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>TQ
STANNIS! STANNIS! STANNIS!
Tolkien
Wolfe
>>24534351>tfw just realised the au in his name refers to gold
>>24533296Damn, he is literally me. I often turn on music that i think suits the tone of the scene i write. This gives legit boost to my own immersion.
>>24534356Then why aren't the silvers called Aggies?
>>24534291>I've heard people talk about Erikson irl>I've yet to meet someone who knows who Wolfe or Bakker are outside of these threads or my book club that I convinced to read Shadow of the TorturerI find that extremely odd.
>>24534378Seethe Darrow. Chaddius fucked your horse before you did.
Erikson is a canadian faggot.
>>24534381>implying fucking a whore is some kind of accomplishmentDarrow's cringe too. This is a Titus general.
See, the thing is, I'm just not going to read them
Haha
Ugggh I know I know sorry
But I'm never going to read these red rising books
Lol!
>>24534396They're both canadian faggots who write slop for other canadian faggots.
>>24534393Nah, Sevrochads run these threads.
>>24534412The only thing Sevro runs is Victra’s pussy when ordered to.
>>24534412Sevro is top 3 for sure but in order to be number 1 you have to understand the truth of Society: it's a rape or be raped kind of world.
>>24534351>>24534425Why do people draw Golds with such dark eyebrows? I know pale eyebrows look weird but surely there's a nice middleground
>>24533482>tagged LGBTIt doesn't have T right?
>>24534288 (OP)so does anyone post reviews in that /sffg/ group?
>>24534435I know this is going to sound stupid but I blame GOT/Dany.
>>24534440people in /sffg/ would have to read anything first
>>24534440Take it from the man himself.
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/22994324-2025#comment_284917051
>>24534412>>245344281. cassius
2. Darrow
3. Sevro
4. victra
5. horse
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>>24534435Think it's just an artistic decision. I'm blonde and my eyebrows are light and half the time you can't see them. I think them being darker is just to make expressions easier in art.
>>24534425>turning this down for a whorseDarrow is fucking crazy. At least Sevro benefitted from trickle down banging
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Why can't Anthony Ryan ever write a good series when the first books are usually pretty good?
>>24534470Now that is some good art. Who drew this, and why isn't it on that fuckass wiki?
>>24534490Same guy who did this
https://www.instagram.com/eldanmarkart
>>24534496Some of them dudes lookin ZESTY
>>24534456goodreads group reads
>>24534456There's a few anons reading Red Rising at this very moment, probably because of the shilling. Which series should we shill next?
>>24534496very hit or miss it seems. some gems in there, though.
>>24534517>Which series should we shill next?I finished Rage of Dragons and have no one to talk to about it.
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FUCK he is good
>>24534534That is literally Riddick
>>24534569No one cares China you tankie faggot. Blog somewhere else.
Does Glen Cook reign supreme
>>24534569>SwanwickFuck that failed attempt at making Jack Vance postmodern.
>>24534581as kids today would say, he COOKS
>>24534582Iron Dragon’s Daughter was recommended to me by an anon
>>24534575Well Diesel is a black man after all
>>24534288 (OP)I know this is straying into /tv/ world, but is anyone else excited about Project Hail Mary being made into a movie? They did a pretty damn good job with The Martian that I really feel hopeful about this adaptation as well. Also more Andy Weir recommendations! Artemis was solid, though not as good as the two mentioned above. Has anyone else read more of his works?
>>24530952>>24530952>>24530952relinking this important question
>>24534569I really liked The City & The City, but god Mieville is so obnoxious.
This passage does remind me of some fantasy authors I've meant to catch up on, though.
>>24534589I'm an anon and I don't recommend it.
>>24534610martian was mid
>>24534581>Glen Cookhere's steven erikson talking about the genius of Cook with the black company's opening pages
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEkFYuAQHvc
>>24534440Yeah there are you just gotta look up books in the groups bookshelf to find people to add bc Goodreads' layout sucks ass
>>24534569I hope these books get tariffed
>>24534661okay Bob the Builder
who are the best american sffg authors right now
>>24534766Brandon Sanderson
>>24534733It's a very evocative opening.
