I want to get into an occult knowledge. Recommend me essential and more obscure books to break my mind. I already checked /lit/ occult charts, and it's not enough.

>>24525548 (OP)
do you want "real" occult or "we did a bunch of drugs and reproduced the occult?" because one is dumb as shit and the other is Land

>>24525554

I want to become a wizard. Yes, real occult, please.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudo-Dionysius_the_Areopagite

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Buber
i've come to realize when people say they want occult they really mean mystical

you can start with a monography to get an overview and then read about whatever current you fancy. Pic related is pretty short but it covers a lot of ground and there's a good bibliography at the end.

>>24525548 (OP)
Waste of time

>>24525548 (OP)
>I want to get in to (made up nonsense)
Just make up your own, it will be the most esoteric of all.

>>24525548 (OP)
I 'm currently reading the secret teachings of all ages, after that i am going to read something practical such as Neville goddard, Rudolf steiner. or something about Chaos magick

honestly i don't believe in anything paranormal at all, but it's a fun hobby and i am open minded to the possibilitty of it being real, not like i have anything to lose

>>24525548 (OP)
Egregores by Mark Stavish is a good start. Rudolf Steiner too.

https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/

>>24525548 (OP)

>>24525548 (OP)
It's all deranged God complex nonsense.
Same as all religious bullshit.
In the end it's all a bunch of unhinged megalomaniacs who want to rule the world, and so FUCKING LOVE systems that say "Follow this as absolute law without question."
Premade recipes for authoritarian conditioning.
Con men have always known that the most religious are the most gullible marks.

Fuck that shit follow the golden recipe:
-Love your family, friends, and community.
-Savor natural beauty.
-Enjoyable physical exercise
-Read books
-Always try to become a better person, you always have limitless potential to improve.

>>24526236
>"Follow this as absolute law without question."
most doctrines urge you to diversify and thats for a good reason, at the end its about self actualization
you type like a smarmy reddit type who hasnt even bothered to look things up and thus is at a greater danger of becoming a single-minded cultist type than most actual practitioners

>>24525548 (OP)
Read Jung first before exploring occult. Otherwise you will just end up as no better than any other dogmatic. After that Dion Fortune is a good start if you’re interested in hermetic qabbalah.
>>24525554
Also good advice though needs a lot of initiatory reading before it otherwise you will just end up retarded. Seen it a lot in many a Land fan

>>24525548 (OP)
After Haunegraff (and Manly Hall's Initiates of the Flame series):

>Pali Canon
>Bagavad Gita
>Tao Te Ching (Mair Translation; read the notes)
>Egyptian Book of the Dead
>Hermetica & Greek Papyri
>The Neoplatonists through Eriugena
>KJV, Apocrypha, Dead Sea Scrolls / 'Gnostic Gospels'
> Ficino & Mirandola (Colonna, Strife of Love in a Dream)
>4 Occult Books of Philosophy, Agrippa
>Abramelin the Mage
>Paracelsus; Mysterium Magnum, Boehme
>Robert Fludd, Francis Bacon, Shakespeare, John Dee & Edward Kelly
>Blavatsky, Rudolf Steiner,
>Crowley, A O Spare, Dion Fortune
>Jack Parsons; Dianetics; Operation Paperclip German memoirs (e.g. Walter Dornberger)
>Kenneth Grant, Peter J. Carrol, Grant Morrison, Robert Anton Wilson, Colin Wilson (Mind Parasites)

Video:

Esoterica, Modern Hermeticist (scholarly QRDs)
Glitch Bottle, Hermetix (interviews)
Foolish Fish (contemporary publishing book reviews and historical/methodological primers)
>Gigi Young (de-bullshitified 'New Age' in the Rudolf Steiner oruentation longform lectures)
>Damien Echols (20 years on death row; thorough and approachable deep dives from a pragmatic standpoint)

The 'occult' is as integral to the Western literary patrimony as the Greeks and the Church; engage with the canon holistically. I'd add Echols' books to the opening primer authors listed at the start, particularly Ritual for practical visualization and memory training. Begin with earnest without delay

>10 Zen Oxen

>>24526588
>Esoterica
why would anyone want the pop culture version when you can just read the actual books?

mate it's not magic, he's just attractive and dynamic

>>24525554
The history of the occult is men doing drugs and getting fucked up.
Yeats and the Hermetic Order used hashish to access the Sephiroth.
John Dee used cannabis as incense.
Crowley used everything but paint (probably because it wasn't available nearby)
Contemporary chaos magic is a druggie club who think doing drugs and masturbating or having kinky LBGT sex is occult.
Traditional Witchcraft and the Chumbley excrescences are into tropane alkaloids like belladonna because they're to KVLT for pussy drugs.
All the occult is drugged up and mentally ill.
The only safe, somehow, occult strands are Theosophy (which demand abstinence from intoxicants) and the Fourth Way.
>>24525548 (OP)
Just get your hands on LSD. No reason to waste time reading poorly written crap that doesn't make sense unless you're 10 degrees in, and one cock up your ass deep, in the system of your choice.
>>24525826
This is a good starting point if you want an academic and critical overview of the Occult and its history of the West.
>>24526504
Occult groups are renokwn sempiternal drama clubs where a leader holds sway and dictates what to do and think to his dependent cronies. The other anon is actually correct in regard how occult groups operate from within: like cults centered around a core personality that demands total obedience and submission. Occult groups are exactly the same crap as the Jeet led cults, but because they're less popular and more underground less is known about them. So they're prone to attract criminal elements and BPD personalities. The only reason to be a member of Cultus Sabbati, for example, is to have access to drugs, CP material, and live (and dead) children.

>>24526677
>Occult groups are renokwn sempiternal drama clubs where a leader holds sway and dictates what to do and think to his dependent cronies. The other anon is actually correct in regard how occult groups operate from within: like cults centered around a core personality that demands total obedience and submission. Occult groups are exactly the same crap as the Jeet led cults, but because they're less popular and more underground less is known about them. So they're prone to attract criminal elements and BPD personalities. The only reason to be a member of Cultus Sabbati, for example, is to have access to drugs, CP material, and live (and dead) children.
now you are shifting the focus to occult organisations, completely missing my point. (although even those are very much intertwined)
all of the occultists you mentioned are somewhat modern ones.

What about CCRU?

>>24525548 (OP)
Bump because OP pic made me kek

The Satanic Bible is the only "occult" book you need, because it exposes the bullshittery in the occult and amplifies the wisdom.

>>24526175
repent

Read The Illuminatus! Trilogy, and From Hell for the quickest possible rundown for the occult. A few other good ones are A History of Witches and Sorcerers, and Secret Societies, both by Arkon Daraul, the Element Book of Secret Societies, and there's a very hard to find book that Stanley Kubrick used to refer to during the production of Eyes Wide Shut called Cult & Occult ed. by Peter Brookesmith; and then finally there's a fantastic, nicely concise biography of Crowley by Francis X. King that's worth checking out. Other than those are the obvious like The Secret Teachings of All Ages. Stay away from actually practicing the occult though, it's very dangerous and will invite a lot of bad shit into your life.

