Thread 24532519 - /lit/ [Archived: 456 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:55:53 PM No.24532519
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>in taming of the shrew kate is the one who tames petruccio
>her final speech is her advising women how to rule absolutely, while feigning obedience
was he onto something here?
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:36:27 AM No.24532574
>>24532519 (OP)
No, he was just a Jew who couldn't stand traditional morality.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:30:59 AM No.24532913
>>24532519 (OP)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti1Oh9imI8I
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:49:56 AM No.24532951
>>24532519 (OP)
They tamed each other. That's what marriage is for.
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7/9/2025, 8:26:55 PM No.24534672
Thats right
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 10:21:32 PM No.24535106
>>24532519 (OP)
Nope, rare Bloom L. He was too much of a sensitive secular humanist + frothing Shakespeare fan to really bear the bard's horrendous misogyny here.

All those dumb feministic bitches who play this play as ironic just piss me off, akin to every other hackish misprision performance of Shakespeare.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 10:26:22 PM No.24535125
>>24532913
>>24535106
This performance nails it.

The structuring irony of the play is that a cantankerous shrew, once "broken," becomes as aggressively and boldly submissive as she was once a harridan, that "froward" women are potentially the most submissive and ultimately the most womanly.

It's delectable, probably a truth standing to this day. The rage of women is less often about true injustice or the natural order of things than about the fact that there are so few men really deserving of the name, fit to rule.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 10:44:21 PM No.24535179
>>24532519 (OP)
His entire rationale is: "Well it‘s so over the top. It simply *must* be satire."

Besides being a remarkably poor foundation in the first place, I was watching the Peter Saccio Great Courses lectures the other day where he goes into detail about how Shakespeare never did and never would have anywhere near such an extended monologue intending subversion without the character elsewhere signaling their real design either to another character or to the audience. Good series.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 10:59:24 PM No.24535235
>>24532519 (OP)
If this was real it would have been a cool twist, but people in Shakespear's day laughed at Willy for sounding like a misogynistic incel
For example, the guy who collaborated with Shakespeare wrote a sequel called "The Tamer Tamed" where Petruccio is forced to become a better man. I think this guy just loved the bard so he did not admit he had flaws as a man. It happens sometimes that minorities heroworship rather than demonize Europeans
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 11:06:55 PM No.24535259
>>24535235
Bloom complains about The Merchant of Venice a lot.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 11:14:56 PM No.24535286
>>24535259
He's not gonna laud for Shakespeare trotting out anti-semitic stereotypes. Though IIRC he kind of softballs him in accord with the relative nuance of hte play. I mean, shit, he's still Shakespeare. I read somewhere that Jews are overrepresented in every political movement that does not essentially exclude or go against Jews (i.e.: left and right wing). And even then, there is the occasional self-hating Jew, like that American Nazi party guy. So it's that kind of thing.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 11:19:11 PM No.24535301
>>24535259
It's mainly because /pol/tards use Shylock as a slur. If the antisemites thought Shy was too sympathetic I'm sure Bloom would have forgiven him too. I wish there was some nuance between the fatty women's studies majors who rip up Shakey's works and bardolatry
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 11:37:02 PM No.24535358
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was this really needed?
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 11:43:39 PM No.24535380
>>24535358
He was partially right. Shylock was a based sandnog who tried to take out a degenerate pederast and was stopped by the whore
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 11:50:46 PM No.24535406
Who is the best Shakespeare scholar to read that isn't pozzed? There has to be more than Bloom and Johnson in 400 years
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 12:44:05 AM No.24535588
>>24532519 (OP)
The only way for a woman like Kate to win is if she went to a nunnery. She would be free from sex with men and actually able to reach a position of power
>>24532574
Jews created traditional morality
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 12:47:59 AM No.24535601
>>24535406
Fun fact: Shakespeare was the second most-performed playwright in the Third Reich, only behind Schiller. I‘m sure there‘s some interesting scholarship there which has been memory-holed but I haven‘t yet reached it.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 1:17:23 AM No.24535685
>>24535601
That is very intriguing
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 1:24:28 AM No.24535701
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>>24535601
I tried every combination of prompt but these are gone from the clearweb it seems, if they even existed and weren't just Jews inventing seethe
Anonymouṡ
7/10/2025, 2:01:44 AM No.24535804
>>24535601
If the Third Reich wanted to fit Shakespeare into their worldview then I would have thought Henry V would be a good place to start.

HENRY V (William Shakespeare)
— France gets uppity, sends H. insulting gift of tennis balls
— Hmm, time to go over there and show them what's what

HENRY V (Wilhelm Schütteltspeer)
— France gets uppity, punishes German vindictively after WWI
— Hmm, time to go over there and show them what's what
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:07:56 AM No.24535810
Test
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:37:44 AM No.24535879
bloom eliot
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>>24535358
He was an eternal seether.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:38:45 AM No.24535883
bloom cantos
bloom cantos
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>>24535879
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:43:20 AM No.24535889
>>24535883
someone post the opening to his *gnostic* novel