What advantages does this theory offer to you?

>>24532732 (OP)
Better Spirituality

Philosophy is important, offering a better alternative of reality in itself, broaden the level of consciousness which can offer you easier wealth, money, and a happier life.

>>24532732 (OP)
When you preview the world from a limited perspective everything is limited and harder the more you learn the better your life can be

Abstraction (Induction): From these accumulated experiences of particulars, the mind performs a process of induction. This is where the intellect abstracts the common essence or universal form from multiple individual instances. For instance, by observing many different individual humans, we abstract the universal concept of "humanity" or "human being" – what makes a human a human.

>>24532732 (OP)
Nothing. its an overhyped section that has no philosophical weight compared to his interesting notions

>>24532732 (OP)

>>24532759
Brown hands typed this

>>24532732 (OP)
The most valuable thing a man can have.
A smug sense of superiority over other men.

>>24532783
superiority doesn't matter

>>24532772
I'm actually very pale. would you like me to list some of his ideas way more philosophically relevent and meaningful then le reddits obsession with
>PLAYDOES CABE!!!!
What about the trivartum soul? or the debate with thrasmacyus? or the story of er from the afterlife? the euthryro argument? ALL these deserve more attention then the cave, which is a low point in plato's bibliography. Kick rocks, lol.

>>24532795
you don't have

>>24532732 (OP)
It's not a "theory."

>>24532741
>>24532754
AI slop.

>>24532762
Fake quote.

>>24532795
The cave literally spells out what Socrates is doing in the whole Republic in condensed form. Does the philosopher in the cave actually try to get everyone else out, or do they recognize the danger and do something else with the shadows? The only interlocutor in the Republic who turns to philosophy is Polemarchus. For everyone else, it's something instructive with the images, and therefore things like the debate with Thrasymachus, the tripartite soul, the myth of Er, have to be reevaluated with the cave in mind.

>>24532841
you are a retard

>>24532849
>you are a retard

>>24532914

>>24532841
>The cave literally spells out what Socrates is doing in the whole Republic in condensed form.
does it? i honestly felt like it was mid, i dont know, i prefered the back and forth debates way more, and other sections still. I maintain its overhyped in importance to be honest.

>>24533319
Consider the opening words of the whole dialogue, "I went down," "kataben." A "katabasis" is a journey to the the underworld, but here, instead of the underworld, Socrates visits the Piraeus, a bastion of democratic sentiment in Athens. The cave itself is fundamentally a political image, describing from the beginning the situation regarding our education, and this is emphasized in the cave image when the philosopher goes back down, and the prisoners are described as winning honors in a contest over who recognizes the shadows on the wall, with Justice being one of the shadows pointedly named. That contest itself matches up explicitly with the Thrasymachus argument, where Socrates sniffs out that he was arguing in order to win honor and reputation for his speeches about justice and injustice.

As far as the contents of the Republic needing to be qualified or reevaluated goes, there are different signs throughout, but the three most evident would be 1) a critique of poetry followed a few books later by descriptions of philosophic activity using predominantly poetic images (the sun, the divided line, the cave), 2) an insistence to Glaucon twice that there's a longer harder road toward understanding things like the soul or virtue or being, and that what is actually discussed is only a shortcut and not the full matter itself, and 3) Socrates' insistence that he only has an opinion about the Good, not knowledge, which is immediately overlooked or forgotten when he subsequently gives a stirring account of what the Good might be like. There are other little signs that something distorted is going on (Eros, *the* philosophical passion of soul in Symposium and Phaedrus, and the only subject Socrates insists he knows about in those two dialogues but also Lysis, Theages, and Charmides, is denigrated in the Republic, reduced to a simple appetite for sex, and associated with the tyrant; the principle "one man, one art," and the demand for precise speech throughout, as well as the Forms being associated with speech, plus the mathematical education, are all sourced from *Thrasymachus* who demands precise speech in book I), and the cave is an opportunity for reorientation.

The dialectical passages are still worthwhile, but they may mean something different if Socrates isn't speaking so frankly on account of everyone else being unable or unwilling to even start to see things as he sees them. Socrates sometimes makes suggestions meant to be ridiculed by his interlocutors in order to draw them in, such as the original first city in speech, what Galucon dismisses in book II as the "city of pigs."

>>24533785
...yeah that just seems schozophrenic to me, i read the republic twice and this is just seeing shit where theres nothing to be seen, im sorry, it is

>>24532732 (OP) It is the same message repeated by philosophers, Saints and Sages throughout the ages. Every now and then someone comes to remember us that this world is illusory. Most people don't get it.

>>24534261
There's nothing "schizo" about it. Plato doesn't just do this here, he does it in the Phaedo (modeled off of the myth of Theseus saving the 14 youths from being sacrificed to the minotaur) and the Protagoras (wherein Callias' home full of sophists is likened to an explicit descent to Hades modeled specifically off of book 11 from the Odyssey). Katabasis (from which the first word kataben is derived) was regularly associated with descents into the underworld, such as those of Odysseus, Heracles, and Orpheus. And in the Republic's case, the cave image lines up perfectly with both the frame of the whole dialogue (the opening being a descent to Piraeus, which literally means "beyond-land", and the closing being the myth of Er, a myth pertaining to the underworld and Hades), and why the arguments of the dialogue are severely qualified.

I think you're letting yourself be filtered by what suppose Plato is capable of as an author. He wasn't unaware when he wrote Socrates banning mixed poetry in the city of the Republic that the text of the Republic itself was the same mixed type, and he didn't miss how in his Phaedo, while Socrates denigrates embodied life and sex more harshly than in any dialogue, that he had also just written Socrates' wife with their toddler leaving, and that he wrote of himself that he was home taking care of himself due to an illness.

>>24534402
i will just be completely straight with you: i am diagnosed autistic, seriously, and resfuse on principle to ever, EVER, see such extrapolations from text. I always read as directly literally as possible, If an author speaks in code I will not read them, like Joyce. So maybe you're right, but I literally am not allowed by my own rules to see it.

>be plato
>discover pattern recognition
>but dude muh theory of forms
>look inside
>pattern recognition with extra steps
I can't anything this retard said seriously.

>>24534992
Hm, curious. Well, consider another piece of linguistic evidence, the repetition of three terms nearby each other in such a way that it's extraordinarily unusual.

>*I went down* (kataben) yesterday to the Piraeus with Glaucon, son of Ariston, to pay my devotions to the Goddess, and also because I wished to *observe* (theasasthai) how they would conduct the festival, since this was its inauguration. I thought the procession of the citizens very *beautiful* (kale), but it was no better than the show made by the marching of the Thracian contingent.

Compare with the return to the cave later:

>*Down you must go* (katabateon), then, each in their turn, to the habitation of the others and accustom yourselves to the *observation* (theasasthai) of the obscure things there. For once habituated you will discern them infinitely better than the dwellers there, and you will know what each of the ‘idols’ is and whereof it is a semblance, because you have seen the true nature of things *beautiful* (kalon), just and good.

As for reading Plato, he does appear to give his own suggestion in the Phaedrus 263e-264e, if he abided by that standard of good writing laid out there.

Why do AI jeets love Plato so much?
Are pajeets mass-RETVRNING to perennialism? Will we get a Christian Indian pope?