>>24525548 (OP)
"Occult" is for underage and women.
Try learning about """AI""" - that's occult. 99% of people on this earth don't know shit about it because they're afraid of math
https://udlbook.github.io/udlbook/

>>24528518
>afraid
yeah, ackschually
it makes my brian hurt like ow ow ow

>>24525548 (OP)
Dean Radin is a parapsychologist who proved magic with science.
Hereward Tilton is a scholar of esotericism and spiritual alchemy critical of the new historiography of alchemy.
Erik Kurlander has written on the occult in Nazi Germany. Other scholars with books on esotericism are D. P. Walker, Frances Yates, Wouter J. Hanegraff and Antoine Faivre. They wrote several books and it depends what interests you more.
Eastern Religions are also very important to understand the occult, for example you'll see them mentioned by Dean Radin.

>>24528634
Also there is a biography by Richard B. Spence on Crowley as a secret agent for the British government that interests me.
Itzhak Bentov is a scientist who wrote on a model of the universe that accounts for paranormal phenomena, he also quotes Eastern mystical ideas.
Robert Monroe's Journeys trilogy describing his out of body experiences are a must read. From the institute he founded Tom Campbell also create his own theory of everything (My Big TOE is the name of his books).
Understanding the UFO phenomenon is also very important to understand religion and the occult. Allen Hynek and Jacques Vallée wrote perfect introductions to the phenomenon, very scientific and grounded.

you won't learn about it in books, you have to like do The Work bruh

>>24528657
what work?

>>24528658
A job.

Usually a hand one. Blow will do too.

>>24528788
sound like cap

>>24525830
This
>>24525863
And This.

>>24525548 (OP)
Did you try /x/ already?....lol

>>24528657
>The keys of practical occultism, whether of Mysticism: or of Magick, may be apprehended intellectually by the study of books, but it is on the inner planes alone that their effective workings may be revealed.
>Unless the requisite contacts on the inner planes are established in the proper manner, no amount of reading will disclose ‘secrets’ that are literally indecipherable and therefore truly occult. The safeguards are both automatic and fool-proof.
this nigga knows

If you think the occult is something real rather than something psychological or sensational, you miss the point of it.

Even Crowley - the one who reinforced ‘magick’ to separate it from stage magic - knew it was all aliens in the end. A stage.

>>24531719
This. Even Tolkien knew this. Magic is an art form, and even considering something to be magic, or magical, is a form of art.

It’s why his elves don’t see themselves as magical beings. It’s why the machines of Mordor are seen as sorcery. Gandalf isn’t a wizard back home in Valinor. The elves look to the wizards the same way hobbits and men look to the elves. It’s all a bar, or an angle. It’s higher for some, lower for others. To Eru everything is just Song. It’s all taken in stride. To the supernatural, it’s not supernatural.

You can’t even avoid it, as the amount of parameters and conditions and variables surrounding magic would not be possible without some higher intellect or design to support it. Nature isn’t that convenient.

All magic (magic systems) is sufficiently advanced/alien art/tech at the end of the day. That, or the mind’s eye. Humans will look to nature and be bewildered and see it as magic regardless of reinforcement.

>>24531719
>>24531738
Yeah but /x/ tards are stupid and want it to be more special than that. Ergo they’re under a spell. They’re bitches waiting to be dominated by a cult leader.

>>24532385
90% of /x/ are glowies and discord mods trying to gain recruits for their succubus. The other 10% is triple iq keks and disclosure.

>>24525548 (OP)

>>24525826
Based. All his books are based. There's an updated version of that one (Esotericism and Western Culture: Counter-Normativity and Rejected Knowledge). Gets a bit cucked w the decolonial theory tacked on but superior depth of history and historiography. Despite his hands being tied by his position, he does the best history and criticism you can find in the field. Ignores grimoires somewhat but Owen Davies wrote the bible on that subject already.
>>24526175
Secret Teachings of All Ages is the crackpot masonic version of such history as properly researched in the aforementioned but remains ever green with the green eared somehow. Oh well.
>>24526677
More or less accurate.
>>24528634
Tilton's book on psychedelics and alchemy was incredible. Radin is a bit cranky methinks. But ya, those are some of the famous scholars. You can add maybe Culianu. Magee. Hm. Names escape me. Lehrich is good too in pomo way. And if you like Radin, you'd prolly like Kripal too.
>>24526236
>don't follow rules!
>follow these rules!
Ironic. Yet. This is best advice. Except imp this is essence of true spirituality and religion. Which was followed by many more famous esotericists throughout history. And they would agree is far more important than inducing psychic "magickal" experiences. In fact, it is a safeguard.

>>24532585
*imo not imp

>>24525548 (OP)
read Claude Lecoutreux and Ronald Hutton

>>24525548 (OP)
Reiterating and adding to >>24526588
Liber ABA, liber E, liber O
Tree of Life by Regardie
Corpus Hermeticum
PGM
3 books by Agrippa
Arbatel
Gateways through light and shadow
Picatrix
SSM
Abramelin
They are in reading and practicing order.
Have fun.
I won't post anything more in this thread.

>>24525548 (OP)
I’m occuuuulting

>>24525548 (OP)
all you need

>>24534433
>manifest it as inscribed
What's the meaning of that?

>>24529676
No

>>24528518
Im not afraid of math I just dont feel like doing it

>>24525548 (OP)
Meditations on the tarot

The occult is "real" but mostly useless
99% of the occult is obfuscated psychology and memetics.

>>24536892
>obfuscated psychology
This. And Jung was the man who de-obfuscated it.

>>24535310
Triggered much?

>occult
There's several distinct movements which are ignorantly referred to as occult.

There's modern satanic, drug related, wiji board shit which is totally baseless and just a premise for kids to have sex in the woods.

There's regional paganism, not occult in any sense just not Christian, distinct lack of nudity, sex in the woods, drugs.

There's the Persian/Asiatic occult movement in Europe during the arts and craft era. Often identified as the "real" one because it happened first. Really just an earlier make believe involving sex in the woods and opium

>>24531738
>>24531719
>"magic"
>ok actually we mean art...er actually we mean mental techniques... umm look we dont actually cast fireballs or turn lead into gold okay
100% of magic is like this. It's all bullshit fart huffing.

>>24537642
It seems weird to single out alchemy when it lead to the development of more “legitimate” chemistry. It’s not like the idea of chemical conversion is obviously ridiculous. You seem like an asshole.

>>24537642
>he thinks magic isn’t real
Explain the power of religion. You don’t need mind control powers to mind control people. The ability to dominate the masses purely through ignorance is just fucking horrifying. We’re seeing it extend into science.

Yes. Psychology is magic. Just considering something magic is psychological.