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>>24534766I don't know about the best but Reed is certainly a favorite of mine. With a wide catalog (300+ stories) and more sold to Asimov's SF than any other author (maintains a consistent high level of quality), you can surely find something that you like from the man.
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>>24534797>writes a successful YA novel in his 20s and isn't a gross slobYou just know this dude has slayed fangirl pussy for the last decade. A rare feat for authors.
>>24534806>ywn fuck a girl in a victra cosplay that's throwing it at you after comic con
>>24534797He had that tumblr ass sitting on his face what a great author
>>24534817You didn't need to wound me like this
>>24534440https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/21679684-reviewers
Huh, it's been over two years since I updated this. Maybe I should again sometime.
Other than that
https://www.goodreads.com/group/bookshelf/1029811-sffg
Type in the book in the search bar or look through the list.
>>24534797I understand it now. People only like Red Rising because they want to fuck Pierce Brown
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>>24534806Sounds like Bakkerchad
>>24534797Cassius if he real
>>24534832I liked it in spite of his looks actually. I legitimately hate how his publisher plastered his face all over the backs of the first three books. Everytime I leave the book laying down, he's staring into my soul.
>>24534766>another thinly-veiled excuse to asslick <current popular tradpub YA series>
>>24534381Is that even true? Cassius says so but Darrow seems to have lots of flashbacks to Mustang's flesh before their bone scene in Golden Son. It always confused me, especially since they were together for a year after book 1 before they split.
>>24534858I think it's absolutely implied that they were fucking on Luna.
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Did anyone read it? It won an award
>>24534914Awards these days are often anti-recommendations.
>>24534914https://www.goodreads.com/group/show_book/1029811-sffg?book_id=61884985
>>24534919Should I hazard why? Is it just going to be about politics?
>>24534914Author's name sounds brown. Shan't be reading it.
>>24534927Have you followed the likes of Hugo and Nebula for the last ten years or so? Only thing that's changed is you no longer have to be a black woman, but Chinese instead.
>>24534717frfr no caps bruh it do be mid yall
>>24534927Most are now written by women for women, which excludes most male readers, and we're almost all men here, so it doesn't tend to work out. Yes, the cultural orientation, not necessarily political, of many of the books also makes them less likely to be enjoyed.
>>24534933It’s been like this since the 60s. You lost, chud.
>>24534927kind of, because woke people have taken everything over so awards are given out based on what gives the committee the most brownie points on twitter, not based on merit
>>24534925Thanks. This was a great review. I’ll pick it up even if you see the second half as having short comings.
>>24534806>tfw I turn 32 next monthWhat the fuck am I waiting for? I gotta get writing.
>>24534950I linked the /sffg/ reviews, that just happened to be the the only one there. I didn't write it.
>>24534940facts that's what I'm saying bro hahaha
>>24534933Hypothetically, if I was a black man, would I have a chance, or would my penis disqualify me?
>>24534962You still have to write what they want to read regardless.
>>24534962No. Black male authors don't really write what gets nominated for these things.
>>24534966>>24534965You mean like fag shit? Because I refuse (hypothetically of course).
The only white guy winning a hugo/nebula is GRRM as a formality. Too bad Winds will never come out.
>>24534972Not necessarily fag shit, but you're gonna have to (hypothetically) write about being a minority in a white man's world or some other sappy shit. Faggotry would get you bonus points though.
Look up the synopsis of R.F. Kuang's most recent nebula winner, Babel. It only lost the Hugo because China blocked her when they hosted Worldcon.
>>24534973I refuse to continue reading Clash of Kings until that fat bastard finishes Winds. It seems so dumb to try to read any series that will never be finished.
I know GRRM says he has failsafes in place to make it so no one will finish his story after he dies, but you can't have that bullshit and then not finish it yourself. You're doing a disservice to your fans, and holding a story that means so much to so many people hostage because you're lazy, a coward, complacent, or all of the above.
>>24534973That's not true.
Let's look at the current Hugo nominees.
https://www.sfadb.com/Hugo_Awards_2025
Novel
Alien Clay, Adrian Tchaikovsky
The Ministry of Time, Kaliane Bradley
Service Model, Adrian Tchaikovsky
Someone You Can Build a Nest In, John Wiswell
A Sorceress Comes to Call, T. Kingfisher
The Tainted Cup, Robert Jackson Bennett
Mostly white males.
