Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:44:57 AM No.24525679
Why does modern academia worship science, then reject and suppress scientific racism?
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:35:36 PM No.24525728
>>24525679 (OP)
Modernity worships science because it values what it sees as cold, objective results, i.e. something that appears neutral, authoritative, and beyond dispute. The word "science" itself carries weight, so people want to stop there and treat it as the final word.
But scientific racism goes a step further: it introduces a value system. It doesn't just describe empirical findings; it ranks and discriminates based on them. And the moment you're ranking human groups, you're no longer just doing science; you're making assumptions and turning descriptive claims into prescriptive ones. So even if it uses scientific language, it's already built on a worldview.
This is how modern academia justifies its rejection of scientific racism: not because it rejects science, but because it sees scientific racism as a political interpretation dressed up in scientific terms. The irony, of course, is that all science is built on a particular worldview; only some are more visible or less fashionable than others.
Modernity worships science because it values what it sees as cold, objective results, i.e. something that appears neutral, authoritative, and beyond dispute. The word "science" itself carries weight, so people want to stop there and treat it as the final word.
But scientific racism goes a step further: it introduces a value system. It doesn't just describe empirical findings; it ranks and discriminates based on them. And the moment you're ranking human groups, you're no longer just doing science; you're making assumptions and turning descriptive claims into prescriptive ones. So even if it uses scientific language, it's already built on a worldview.
This is how modern academia justifies its rejection of scientific racism: not because it rejects science, but because it sees scientific racism as a political interpretation dressed up in scientific terms. The irony, of course, is that all science is built on a particular worldview; only some are more visible or less fashionable than others.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:49:09 PM No.24525745
>>24525679 (OP)
read Foucault order of things, you will realise How science itself is a constructed and contested discourse
>inb4 fundamental physical laws
No I am talking about Human centric sciences like medical sciences, biology, genetics, neuroscience etc
read Foucault order of things, you will realise How science itself is a constructed and contested discourse
>inb4 fundamental physical laws
No I am talking about Human centric sciences like medical sciences, biology, genetics, neuroscience etc
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:56:33 PM No.24525756
>>24525679 (OP)
Obviously because they don't want a repeat of the historical crimes of racism including slavery lynching and discrimination. Not to mention the fact that it's completely soulless to reduce individual human worth to a number on a weird abstract reasoning test, as if a black mother lovingly holding her son in her arms at a neighbourhood bbq is somehow "wrong" or "evil" because she scores lower on an IQ test.
Obviously because they don't want a repeat of the historical crimes of racism including slavery lynching and discrimination. Not to mention the fact that it's completely soulless to reduce individual human worth to a number on a weird abstract reasoning test, as if a black mother lovingly holding her son in her arms at a neighbourhood bbq is somehow "wrong" or "evil" because she scores lower on an IQ test.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:59:42 PM No.24525761
>>24525756
Why would slavery be racebased entirely. The other 2 I can get.
Why would slavery be racebased entirely. The other 2 I can get.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:04:08 PM No.24525766
>>24525761
Well because scientific racism is fallacious they take the fact that if you group blacks and whites in different groups then compute the average the whites score higher. Then they conclude from that that race is the determining factor. But obviously this completely ignores all the white people who score low and black people who score high. If we're going to determine who's superior or inferior based on IQ we can group people by IQ, which will make the two groups (inferior and superior) multi racial. Instead they focus on race and just try to associate the high scoring black people with the low scoring.
Well because scientific racism is fallacious they take the fact that if you group blacks and whites in different groups then compute the average the whites score higher. Then they conclude from that that race is the determining factor. But obviously this completely ignores all the white people who score low and black people who score high. If we're going to determine who's superior or inferior based on IQ we can group people by IQ, which will make the two groups (inferior and superior) multi racial. Instead they focus on race and just try to associate the high scoring black people with the low scoring.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:07:49 PM No.24525768
>>24525766
Yes I understand that but you dont need all of that to enslave people. You need to differentiate between races if you want to lynch others or if you want to discriminate in general, you dont need it for slavery or circumstances resembling slavery.