>>24536900
Jung is still pretty obfuscated, and only kind of half correct. Psychology is the wrong word but it is a mental science. It is closer to applied lingustics or semiotics.
>>24537642
Magic is methods of making bullshit fake stuff become real. First through the manipulation of one's own mind, then the manipulation of other minds, finally to the manipulation of physical reality directly or (usually) indirectly, through the use of symbols and language.
Yea, it is "all in your head". But you have no direct experience of anything outside your head. Your head hosts a living microcosmos that only partially maps to the "real" world through memories formed from sense information. The rest is "fake" in that is form through memories not directly from sense information but from other memories, i.e. imagination (the "alchemy" of memories fusing and changing into new ones).
The esoteric realizations that seperates this from "mere imagination" are:
>the imagined/dream/spirit world is rationally ordered and structured like the real world is. the difference is that the relations that define the real world are created from Nature/God, while the imagined world is created by the imagining mind
>there are living beings in the imagined world. like literally living in a biological sense, just created from mind instead of matter. they crave attention like food and they envy humans with material bodies because matter is the unceasing awareness of God. evil ones want to possess humans.
>language allows for conscious control. occultism puts so much emphasis on the name of spirits because an unnamed spirit is a spirit you aren't conscious of and can't control. language is exoterically about labeling "real things" but in the imagined world the labels become things in themselves. in a lucid dream say dog aloud and a dog appears. symbols, letters, words are the building blocks of imagination and the cells of the living imagined beings called spirits

>>24525548 (OP)
read Evola

from experience, it's best to keep things at a surface level (wikipedia article, basically)

the second you try to dive into the material you realize all the contradictions and bullshit. so you're quoting the new testament... as an authority. but then claim christianity was corrupted

>>24525548 (OP)
Miguel Serrano

For what purpose? What good fruit has any of this stuff ever yielded?

>>24538884
Control of the cultural narrative.
John Dee foreign agent>Kabbalah>British Empire>Money control> William Blake>"magic">Occultism>Break from Western Christianity>"Halloween"> MI6 > Cambridge analitica > Crowley > Arthur Conan-Doyle-Sherlock Holmes> Intelligence-Ian Fleming-James Bond- Hollywood>Beatles>Rollling Stones>Elton John>Bowie>Genesis>Alan Moore> Satanism>New Age-Hindu-British Mystical movement>

CONTROL OF GLOBAL CULTURAL NARRATIVE.
There's not "magic", there's no "god", there's no "spiritualism", there's no "truth", there's only WAR for power, resources, public opinion, minds and reason.
Crowley admitted to it, there's no spiritual truth behind a ceremony, but just a device of manipulation in pursuit of a material and mundane objective.

You're just pursuing the art of deception, the art of manipulation, the art of mind control. The art of shaping the ethereal thought of the human mind.

>>24538956
Translation from skizo?

>>24536043
Great book but more of an outro than an intro.

>>24539051
(((THEM))) = (((REPTILIAN ROYAL ROTHCHILD "BRIT" CROWN)))

>>24539051
If you control the Twitch streams and the tiktoks and the spotify playlists and the yt front page (a couple of decades ago it was hollywood, msm, mainstream music), you control what the plebs think.

>>24526236
Reddit post

>>24539294
cute apu

>>24526236
>you always have limitless potential to improve.
You do not. How do you go off on a grounded rant and then end it with an unhinged claim.

>>24526236
>thinking you're divine is.... LE BAD
What a bunch of slave moralist cuck bullshit.

>>24526677
>Theosophy
lol guenon really is right about you hylics.

>>24531719
>Even Crowley - the one who reinforced ‘magick’ to separate it from stage magic - knew it was all aliens in the end. A stage.
other way around, dumbass.

>>24531719
>Even Crowley - the one who reinforced ‘magick’ to separate it from stage magic - knew it was all aliens in the end. A stage.
It was Crowley who said that all magic is staged magic. And that "magic" happens in your mind not in the real world.
"LE MAGICK" > tl,tr: Getting high on your own mental farts

>>24539294
Will learning jew alphabet and drawing pentagrams give me control of the tiktok and twitch streams?
asking for a friend

>>24526588
> Colin Wilson
Is Wilson's "The Occult: A History" worthwhile?

>>24540807
Outdated agitprop by an airhead but popular among airheads like the fellow you quoted (he mentions a few classics but mostly airheaded nonsense)

>>24540743
No. But it'll help you realize what the archons are trying to program us plebs to think and why

>>24531719
Aliens are fake and gay

Crowley did not believe Lam was an alien but a Tibetan ascended master

>>24525863
This anon has achieved gnosis.

>>24540743
No, for something mundane like that, all you need is money and pussy to feed the puppet masters. For esoteric goals, meditating on Yod in Violet upon a Yellow background will give you a boost in the Mental while reading/writing etc. Use it wisely. You could also study other ancient alphabets like Chinese and Sanskrit and Greek and find the relevant correspondence.
As for the pentgrams, LBRP will get rid of any lower astral entities controlling you.

>>24540743
Yes and no.
No > , it's no "magic", it is just crap used by bull-shitters since ages as their inner circle criminal code.
Yes >, you express to them your will "to belong" and get into their circle, and it comes with a price. These are not good people.
Study about MAFIA. It's all there. Carthage, Phoenicians, Sicily, Rome, Venice> fall of constantiple, Medicis, black nobility, Little London >Rothchild> The economist > Bloomberg > Mithra >WOSSAD> NYC.

is larping a good way to get into the occult? I will start mandarin classes soon to get into some chinese folk magic/taoist sorcery because I want to be as close to a sith as possible (also doing some stuff I found on /x/)

>>24541117
>Taoist sorcery
You're going to be a sith by being in harmony with the universe? How the fuck are you going to do that you're slapping mutually exclusive concepts together. How are you going to balance an absolute?

>>24541117
>>24541126
Tao rhymes with Mao. No thanks.

>>24541126
nah I meant black magic like gu (ku?) and chi manipulation, just laked a better term

>>24541159
>I am going to China to learn how to guku
Based. Good luck.

>>24538062
Magic only works as an art when the people you want to direct buy into your spell, which is reliant upon them buying into your system. Typically magicians utilize a premade system and latch on to an already organized cult of followers. More capable can construct their own from scratch, first from elites, then using their funding from the common set.
>imagined things are literally real
Reality is fake though.

>>24540832
>you can use Magick to combat astral entities and unlock higher powers
I am in the odd boat of understanding that this is symbolically accurate yet monkey brain doesn't really react properly unless you go full schizo and buy into literal demons, and then you unlock a higher potential, but its a necessarily schizo variant. So it seems like bullshit in the end, but then I am lost to the astral demons that savor my ignorance and suffering.
Can't win. Buddhism sort of works but is nihilism with a smile.

>>24525548 (OP)
Don't bother it's disappointing.

>>24541491
to use Hylic psychological terms, the elementals are your subconscious controlling your thoughts and actions until you smack them into obedience

>>24537977
Your mind is capable of some weird things. The placebo effect is so strong it had to be carefully accounted for in medical tests. I knew someone with disassociative identity disorder and the "main" person needed prescription glasses to do basically anything but some of the personalities in there could read without them and I know they were prescription lenses because I tried them on.
The level of control your mind can have over your senses and body in general is quite shocking. I operate under the assumption that occult types are mostly working to use ritual and whatever other mumbo jumbo to convince themselves that a thing is possible. If you were fully convinced astral travel is not only possible but the typical result of an elaborate procedure then you might well experience it.

