Dune PLOT HOLE found! - /lit/ (#24527558) [Archived: 472 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/7/2025, 12:30:18 AM No.24527558
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>”do you accept?”
>”no im good.”

It was literally that simple. Was Duke Leto just fucking stupid?

“Hey do you want a planet that will make you direct enemies with house Harkonnen? They are insanely wealthy have vast resources and are incredibly cruel. It’s actually very likely they’ll come and kill you”. “Gee that sounds great. Obviously this isn’t a set up from the emperor. I’ll take it”. Does no one else realize how insane this whole set up is?
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 12:31:25 AM No.24527560
>>24527558 (OP)
not related to your point but I really disliked Books 5 and especially Book 6. I've read fantasy genreslop and it was miles better than that boring tedious shit
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 1:13:43 AM No.24527667
we've already had this thread. downvoted.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 1:31:42 AM No.24527711
>>24527558 (OP)
Would you rather the harkonnens to do battle with or the entirety of the empire? It was a case of damned if he did and damned if he didnt. He knew what was at stake.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 1:33:16 AM No.24527713
>>24527558 (OP)
>All you have to do is have a Daughter so that Sting can fuck the living shit out of Female Kyle McLaughlan and solve the universe's problems
>HAS A FUCKING SON

It would have been that simple.

Hey…Maybe Sting *can boy breed* Kyle.
!ew4B6gxEuk
7/7/2025, 5:40:41 AM No.24528301
800 pages of DUNE just to read the kino that is DUNE: MESSIAH. Is it worth it? Also I got like 80 pages into Children of Dune and it's not that I didn't like it (I've heard lots of times it's the worst book in the series but I didn't quite feel that way) but at that time I was burnt tf out on Dune and I dnf'd it. I just bought a used copy of Children however so I'll read it soon-ish I guess.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 8:19:00 AM No.24528531
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>>24527558 (OP)
But what would'st've happeneded if he said "No.", perforce?
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 9:03:25 AM No.24528570
>>24527558 (OP)
If he says no, his house will be purged for treason against the Emperor
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 9:04:44 AM No.24528572
>>24527558 (OP)
This isn't /tv/, sir.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 10:43:28 AM No.24528702
>>24527558 (OP)
You obviously only watched the movie, and are larping as /lit/tard. It's explained in a monolog on the first few pages.
But speaking of the new movies, why did Bardem make sure to excessively drink beer during the shooting if he was playing a dried up lean desert warrior leader? His face looks like they could squeeze it and get enough moisture to drown a worm in. I saw him on TV the other day and the guy is fit and healthy again. WTF were they thinking.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 11:08:05 AM No.24528732
>>24527558 (OP)
>no im good
>okay then you're disobeying a direct (and reasonable) order. Do you want to be tortured to death next week or the week after?
The only other possibility would've been fleeing, but that would've served the emperor's (if not the harkoonen's) goals perfectly
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 11:11:31 AM No.24528736
>>24527558 (OP)
>Was Duke Leto just fucking stupid?
Arrakis gets rotated between Houses constantly, so that no one house can get too comfortable there and monopolize the Spice. It being transferred is not a big deal in itself, it's not Arrakis being given over to Atreides that makes Harkonnens hate them, they were mortal enemies for generations prior to that (tho we don't know why exactly beyond "Harkonnens are angry tards"). It's a big deal in this particular case because - as the book spells out verbatim - transfer of holdings is moment of greatest vulnerability for any House, and Leto knows that his conflict with Harkonnens and the Emperor is at it's peak, so they are blatantly using the transfer as an opportunity to make Atreides vulnerable for a moment and harm them.

Leto literally spells out that he knows it's a trap and explains this to his advisors. His mistake was in expecting Harkonnens and the Emperor to try and undermine him with kanly and sabotage, so that either he and his line die to assassins or he fails to fulfill the spice quotas, which damages the CHOAM profits, which makes every House in Landsraad really pissed at Leto, destroying him as a parliamentary threat to Corrinos. His plan was getting ready for kanly with his household guard and achieving record Spice yields through collaborating with the Fremen, which would massively boost CHOAM profits and finally make Leto way more popular than Shaddam, at which point his House would seize the throne bloodlessly through earnest support of most of the other Houses, the Emperor's attempt to humiliate Atreides backfiring and ending up elevating them instead. He was playing the long quiet game where he wins by being more competent and agreeable than Shaddam, without ever entering a direct confrontation.

His failure was in not realizing that the Emperor knows he can't win the long game, and is therefore desperate enough to secretly give the Harkonnen his Sardaukars and just greenlight an open Harkonnen attack.

He cannot refuse the Arrakis because refusing a direct (and more importantly, traditional) order of the Emperor would escalate the conflict to an open confrontation and then even with his popularity in the Landsraad most Houses would prefer to sit out an open war against the throne seemingly started for the Atreides' right to not do the job all houses are reasonably expected to do (run Arrakis for a while). So he'd be left alone against both Harkonnens and Corrino, and gotten curbstomped just as he did in the actual plot, only Shaddam doesn't even need to hide his involvement, he'd be rightfully putting down a rebellious vassal.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 11:16:40 AM No.24528742
>>24528702
Yeah out of all the retarded changes they made to the book that one probably pissed me off the most. Dude looks like a schlubby office worker not a fremen who's been fighting for his life for decades. Same thing with zendaya but at least that kind of makes sense because sex sells
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 11:20:33 AM No.24528746
>>24528736
>It being transferred is not a big deal in itself
In the specific case of the atreides it is, the emperor was giving permanent ownership rights to the atreides. The harkoonens only had mining rights (which let them hold onto geidi prime) but the atreides were forced to move entirely
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 11:27:58 AM No.24528756
>>24528746
>the emperor was giving permanent ownership rights to the atreides
Was he? I don't remember that.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 11:45:06 AM No.24528776
>>24528756
The second page of my PDF
>Thufir Hawat, his father's Master of Assassins, had. explained it: their mortal enemies, the Harkonnens, had been on Arrakis eighty years, holding the planet in quasi-fief under a CHOAM Company contract to mine the geriatric spice, melange. Now the Harkonnens were leaving to be replaced by the House of Atreides in fief-complete -- an apparent victory for the Duke Leto. Yet, Hawat had said, this appearance contained the deadliest peril
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 11:52:25 AM No.24528781
>>24528776
Ah, right. Though I did not interpret that as Arrakis being given over to Atreides in permanence - only that they'd have a more prominent presence on the planet.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 12:15:31 PM No.24528805
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>>24527558 (OP)
>just say no to a direct order of the emperor of the known universe, it's not like he commands legions of fanatic supersoldiers and already hates you