>>24534989wanna bet who's going to win it?
>>24534987are there any fan efforts to finish the books in his stead?
>>24534993What do you want to bet?
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>>24534989folded in pretzel position
>>24534994They would probably be ass. Who is someone qualified that could finish ASOIAF once GRRM dies? It can't be Sanderson again. He's too mormon. And too cringe.
>>24534994Yeah you might have heard of the popular television program "A Game of Thrones" which ran for eight seasons from 2011 to 2019
>>24535000It's Daniel Abraham forsure. Has a style similar to GRRM, worked with him, and shown he's willing to shill out by collabing to co-write the Expanse and then the TV Show. The Long Price series is really fucking good, it's my favorite.
>>24535001The first four seasons are some of my favorite seasons of television ever. I watch them once a year. It's the biggest shame that it couldn't stay consistently good or stick the landing.
>>24535007He probably already wrote the next two ASOIAF novels and has them in the vault.
>>24534994Preston Jacobs' fanfic project is ongoing, but it's hit or miss and it's all his crackpot theories. Some of the prose is decent (I really liked his Bran and Damphair chapters) but it's inconsistent and he adds random gay shit for no fucking reason. Like his group forgot all of the subtlety of the homosexual characters in the actual books and only remember them in the show. So your mileage may vary.
But the people who will probably finish the books is James S.A. Corey with Elio and Linda's assistance. Last year Elio said, 'the book is coming out, one way or another' while alluding to the possibility of George's death.
>>24535000i can overlook the prose not being as good if the plot is there.
>>24535001no i mean like fans of the books who actually like them and the characters doing it, not some hacks who just wanted to adapt the show because there were several books of material already written for them to pilfer and then intentionally end the show on a rushed shitty note because they were bored and thought they were about to get Star Wars money
>>24535007>>24535017The problem with that is that he's explicitly said that he won't do it.
https://winteriscoming.net/2020/12/30/expanse-author-rules-completing-song-ice-fire-george-r-r-martin
>>24535017>But the people who will probably finish the books is James S.A. Corey with Elio and Linda's assistance. Last year Elio said, 'the book is coming out, one way or another' while alluding to the possibility of George's death.interesting. very sad the fat man can't get out of his own way.
>>24535020Red Rising, Second Apocalypse, Wheel of Time, and etc generals when?
>>24535022They'd make a quarter of a billion dollars at the least. They wouldn't turn it down.
>>24535022sure he says that today while the fat fuck is still alive, what will he say a few years after GRRM kicks the bucket and the estate, the publisher and Warner Bros are all offering him truckloads of money to finish the books?
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>>24535022They would have accepted it before so
>>24535033last I checked /grrm/ has been nothing but jew talk for the last 2 or 3 threads
>>24535028yes let's just kick out all the series that anyone actually talks about
>>24535036i guess he's alluding to the awful finale basically killing the interest in the IP for all but the most diehard fans of the TV show?
>>24535035I read the first two chapters of Howling Dark after not really enjoying Empire off Silence. Seems more interesting finalyl.
>>24535039>we HAVE to have 24/7 revolving generals that refresh every other day to circlejerk the same handful of current year tradpub authors because I'm a <100IQ normalfag nigger who only reads one series>>24535036>>24535039>>24535041>>>/lit/grrm
>>24535030>George has given his estate strict instructions that no one is allowed to finish Ice and Fire for him. The publisher does not have the right to do this unilaterally.For precedent, refer to what Prachett's estate did.
>>24535039That's right. Vance and Wolfe only
>>24535047Warner Bros will sue the estate and the US government will overturn it for them so they can continue to make new Game of Thrones products
>>24535048>das rite da same authors over and over and over and over and over and over because I'm a <100IQ normalfag nigger who only reads one series>>24535047>>>/lit/grrm
>>24534766Tad Williams, cant believe he hasnt been mentioned yet. Guess this place is full of zoomers.
>>24534517I still haven't read BotNS so I might pick that next. I want to check out MST and Sun Eater too though.
Anyway I think I should get back to reading Golden Son.
>>24535028>malazan not mentionedErikson is truly king
>>24535042Howling Dark is masterful and the rest of the series maintains that standard. Like with Red Rising the first book is formulaic slop and the series gains its identity in the second. It's better than Red Rising though imo
>Cielcin
Why they do it, bros?