>>24541833
Now you're mixing shit up, "astral travel" is not the same as "you can understand clearly what's written on a piece of paper, hence you don't need glasses".
You can't be convinced that you can "fly", but you can be convinced of things working in the realms of the possible reality. Like, you can stop eating like a fucking pig, and wake up earlier.

>>24541857
>"astral travel" is not the same as "you can understand clearly what's written on a piece of paper, hence you don't need glasses".
I'm operating under the assumption that astral travel is entirely a sense experience and you do not in fact travel anywhere.

>>24532393
You say that as if there is a blanket of low IQ hiding something potent and meaningful. What an absurd thing to say, anyone believing you should be committed. There is nothing at all to see on /x/.

Only high IQ people can make religion work without it causing insanity.

>>24541970
nigga i could give two shits if you catch on or dont

>>24541864
This is just reminding me of early forums and spending time as a teen reading trip reports and dream journals on some lucid dreaming board (luciddreams.net or something).
95% of people just came to discuss their lucid dreams or lack. But then there was that 5% that was working on ESP and astral travel.
A few claimed sincerely that they had succeeded in it. But the general experience was
>the astral realm looks just like the normal realm but odd colors and its more an impression (ie internal memory/model) of normality more than anything.
>limited people claimed to go to some cosmic library or whatever, never had anything to say about it
>general consensus was that it was all an extremely vivid and stable waking lucid dream with considerable intentional preparation but not Real real.
It was a bit disappointing.

There were more convincing reports of successful ESP type stuff. Always wondered if that had actual validity or it was schizo teenagers imagining they could read minds or do remote viewing.
>odds its a compulsive liar far outweigh odds its legit sadly

>>24525548 (OP)
Highly recommend styxhexenhammer666s occult works.

https://tarlwarwick.wordpress.com/2016/10/13/academic-and-occult-history-books-for-sale/

Other modern authors shove a lot of tranny cult shit into their translations and interpretations

>>24541833
Yeah psychology is terrifying
Look at trannies

>>24542350
>not Real real
It's more Real than real, hylic

>>24532405
really like swami saraswati, got meditations from the tantras and yoga and kriya

>>24525548 (OP)
Israel Regardie - The Golden Dawn
If you want it all, you can go to /x/omg/ when its up and look or ask for Temple of Solomon or PG torrent link. Massive ebook library with books of all relevant occult streams save for christian esotericism

>>24543135
all praise Regardie for leaking the tech

>>24544014
>>24544014
Golden Dawn is essentially just chaos magic of an imagined occult based off weak victorian era scholarship into esoterica not to mention the founding document itself being a forgery.

Thelema and Golden Dawn are as much new religious movements as Wicca and Scientology.

Tl;dr: the "tech" ain't ancient as claimed or time tested at all

>>24541970
there are insightful posts on /x/, but they're few and far in between. It must be the noisiest board on the entire website. You can find good posts there but not good threads. No matter the thread some schizolarper will shit it up.

>>24536043
my god this is incredible. tied up (and re-tied) so many obscure loose ends of mine, all in the span of half an hour. i am hooked

>>24525548 (OP)
if you're also into herbalism and pharmacology, check out dale pendell's "pharmako/poeia"

https://www.survivorlibrary.com/library/dale-pendell-pharmako-poeia.pdf

>>24544147
>Golden Dawn is essentially just chaos magic
Category error. Read more before giving an opinion.

>>24544360
>occult retard in denial
They may not use chaos as a meta-paradigm but they made up their own shit same way as chaotes and you ignored larger point which was
Thelema and Golden Dawn are as much new religious movements as Wicca and Scientology.
Many people get a lot out of all these systems. But it is a red flag imo as per theosophy when it involves these erroneous historical claims which are disproved by every reputable scholar even if occultists are too lazy and stupid as readers to realize.

>>24544414
If you wish to send arrows, make sure they are sharp, and not dulled by generalities and sloppy thinking. Or you could cite Hylics who have zero clue about the matter.
>Thelema and Golden Dawn are as much new religious movements as Wicca and Scientology.
Lmao tripping on 101

>>24544433
>muh hylics
Ya. Occult retard. Sorry about your lack of critical thinking. Hopefully you're young and will develop more frontal cortex soon and that'll save you.

>>24544447
I'll have to wait until I'm 25 to make informed decisions based on what Pixels tell me.

>>24544456
Well. I certainly spoke loosely. Forgive me. I shouldn't be lazy w tongue even on fourchins.

But the cipher document is almost certainly a forgery. But then again, rosicrucian manifestoes may also be said to be a hoax. All I can say is at least I personally don't believe in an immortal Christian Rosenkreutz. Or Golden Dawn's legitimation claim.

Golden Dawn is rooted in tradition. To some degree. At least compared to chaos magic. Moreso than Thelema or Wicca prolly. Even so. The mixing together of everything with no rhyme or reason is anti-traditional in my estimation. Also one cannot deny that the costumes and tools and rituals all have a distinct feel of larpiness when thrown together.

I tend to avoid everything from that cultic milieu so too speak. Early 20th c occult scene. It's inspiring in some ways. But there is a naivete to it.

>>24544545
I am not going to contradict the ophidic theme of backstabbing and speaking from both sides of the mouth to occultism. It is a part of the system of competing egos unfortunately. But to say that the Golden Dawn did not transmit techniques from antiquity is on its face an elementary mistake. Say what you want about Mathers, but he lived half his life in a library extracting keys which have been vindicated with later scholarship, putting aside his peculiarities.
Now onto the specifics of the creation of GD, Mathers claims instruction from Secret Chiefs. Others claim it was just scholarship on his part. And again others like Kenneth Grant say the Secret Chiefs moved onto Crowley as the podcast host, having found Mathers as wanting in the intellectual department. Many side to this argument. Some have weight; others don't. The potency of the argument unfortunately depends on your position, as you have acknowledged. In any case, I appreciate the dance.

>>24544699
Thanks. You have been an elegant dialogue partner despite our disagreement.

I think the (post?)modern occultist should spend their own time in the libraries of classical texts instead of modern figures but I will admit I got my start with some of the popular modern figures mentioned in this thread.

I do try to prosletyze on rare ocassions in favor of the ancient and premodern and a less syncretic form of esoteric tradition as you may have surmised however. Especially given the abundance of recent scholarship which makes it much more accesible than ever before. But different strokes. I find them more potent personally.

>>24544861
I appreciate the kind words.You are on the right track, should you show some restraint in your bulldogging. Yes, there are schizos. And yes, they are initiates (Marie de France, Dante, Goethe). And yes they are state agents running diddy ops for exoteric reasons.
To finish, yes google books etc is a volcano of information.

>>24543065
Never succeeded on it myself. Did get one wild little trip out of it then hid from what I found.
Just reporting a distant echo from days sadly past when the internet was its true self.
But you have my attention to recommend one thing I must read.

