday activities.

>>24547247
Howie isn't gonna fuck you

>>24547249
How do I make myself do it on my own?

>>24547252
Do the thing. Stop asking for advice. You just need to do the thing on your own.

>>24547254
How do I make myself do it? I can't make myself even on medicine, even on vitamin D pills, even on exercise. None of it works.

>>24547260
If you can't do it on your own then need help from your parents or the nurses who help you with your everyday activities.

>>24547260
Have you ever been banned from 4chan? I think that getting banned for a few days will help you look for other things to do, such as drawing

>>24547263
How do I make myself do it on my own?

>>24547271
Do the thing. Stop asking for advice. You just need to do the thing on your own.

>>24547268
Yeah I have. Nothing happened. Still didn't even try to draw; write or do anything.
>>24547273
How do I make myself without outside help?

>>24547275
If you can't do it on your own then need help from medical personnel who adjust your medication.

>>24547284
I've adjusted my meds a ton of times and still nothing.

>>24547315
Let a professional adjust them and don't fiddle with it on your own.

>>24547222
>We couldn't understand our friend's mental condition so we shat on him for it.
Basically this >>24532206

>>24547329
What advice would you give him then?

>>24547329
He isn't gonna fuck you

>>24547334
How about give him advice that works within his disability? He has ADHD. So he's not going to respond to "just do it". That never works for someone with ADHD.

>>24547390
If you can't do it on your own then need help from medical personnel who adjust your medication.

>>24547390
Give an actual advice

>>24547390
How about YOU give him advice that works?

>>24547411
How about timers? Schedules? Anything of that nature come to mind before you decided to shit on him?

>>24547435
It's not that I can't handle thirty seconds of work, it's that I don't even know what to do in those thirty seconds. For drawing, i just give up and stop with drawing circles in the first few seconds. I try making timers; but I can't even make myself draw in the first place. Its the same problem with writing outside of doing role-playing. I don't know what to do. I can't even make myself begin anything in the first place. The only thing I can do is lay around while occasionally playing a video game.

>>24547440
Just get a reference of some random object or character and make the drawing look like that, you don't have to think about anything.

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I hope all you morons are happy feeding this attention-starved dork (You)'s

>>24547456
My bot will keep replying to him for the next couple of years.

>>24547456
(You)s don't cost anything, he's free to have as many as he wants as long as he continues to entertain us.

>>24547454
No, I have to use construction and all these other methods. I don't know what I'm doing.

>>24547684
What does this have to do with literature?

>>24547684
You don't. You can just draw what you see.
Try drawing this apple and post the result.
Black and white, no need to complicate it.
Just the shape, don't worry about shading.

>>24547696
I want to make character designs. Not objects.

>>24547706
Finish this task and I'll give you a character next time.
C'mon, you can do it!

>>24547709
No.

>>24547758
What if you want to design a character that eats apples?
Are all your characters going to be naked since clothes are objects?

Why do the jannies allow this?

>>24547860
It's a janny trolling us

>>24525328 (OP)
use an AI to do all your writing and include "be creative" in the prompt

>>24525369
what is your opinion, if you have played them, on games like Pathologic or Disco Elysium? They are the only games i've ever played where i liked the writing and story

>>24525328 (OP)
What if I want to write screenplays for cuck porn?

>>24549713
Don't