Yes I understand that but you dont need all of that to enslave people. You need to differentiate between races if you want to lynch others or if you want to discriminate in general, you dont need it for slavery or circumstances resembling slavery.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:09:02 PM No.24525769
>>24525768
True but I'm saying scientific racism is associated historically with slavery and academics are fearful of that reemerging, not that it's logically necessarily connected with slavery (you can be a scientific racist who doesn't support slavery)
True but I'm saying scientific racism is associated historically with slavery and academics are fearful of that reemerging, not that it's logically necessarily connected with slavery (you can be a scientific racist who doesn't support slavery)
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:10:20 PM No.24525770
>>24525769
I understand but im just saying that slavery reemerging will not be impeded by that drive of theirs.
I understand but im just saying that slavery reemerging will not be impeded by that drive of theirs.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:25:58 PM No.24527049
>>24525728
>The irony, of course, is that all science is built on a particular worldview; only some are more visible or less fashionable than others.
Right.
>>24525756
>Obviously because they don't want a repeat of the historical crimes of racism including slavery lynching and discrimination.
I think this takes the prize for the dumbest thing I've seen all day. Slavery and lynching can exist with or without racial discrimination. Anyone who is killed by mob violence for any reason is lynched.
As for discrimination, this is absolutely done the most by people who claim to oppose what they see as racism. If they took their own words seriously, they would have to oppose the person they see in the mirror rather than projecting their own thoughts on others. The politically correct and woke are truly some of the most wretched people I have ever met, bar none.
>>24525768
>You need to differentiate between races if you want to lynch others
No you don't dude wow. Where did you go to school? Did you graduate? Lynching happens anytime a mob kills someone outside of the law. People have been lynched for non-racial reasons all the time. You must really be historically illiterate, brainwashed or both to be this dumb to think that. I'm actually dealing with people who unironically think the word "lynch" can only apply to black people. Wow -- what complete and utter retards.
>The irony, of course, is that all science is built on a particular worldview; only some are more visible or less fashionable than others.
Right.
>>24525756
>Obviously because they don't want a repeat of the historical crimes of racism including slavery lynching and discrimination.
I think this takes the prize for the dumbest thing I've seen all day. Slavery and lynching can exist with or without racial discrimination. Anyone who is killed by mob violence for any reason is lynched.
As for discrimination, this is absolutely done the most by people who claim to oppose what they see as racism. If they took their own words seriously, they would have to oppose the person they see in the mirror rather than projecting their own thoughts on others. The politically correct and woke are truly some of the most wretched people I have ever met, bar none.
>>24525768
>You need to differentiate between races if you want to lynch others
No you don't dude wow. Where did you go to school? Did you graduate? Lynching happens anytime a mob kills someone outside of the law. People have been lynched for non-racial reasons all the time. You must really be historically illiterate, brainwashed or both to be this dumb to think that. I'm actually dealing with people who unironically think the word "lynch" can only apply to black people. Wow -- what complete and utter retards.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:27:57 PM No.24527056
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:27:58 PM No.24527057
>>24527049
>DUDE DID YOU KNOW LYNCHING CAN HAPPEN FOR NON RACIAL REASONS TOO
Yeah, thats not the point in this context is it
>DUDE DID YOU KNOW LYNCHING CAN HAPPEN FOR NON RACIAL REASONS TOO
Yeah, thats not the point in this context is it
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:29:31 PM No.24527063
>>24525679 (OP)
Science has "advanced" to the point that there is always a methodological error, always a quirk of statistics, and always a confounding correlation that wasn't correctly mitigated (socioeconomic factors!), and so any paper they don't like is wrong. Also, any paper they really don't like is denied/failed in a peer review, which in its state of unreviewedness is super-wrong.