>>24525554
Damn so true bestie

happy bday to unc

>>24525548 (OP)
if you can read about it in a book you bought on amazon, is it occult knowledge?
a wise man once told me, that it is not just the information but the ritual which teaches one to know something
you can read about it all you want ... but you may not actually know it
does that make sense?
think about love, sex, etc. a virgin can read about it all they want but until they experience it they will not truly know it for anything but a fantasy and an ideal

>>24531719
>>24531738
>>24532385
>>24541833
Good posts

>>24540724
Well, yes, all magic is “magic”, and it’s something to enforce, or to reinforce. It’s all art. The mind’s eye. A sleight of view or perception. This extends to ignorance and religion. Cults.

>>24540824
It was clearly an Ayy sage.

>>24547511
No, bad posts!

>>24547513
>all entities are ayys
Maybe. I don't think so. Term is soiled somewhat firstly by popular shows like x files which have somewhat mundane takes on aliens. Something like what Vallee proposes is more nuanced but ultimately not even conventional ETs in his hypotheses but ultraterrestrials. Some even say hyperobjects or the fanged noumena of the uber umwelt. Universe black on black. But anyway. Why exactly are spirits unbelievable? Too old fashioned? Too religious? What if there are multiple types of entities moreover?? NHIs sure. Maybe even linked fo UAPs. But ETs and UFOs? Less likely than alternatives actually if you really examine things.
>muh mind's eye
Somewhat true but that sort of talk lends itself to quackery to some degree. You gotta be grounded in objective reality. There are real truths and lessons to be learnt in occult. And the forces involved are much larger than an individual mind although I suppose some say the all is a universal mind...

>>24548363
>Maybe. I don't think so
Going by basic logic it’s hard to avoid. Existence is more alien than not.

>>24549275
You talking lil green men in tincan spaceships? I don't think that's logical at all

Faster than light speed travel is more or less fantasy to the best of our knowledge. Life also seems incredibly rare in the universe. Much less intelligent life

I am partial to Grant's theory that perhaps aliens can perhaps communicate psychicly in ftl manner tho

But why would you assume these are physical aliens then if purely psychicly perceived entities?

But even if so, once again, I see angels and demons and fae and ghosts and the like to be far better explanation as well as far more useful as classification scheme for practitioners...

Bump

>>24525548 (OP)
Occultism is just secretive and esoteric bullshit.
Alchemical research is occult.
Scrying methods are occult.
Rune chucking is occult.
Chaos Magic is occult.
Gnosticism is occult.
So you REALLY need some kind of qualifier for what flavor of occult you are looking for.

Look niggas, actual occultist here (left hand pather).
First off, many of you have given valid and interesting points about these practices ITT, but the reality is that the occult is real, and if you're made for it the path will choose you and you will get instructions on what to do via synchronicities.
I recommend Crowley's works, Damien Echols' books, the Tao te ching, Jodorowsky's books, Lords of the Left Hand Path by Stephen E. Flowers, The Satanic Bible by LaVey and The Black Pillar (don't remember the author). I also would rec books on the Fraternitas Saturni and Gigi Young's Youtube channel.
Lastly, I wouldn't unironically wish the occult path on my worst enemy, because this shit will completely destroy your life and your identity and will force you to change if you want to survive your initiations. Any true path seems to be about facing all of your fears, and that is insanely difficult to do.
Research and review anything which piques your curiosity and don't restrict yourselves to only light or dark practices. Peace, niggas.

>>24531738
I did not know that about Tolkien. Neat.

>>24551016
>lhp
>meme authors
Weewoooweewooo! Faggot alert!!!

>>24552108
His essays on art and alchemy and fairytales explain his magical views rather well. Can be found online

>>24552466
So what is your path like? Semen drinking on Mount Tibet?

>>24552551
>what is your path like?
Theurgy and theoria and contemplation of ancient texts
>... semen drinking on Mountain Tibet
Isn't that the literal definition of LHP? You're awful dumb, faggot

>>24552551
>Semen drinking
We know you do this

>>24525548 (OP)
Thee Psychick Bible by Genesis P-Orridge is a favorite of my library. It builds off the framework of Chaos Magick from Spare, and provides a decent explaination thereof. It's moreso a good jumping off point providing a great reading list, as well as an appendix in the second edition discussing the fine workings of Thee Temple of Psychick Youth.

Uncle Aleister is useful to familiarize oneself with as well to build an understanding of how things work. Bonus points for reading books like The Tao Te Ching.

>>24553911
He gets sodomized by discord mods to open up the draconian current in his asshole

>>24552479
Yeah he knew the power of art/mind.

>>24525830
Why?

>>24526677
He wants the occult, not attempts at neo-spiritualism. What he needs are some deliriants like datura; things that increase the drip of cortisol into his bloodstream so he can confront the things that disturb him in a state that makes those things "real"... Just my two cents though. I find that reading something postmodern like Naked Lunch or House of Leaves really sets the mood for what I'm about to experience, although proper dosing is much trickier. I can't count the number of times I've ended up in a hospital bed over messing that up, so I sincerely hope that OP is conscientious of how much he consumes if he decides to go that route.

Tl;DR If horror movies are more your speed OP, go for deliriants, not psychedelics. Personally, I see it as a much more engaging experience (albeit not for the faint of heart).

>>24551016
...If the OP is of a more uhh-- "pale" complexion, I think a lot of the O9A's literature might be worth looking into if he intends on genuinely pursuing the LHP. The Sevenfold Way is where it's at on that front, not to mention grade tests, insight roles, and the fact that you also get esoteric 4D chess in the form of the Star Game. It's pretty peak all things considered.

>>24525548 (OP)
Unironically Read the Bible, New Testament.

>>24526576
Read Kant first before exploring occult. Otherwise you will just end up as no better than any other dogmatic.

>>24556408
But datura can easily kill you, anon.
O9A seems like a pretty extreme cult, my version of LHP is doing what comes to me naturally through spiritual pressure. The path itself guides your actions.

hm

>>24556971
This or you'll end up like

Why do retards want there to be more to the occult than the mind? Do they not see how fucking powerful blind belief, faith, is already?

>>24558195
Mind is not all powerful. And the occult usually involves forces larger than and outside of the (individual at least) mind.

It's a very modernist take to say it's all in your head... placebos can be powerful but not as much as real pharmakon yakennit???

>just believe! Doesn't matter what :^)
Also a delusional modernist take that lends itself to solipsistic ego masturbation

>>24556993
>spiritual pressure
Anon expand on this plz

>>24558266
You are actually retarded. What is magic is precisely a psychological angle to begin with. It’s all Art.

People like Tolkien and Moore know this.

External phenomena isn’t the factor that makes something magic or special. It’s a way of looking at something that makes it special.

>>24558266
>It's a very modernist take to say it's all in your head...
Probably because only a modernist looks at things like religion and holds it as an object in his mind. Storytelling drives man forward, for better or for worse. Belief is a tool. Faith has never required truth. To be a blind believer in the occult is submitting to its spell. You’re a target for magicians.