>>24535059Golden Son is the peak of red rising
>>24535053>-oomersTad is mentioned often in these threads, in fact he was brought up four times last thread, newfag.
Kharkanas is peak fantasy. Will be studied hundreds of years from today
>>24535073But there are like 5 books after it
>>24535071[spoilers]They were indoctrinated by Lovecraftian outer gods who are actually fallen angels[/spoiler]
>>24534989Gee, Tchaikovsky
how come you get to be nominated three times?
You have to remember that even if you've read the book, very few others have relatively, and never a majority have for literally anything.
>>24535085and they’re all good. Golden Son is just better
>>24535073>>24535085The series peaks at Golden Son but Light Bringer is a close second.
>>24535071Love how hard main character wants to research language and establish communications at the start, then as the series keeps going come to view them as just literal evil demons
>>24535073>>24535092>>24535095This explains why I couldn't put Golden Son down but am feeling a little disappointed with Morning Star
>>24535086Shit my phoneposting ass fatfingered the spoiler tag
>>24534989>https://www.sfadb.com/Hugo_Awards_2025is ANY of that shit worth checking out?
You have to realize that almost everyone will present their opinion as objective fact , which means you aren't allowed to disagree, let alone argue. If you try, it will only frustrate both those involved.
>>24535097Pierce had writer's block with Morning Star and it shows. Jackal's backstory of becoming a tyrant bc Nero never loved him was the most annoying pseudopsychological shit
>>24535097Morning Star is weaker but enjoyable in its own way
1. Golden Son
2. Dark Age/Lightbringer - can’t decide. They feel like one book to me
3. Iron Gold
4. Morning Star
5. Red Rising
Red God will overtake Golden Son. Trust the plan
>>24535111After watching PB develop for six books and seeing him recapture the heights of Golden Son in Light Bringer I'm trusting the plan, Red God will be peak
>>24535110Dark age spoilers Brown still doesn’t know what to do with the Jackal alter in the series with that fucking stupid clone twist. Hate it. Playing with a nature/nurture theme where it’s that he’s actually a good person but never got the chance to be :( cringe
>>24535097Morningstar is second worst in the series. Iron Gold, Lightbringer, and Dark Age are fantastic thoughever, so it all worked out.
>>24535097Morningstar felt rushed and cliche in too many parts, pacing was all over the place. Golden Son was pure kino
>>24535116would be based if he leaned into the Abomination being unable to really become Adrius--same DNA, different soul/mind--and instead aligning with Virginia
>>24535119I like Iron Gold's worldbuilding but like two things actually happened in that book. Morning Star flounders in the middle but pulls itself together by the end. I'd say they're about on equal ground, just for wildly different reasons
Like seriously the single narrator for a book with multiple first person POVs is really throwing me off this fucking sucks
>>24535116Dark age spoilers Brown still doesn’t know what to do with the Jackal alter in the series with that fucking stupid clone twist. Hate it. Playing with a nature/nurture theme where it’s that he’s actually a good person but never got the chance to be :( cringe
>>24535116here's what i want to happen with that plot
I would actually really like that plot if Pierce leans into the whole manipulated tyrant thing. Like imagine being that little bastard. You're not supposed to exist. You are a pale imitation of the original. You want your sister who is not truly your sister's approval and do all this fucked up shit to get to her only to have her try and kill you. your "mother" wants to fuck you because she wanted to fuck the original. you had no agency. no choice. i think faux jackal is going to have a redemption arc. I think it would be a mistake not to, really. You don't "resurrect" a villain like that just to do the same things with him. You do it only to do something different.
>>24535154>newfag can't quote
>24535158You will not get a (you) from me
>>24535153I forgot about Lilath and all that weirdness. Will be interesting
>>24535138I'm an Iron Gold enthusiast. But that's because I appreciate worldbuilding and the simple things. A lot happens in the first three. It was nice to just take a moment and sit in the world a bit. Ephraim heists. Lyria exploring luna. lysander and cassius exploring the rim. darrow freeing apollonius
It's a very comfy book.