Science has "advanced" to the point that there is always a methodological error, always a quirk of statistics, and always a confounding correlation that wasn't correctly mitigated (socioeconomic factors!), and so any paper they don't like is wrong. Also, any paper they really don't like is denied/failed in a peer review, which in its state of unreviewedness is super-wrong.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:36:14 PM No.24527075
>>24527057
The goal of "ending racism" isn't going to somehow magically stop lynching, like the other person was saying. Lynching is not a purely racial phenomenon. The same goal isn't going to stop slavery or discrimination on the basis of other factors. It's downright amazing this even has to be explained.
Not only that, but the people who claim to be fighting what they call racism are actually increasing the amount of racial discrimination now. Look at Ivy League schools in the U.S. that were forced to stop affirmative action due to a new Supreme Court decision. They must either be the most racist institutions in the country or else their goal of "fighting racism" has nothing to do with ending discrimination but actually promoting it.
The goal of "ending racism" isn't going to somehow magically stop lynching, like the other person was saying. Lynching is not a purely racial phenomenon. The same goal isn't going to stop slavery or discrimination on the basis of other factors. It's downright amazing this even has to be explained.
Not only that, but the people who claim to be fighting what they call racism are actually increasing the amount of racial discrimination now. Look at Ivy League schools in the U.S. that were forced to stop affirmative action due to a new Supreme Court decision. They must either be the most racist institutions in the country or else their goal of "fighting racism" has nothing to do with ending discrimination but actually promoting it.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:42:32 PM No.24527088
>>24527075
Academics do it for moral reasons, they think this information will be abused, plus they themselves are uncomfortable with it because they are committed to the social equality of races based on moral principles. What is the point in bringing up non racial violence or lynchings?
Academics do it for moral reasons, they think this information will be abused, plus they themselves are uncomfortable with it because they are committed to the social equality of races based on moral principles. What is the point in bringing up non racial violence or lynchings?
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:03:23 PM No.24527153
>>24525679 (OP)
Basically because it would lead to a sense of justified collective racial discrimination because the masses do not judge on individual levels and would obviously interpret the result as there being inferior/superior races.
Basically because it would lead to a sense of justified collective racial discrimination because the masses do not judge on individual levels and would obviously interpret the result as there being inferior/superior races.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:21:35 PM No.24527213
>>24525679 (OP)
Why do white supremacists worship IQ, then reject and suppress IQ statistics?
Why do white supremacists worship IQ, then reject and suppress IQ statistics?
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:22:36 PM No.24527216
>>24525679 (OP)
>>24525679 (OP)
Why do white supremacists worship IQ, then reject and suppress IQ statistics?
>>24525679 (OP)
Why do white supremacists worship IQ, then reject and suppress IQ statistics?
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:22:57 PM No.24527218
>>24525769
academics accuse others of paranoia because they are the most paranoid. a textbook example of Freudian projection. "conspiracy theorists" are "wackadoodle" but don't you dare say they aren't your betters in terms of intellectual forecasting. Allan Bloom I think pointed this out and got shit for it.
academics accuse others of paranoia because they are the most paranoid. a textbook example of Freudian projection. "conspiracy theorists" are "wackadoodle" but don't you dare say they aren't your betters in terms of intellectual forecasting. Allan Bloom I think pointed this out and got shit for it.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:24:57 PM No.24527229
>>24525679 (OP)
>then reject and suppress scientific racism?
It doesn't, it just accepts that it is stupid and impossible to support.
>then reject and suppress scientific racism?
It doesn't, it just accepts that it is stupid and impossible to support.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:28:52 PM No.24527246
>>24527216
Nobody argues this. We deny that it gives a duplicitous minority without our interests at heart the right to maintain covert cultural chokeholds in our own homelands. They can all go to Israel with their 115 average and get no further outside support if it‘s such an übermensch societal foundation.
Nobody argues this. We deny that it gives a duplicitous minority without our interests at heart the right to maintain covert cultural chokeholds in our own homelands. They can all go to Israel with their 115 average and get no further outside support if it‘s such an übermensch societal foundation.