>>24559372
Tolkien believed in larger than human divine powers, he believes in God for pete's sake. Pretty sure you can easily find some sources that say he believed in angels and faeries as well. Admittedly, Moore is a degenerate postmodern chaos magician but that is why he is a childish philosopher and writer in comparison. Irregardless. You are the true retard. QED

Not to mention, using the term mind in general is an especially foolish modernist take. Do you mean spirit or soul? Such terms are larger than the mind in most traditions. The spirit connects to breath and to wider world around us. The soul encompasses both body and mind and extends into enviros.

Even within a chaos type system, most magic involves an almost animistic / shamanistic theory of sympathy. Moreover, the contents of mind must usually be externalized somehow to produce best effects.

Anyway. Not all beliefs are equal. Fake gods are not as good as real gods. Some beliefs are more accurate maps of reality than others. And faith for faith's sake is precisely the folly fall of the first arcana of the tarot.

>>24559422
>And faith for faith's sake is precisely the folly fall of the first arcana of the tarot
fuck it we ball

>>24559394
You're a target for your own mind which you have elevated to a mad magician godking for some reason (but only in your own mind).

>>24559428
Reality exists whether you believe in it or not -- NDT quoting PKD

>>24559438
the leap of faith is the first step

>>24559459
Watch out for gravity

>>24559463
Gravitas. Levitas.

>>24559422
Tolkien wasn’t an idiot, like you.

God wouldn’t consider Himself God, the way everything is just Song to Eru, or how Gandalf isn’t a wizard back home in Valinor, or how the elves don’t see themselves as magical beings, or how the machines of Mordor are seen as sorcery, or black magic.

He knew that magic was enchantment. Nothing more.

If you don’t get this, then you’re an idiot.

>>24559422
Moore believe magic is Art the same way Tolkien did. He’s closer to the truth than you’ll ever be.

>>24559471
Don't shoot your trigun out

>>24559484
The elves are magic.
>or how the machines of Mordor are seen as sorcery, or black magic.
No they aren’t you fucking liar.

>>24559484
Magic is a term derived from the persian magi supposedly. But also perhaps related to magis and magister in Latin meaning more and one who has more knowledge like a teacher.
>God wouldn't consider Himself God
You need to read more theology and philosophy, probably the bible too, instead of all this pulp fantasy and comic books, bro...
>>24559494
All practical knowledge is art and science in certain measures. I'd say it's like phronesis. Sophrosyne. Gnosis and noesis too.

I dunno why you would be butthurt by saying it's not totally in your head. It's in your head yes. But only to some degree. And also others heads. Possible head of world spirit and other spirit critters too. Or just nonhuman heads from plants to animals to ayys.

Not to mention, don't you have to make something external outside your head for it to be art? A melody in a head is nothing until it is recorded or played.

Peter Carroll talks about smthn like this as a cautionary tale. Like beware thinking its all in your head and obsessing over astral while irl you are huffing farts in your own basement.

Honestly, however, I can dig up articles where Tolkien professes beliefs in angels and faeries if you doubt me.

Moore is a bit more silly. But ya. Great art has always been full of occultural themes. But that is not the whole of occultism. Even so. I do not doubt that Moore talks to discarnate entities on the astral myself. He may believe them purely his imagination. I would disagree. Whatever

The practices are more than art in sense of like paintbrush or instrument. And I think discarnate entities are a pretty necessary postulate.

Jung started his active imagination as purely psychological feat but ended convinced Philemon was a daimon or a spiritual entity.

>>24525548 (OP)
>>24525559
Read the Universal Line documents by John Paolucci
https://pastebin.com/7hBDK5Qn
drive.google.com/drive/folders/1X9dB7eDI5RcHOBvixGjAhZ_lgJjJIhGq
You're welcome

>>24559521
I've got unlimited ammo bro. Don't worry about my riffs.

>>24559179
You literally feel pressure in your head, your stomach and to a lesser degree your muscular structure, and aside from that, you get intense adversity in life which can make progress in any way impossible (you really don't wanna fight with God over the next step to take). The objective of all this terrible shit happening to you is to make you release control and do some of the things which you are suggested to do via synchronicity, and that is for you to lose the obsession of keeping power. Ironically, the more you cling to dominance the more you are vulnerable to getting triggered by the many bad actors, haters and tragedies which will happen to you if you refuse to change, while if you voluntarily forsake some control of your life to God you will stop being reactive and triggered by the things that are out of your control.

>>24559545
>all this religious nonsense
You’re compromised.

>>24559527
Magic is purest psychology. The mind's eye. It's a way of looking at the world. Magic to one is not magic to another. It is the birth of religion. It is personal. What is wizardry to the witneser may not be magic to the wizard. That wizard either sees what they do as magic, or they don't. Their bar for magic could be completely different.

If it's no longer seen as magic, ask yourself what made it magic in the first place. That of wonder and mystery, "I wonder...", etc.

Tolkien demonstrates this well. The elves don't see what they do as magic. They’re not magical beings to themselves. Their works and doings aren’t enchanting to themselves. They're too used to it. It's just art to them. It only enchants men and hobbits. The elves look to the Maia, or “wizards”, the same way men and hobbits look to the elves. Enigmas. The bar for magic is higher for the elves than it is for men. Magic is a bar.

Gandalf goes out of his way to enchant. To inspire. To guide. It's his role. Being a magician is this station. A situation. It's putting on the pointy hat. He doesn't go out of his way to abuse. He doesn’t start cults like Sauron. He only chalks it up to himself. To nature. To the ingenuity of the races (he calls opening a dwarf door a spell). He’s a stage magician purely. Gandalf uses blackpowder for beautiful enchanting displays of fireworks to bring joy and inspire laughter. Saruman uses blackpower as a terrible power in industrial warfare.

Tolkien called this “enchantment”. That of being enchanted by something to the point of seeing it as magic. There’s also a dark side to this, like this Sauron, who, again, goes out of his way to weaponize ignorance to start cults and spread fear.

>>24559545
>Jung started his active imagination as purely psychological feat but ended convinced Philemon was a daimon or a spiritual entity.

But would that “daimon” or spiritual entity consider itself one? This is the point you are missing in the image in >>24531719

Assuming God would see Himself as a true God, is silly. Would He see His capital-m Miracles as truly capital-m Miraculous to Himself? Of course not. It extends to any other higher beings, even one’s lower. It’s relative.

>>24559545
While you need external phenomena to reinforce the “magic”, the same way the ancients looking to the night sky saw the stars as the gods, the external phenomena itself isn’t the “magic”. The chemistry in the brain leading up to that perception is. “Magic”. That’s the beauty of it. It’s in the world. It lies within the mind’s eye. Magic is love and appreciation for beauty and mystery. Wonder. It’s the recipe for it. It is what births religion. It is what drives us into the unknown. That sensation a biologist feels when they discover a new form of deep sea life? That’s magic. Even if they don’t use or interpret the word that way. Same as how miracles are magic by any other name. The bishops and priests saw the irony as an okay and accepted one. Even science today is indistinguishable from magic, wizardry, in areas. The wizardly trope or stereotype is built from ancient astrologer-priest and natural philosopher and hermetic alchemist (etc) aesthetics, which all led up to modern day science.

You don’t need much for magic. “I know something you don’t know!”. “I can do something you can’t do!”. The sage is the wizard and the wizard is the magician.

>>24560936
Many famous magicians were religious. Agrippa! Levi! Peladan!

>>24560966
>Ayys
Spiritual beings are not ayys. Ayys are merely one of many appearances of spiritual beings. If you look into ufo reports, you will find they are certainly not physical aliens in x files sense. That is why Vallee posits that they are extradimensional. Or Madden says they are part of uber umwelt.

If you ever meet a shaman moreover, he will tell you he talks to animal and plant spirits. Spirits of ancestors and the dead. Demons and angels or however he describes celestial and cthonic entities as well. Even nature spirits of the seemingly less animate. Surely these are not all ayys either?

>gandalf
Literally shoots fireballs at wargs. Also. Morherfucker. Stop using fiction to describe reality. They ain't the same.

>magic ain't magic
I mean kinda? It's a very historically fraught term really. So I understand wanting to get away from it. But it also has a casual use and more technical use which I find useful for describing what is not simply psychology imho but almost like a super psychology or integral psychological science in a sense...

>I don't understand God blah blah blah
God cannot be compared to lower beings and there is no higher

And irregardless we are at our human station where magic has a specific meaning linked to development of occult as counter-enlightenment type thing. As well as linked to ancient practices likely rooted in shamanism.

>>24560980
This was kinda what I was getting at w etymology of magic as word.

But I would still say, it's bigger than your mind. And entities can often know things the individual mind of magician does not...

But anyway sorry for if comments come off as aggressive. I get carried away when posting on this site sometimes. Particularly when feeling misunderstood

>>24561065
In short, I would say that yes there is in principle nothing unscientific or antiscientific about "magic" per se. Some people define magic and miracles as irruptions of impossible but I am not attached to that definition. As Asimov says, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. And one might say vice reversa is true as well. The connections between magic and art are undeniable as well. In fact, iirc, many have described magic as the supreme art.

That said, magic goes against the scientific orthodoxy of our days by positing a spiritual realm and spiritual entities. Calling these purely products of one's mind or ayyylmaos seems to me an attempt to kowtow to scientific orthodoxy by giving a pseudo scientific scifi veneer to such things. This strikes me as both dishonest and inaccurate as description of experience as well. I say this as someone w much experience in occult and esoterica.


That said, if ayys exist. And advanced tech too. That would explain magic to some degree.

But given current scientific knowledge, it seems unlikely that ayys would be able to breathe our atmosphere and adapt to our gravity... then again, Kenneth Grant says they communicate psychicly across great distances and I guess that is possible too.

Nevertheless, I think considering everything placebo or mind based is foolish and even to some degree may hamstring a serious magical practice.

>>24561065
>Spiritual beings are not ayys. Ayys are merely one of many appearances of spiritual beings.
Ayy stands for alien. They’re alien. Even God is more alien than not.

>>24561902
Alien technically means other. As in outside of self which would certainly include mind. In common parlance it refers to ETs. Seems you are being both pedantic and wrong.

>>24561907
Okay so you agree with me. Even Europeans were alien to Native Americans for a time. This is all exposure logic. God would not be a God to Himself, and His capital-m Miracles aren’t capital-m Miraculous to Himself.

But that’s beside the point, which is that God predates his Creation, and He is transcendent and larger than it, the terrestrial sphere. He is by definition an extraterrestrial sourced to higher dimensions.

To the Physicist, God is a godlike alien of higher dimensions, which different perceptions of spacetime to account for His “I have always been” status.

As much as Christians hate being told that God is an alien, they cannot avoid it. Alien doesn’t mean little green men in flying saucers. It just means alien. God is a massive Mystery even to His subjects.

Believing in gods is technically a variant of believing in aliens to begin with.

>>24561408
>That said, magic goes against the scientific orthodoxy of our days by positing a spiritual realm and spiritual entities.
Not really. To physicalists they’d just be different lifeforms, sourced to exotic physics. Science is just a way of looking at the world, the same way religion is a way of looking at the world.

>>24561065
>Literally shoots fireballs at wargs.

It’s not magic to Gandalf is the point. It’s magic to you. Same way the elves aren’t magical to themselves.

Please re-look at the image in >>24560966 as it’s a quote directly from Tolkien.

>I mean kinda?
Not kinda. It’s literal. Magic to one is not magic to another. Magic has always been “magic”. There’s definitely a recipe for it, though. Mystery and wonder and a deep sensation for the unknown/unknowable.

> Also. Morherfucker. Stop using fiction to describe reality. They ain't the same.

One. Language.

Two. There are limits even to fiction. You can’t, for instance, create a fiction without math or causality. It’s impossible. It’s why stories are a thing at all.

>>24561065
>God cannot be compared to lower beings and there is no higher
>there is no higher
So you’re assuming that God is the Root of All. It’s possible that existence is an intelligence, but we cannot be sure. The idea that we’re all specks of a larger than life Being is very possible.

See the whole Pantheism or Panentheism debate. It’s one of God’s intimacy with Creation. Our existence as we know it could be a sliver of his Being.

>>24561065
>Even nature spirits of the seemingly less animate. Surely these are not all ayys either?
They’re alien to us, our senses. The way the elves are alien to men, not the world.

Ok. I think you are using unclear language. Like calling God alien makes most think of ufo space brother new age religion. It also recalls in a more academic register Hans Jonas and his studies on Gnosticism.

I am not huge fan of term of magic. I prefer mysticism. But is common. Esp in a certain context such as alluded by OP.

Elves may not consider it magic but they still use term of magic when talking to lower beings, no?

>>24561961
>I am not huge fan of term of magic. I prefer mysticism.
They’re literally the same thing. Religion is indistinguishable from magic and all religion has mysticism to it. All religion is a mystery. Faith has never required truth. That’s counterproductive to it. Words like the occult, the esoteric, the arcane, etc, all denote much the same essence. That of hiddenness, mystery, initiation, secret information, etc.

>>24561961
>Elves may not consider it magic but they still use term of magic when talking to lower beings, no?

Galadriel is confused by Sam when he uses the word. She understands why he uses the word, though. They aren’t atheist scum who shame you for seeing wonder and beauty within nature. They’re no different from gnostics. Pic related.

>>24561961
Gandalf’s mission is to act as a sagely figure, or “wizard”, so he does out of his way to don the sagely bearded guise to better guide (but not become a crutch) for the lesser races. He will call what he does “magic” and “spells”, because that’s more or less the case of it. He may as well be a wizard for the same reasons the elves may as well be magical. Because they’re enigmas.

The elves don’t call what they do magic, though. Similar to how everything to God, or Eru, is just Song/Music, the same way physics/nature was ‘the music of the spheres’ to people like Tolkien, comparing it to a divine symphony.

>>24562003
goes* out of his way

>>24562003
>the same way physics/nature was ‘the music of the spheres’ to people like Tolkien, comparing it to a divine symphony.
Einstein also saw it this way. He saw science as musical and he said he would have been a composer had he not been a physicist.

>>24562010
Einstein was a sage.

>>24525548 (OP)
Receive a vajrayana empowerment

>>24555975
Occultists believe power comes from hiddenness; they won't share it with you. Ultimately, occultism is the worship of experience over believing in good or evil which is idiotic because then experience is good and the categories good and evil are evil. They are either useful idiots for satanists or hamless larpers for crystal stores. Moreover, your average Catholic priest or a Catholic in a state of grace is more powerful than every occultist combined. They're absolute losers and their master, the devil, is a confused sod whose addicted to his own pain.

>>24545345
This. Practice > theory. Better to properly seek 1-2 books that teach you to do a certain thing properly, like astrology, and then do it

Bump

>>24563815
Or you know, you can believe in both, transcendental-realism

>>24528657
Okay, okay I am getting it. (You) are the 3rd eye chakra, riding the throat charka riding a giant black nigga eating Egypt moon runes. Of course everything fits.

>>24525548 (OP)
Try finding Summa Sacrae Magicae, it's a good starting point and regarding "occult" and "knowledge" probably one of the most foundational ones

>>24566178
What's the sickest magick you've ever magicked?

>>24526197
I went to a Waldorf school, I maintain that Steiner was like a flapjack genius where he'd alternate from being prescient to completely hilariously wrong with machine precision.

>>24526236
This is the most embarassingly obvious "I've never read anything on this subject" post I've ever seen.

>>24566185
Not experienced much desu, but performed Headless ritual (probably fucked it up somehow) and my dog died the very same day under pretty strange circumstances, if someone gonna end up doing some sort of PGM things, proceed with caution, if any of this works better do it right

>>24525548 (OP)
You've probably read it because it's quite entry level but I found Prometheus Rising pretty interesting

>>24566217
That sucks, anon. Sorry to hear about the dog. What was the headless ritual supposed to do for you if it worked as intended?

>>24566263
K&C of the HGA

>>24563815
You do realize that Christian fires are indistinguishable from witchcraft right?

>>24567114
>fires
rites* in general

>>24567114
>n-n-no uuuu!
Idjit

>>24528657
What are the prerequisites for reading this picture?

>>24567342
Getting sodomized by an elderly nonce

>>24567352
How come I can't read it then?

>>24567381
Keep initiating further

>>24525548 (OP)
Kill yourself you fucking faggot

>>24534433
Very dangerous recommendations if one does not have Jewish blood. Beware, Aryans - if you fuck around with Jewish magic, you won't live well. Nor long. Nor ever be in a sound state of mind.

>>24567846
Lol. Yes. Have fun consorting w your demons, ((jew)). Look how much fun sabbatean frankists have right?

Liber ABA, liber E, liber O
Tree of Life by Regardie
Corpus Hermeticum
White Goddess Robert graves
3 books by Agrippa
Arbatel
Gateways through light and shadow
Picatrix
Abramelin
Tao Te Ching/ AND The WAY of Changes\
BhagavdGita/ https://devdutt.com/rama-sutra/ KamaSutra

I will say easily, A TRUE Master mage IS ALWAYS staying Close to God and TRUE to himself/herself
Working W God. AND you won't get sucked into the lower self, UNLESS THAT IS your Intent
Left-hand pathers are Nowhere Near Masters, it's mimicry. AT Best, BUT simultaneously YOUR Path IS Your Path TRUE Occultists are IN this thread,
I can tell By suggested reads/ I would say The
Picatrix
Albuni will be suggested, proceed w caution
Sufism-oriented books and lore
Antoine Court de gebelin
https://sacred-texts.com/egy/woe/woe08.htm
hermetic tablets
https://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/theses/1658/
Modern Magick Donald micheal Craig
Angels Companions In Magick by Silverravenwolf
Enochian Magick by Aleister Crowley
The book of magic/ Abremelin The Mage/ SAr Tora Praxis
MANY more to name, your Path IS, your path, we ALL have our Own, Don't let ANYONE tell you What IS your TRUTH, but you... READ everything, don't ingest everything,(USE discernment), but educate yourself ON everything nonetheless

>>24567114
This honestly

>Come partake of the flesh and blood of some dead guy at his temple, or burn in hell for all eternity

How is that not a devil's cult?

>>24567911
I'm not Jewish - I'm warning all non-Jews to not fall prey to nasty Jewish/Hebrew magic. Frankists and whatnot led horrible lives - and that is WITH compatible hardware - imagine how much worse non-Jewish souls fare when practising such dark arts.

>>24568126
>reductio ad absurdum
Kys, faggot

>>24568389
Kek bro, frankism is an obvious satanic cult insider role O9A type beat done back in the 12th century, it doesn't have anything to do with jewish conspiracies

>>24528518
Learning AI math? for what?

>>24568489
You missed my point entirely.

>>24540743
It'll probably make you understand control of people, which will make you understand how to do it in your circumstance

>We should call this completely unrelated thing magic because we just should.

>>24568666
>magic had a specific meaning in the premodern world
>reeeeee y kant I cast fireballs like my modern fantasy stories!!!
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>>24568666
Well, I mean, even MATH was seen as magic for thousands of years, all the way back to Pythagoras and his numerical cults, and all the way up to Isaac Newton and his obsession with sacred geometry. If math can be seen as magic, then why not anything else? Natural sciences were seen as natural magic, once.

Magic is in the world. The capital-w wizard sees it all around. They see why something is seen as magic. They see things greater than themselves. The capital-w wizard often won’t see themselves as a capital-wizard, similar to how God wouldn’t consider his miracles to be capital-m miraculous. They are capital-h humble figures.

>>24528276
...not to a jew

>>24525548 (OP)
Stick with the Platonists. Theurgy/divine magic > summoning demons and other chaotic shit.

>>24525554
He's a wojak poster, he's obviously not candid in the least.

>>24568389
The list is influenced by Jewish Kabbalah, however the GD tradition itself is Christian.
You should do your homework before making assumptions.

>>24569064
basado

>>24569064
>Theurgy/divine magic > summoning demons and other chaotic shit.

Some would argue that theurgia and goeteia are the same.

>>24569706
It’s all aliens.

bumpa

The above anon is correct. It’s all in the head, the mind’s eye, and blind belief is a horrific power. The ability to hold it like an object is what priests and cult leaders do.

no u

>blind belief is a horrific power
*guitar solo*

>>24525548 (OP)
Don't.

>>24567114
There's a sliver of truth that spiritual forces have a component of our cooperation but this just uses the word witchcraft willy nilly.
>>24568126
>Come partake of the flesh and blood of some dead guy at his temple, or burn in hell for all eternity
You can be saved without ever having ate the Eucharist. Salvation is something you do with your heart by truly loving; part of the issue is people want to know without loving or love without knowing. It sure seems many desire damnation but also I'm willing to say that many are too confused to know.

>>24567342
https://www.sciencedirect.com/org/science/article/pii/S0859992019000198

>>24532585
nothing more faggot than the multiple-response-prone anon
just pick one you bbclover

Is this shit still here?

>>24574535
Shepherding fools is powerful, yes.

>>24576029
Fools go their own way. Everyone else follows the well-trodden path set before them by the state.