>>24535172Ephraim is so based. His POVs were the best. I loved Iron Gold for the same reason as it gave the series the valuable world building it needed. One big criticism I had though was that it expected the readers to know who the fuck Apollonius was as there was a history between him and Darrow that we didn’t know. It was jarring trying to understand what was happening.
>>24535169>newfag can't quote and projects his need for YousThey mean nothing just like yourself, newfag nigger.
I would actually really like that plot if Pierce leans into the whole manipulated tyrant thing. Like imagine being that little bastard. You're not supposed to exist. You are a pale imitation of the original. You want your sister who is not truly your sister's approval and do all this fucked up shit to get to her only to have her try and kill you. your "mother" wants to fuck you because she wanted to fuck the original. you had no agency. no choice. i think faux jackal is going to have a redemption arc. I think it would be a mistake not to, really. You don't "resurrect" a villain like that just to do the same things with him. You do it only to do something different.
>>24535083What did you rike about it?
>>24535187Thanks for continuing to post about Red Rising! Every post you make in rage contributes to more discussions being had. Keep up the good work my goodman!
>>24535172It has its moments "My honor remains" but it's distractingly lowkey compared to the rest of the series. Yet there's too much intrigue for me to think of it as "comfy." I think I'd like it better if Darrow and/or Lysander got one more plot twist/thing to do.
Captcha: GPT2N
Red Rising author kinda had a mistake of rising to many plot threads without having a clue what to do with them
That's a mistake, sure. Books not perfect.
But I'dd much rather have the author try to fix this, by dropping those plot threads. Than keep going the wrong direction and ruin the series with endless bloat.
Which is kinda what we see happening in the last book, right?
I've seen a lot of people criticizing the author for dropping plot threads. And I'm like: "No, no! This is a good thing."
Mistakes was already made long ago, this is author course correcting
>>24535176I just accepted the Apollonius bits as part of the time jump. One of my guesses was that it was gonna be one of Tactus' brothers, but I thought it was gonna be the one we saw in Morning Star.
>>24535198i.e lyria parasite
that was so clearly a "fuck it, I don't wanna do this anymore" moment.
>>24535172>>24535138>Things dont... le happenWhat the fuck is this critique? I genuinely do not understand it, please explain this to my autistic brain.
>>24535198If you’re on about the abomination and parasite thing then yeah it feels dropped or at least being reworked.
> made the mistake of reading bakker
> then sanderson
Who am I reading next?
>>24535209Thanks for continuing to post about Red Rising! Every post you make in rage contributes to more discussions being had. Keep up the good work my goodman!
>>24535198I'll be surprised if the Jackal clone isn't in Red God. The only thread he's dropped was Figment, which was probably a good move, otherwise he'd have to spend hundreds more pages on Lyria
>almost 2/3rd to bump limit within 5 hours
This is well over Bakkerfag levels of spam.
>>24535225>discussion is spam
>>24535224the only issue with lyria is that she refuses to be interesting. like she literally had matteo surgically remove the only thing interesting about her. Her dynamic with cassius was cool.
>thread gets legitimate discussion
>bakkersimp 2/3s to a melty
say it ain't so
>>24535217My brother in christ I am genuinely asking. I loved Iron Gold because everything that did happen had ample foundation and followthrough. I don't understand this notion of wanting more to happen. Like do you want it to be a tv show with a cliffhanger at the end of every episode? I see this notion and I think 'adhd, zoomer, gay'.
>>24535225>anon sees non-dead general>loses his fucking mindkekuga
>>24535224>>24535228You guys are gonna look so silly when Lyria comes girlbossing in at the end to save Darrow using her Figment enhanced body.
>>24535209For me events in Iron Gold felt very small scale compared to Golden Son / Morning Star. All Darrow does in IG is free Apollonius and attack Venus, where the Ash Lord dies anticlimactically. That's like two actual plot events with hundreds of pages of Lysander playing politics, Lyria sperging, and Ephraim doing drugs and crime. It wasn't boring per se but none of it feels consequential until the end of the book.
>>24535239I'll take "shit that's not going to happen in Red God" for 800, Alex
sf masterworks have ugly spines :(
>>24535243>That's like two actual plot eventsYeah but it's two huge ass things. Running covert ops on a solar system scale isn't something that should be relegated to half a book it rightfully is a whole ass books worth of shit.
>none of it feels consequential until the end of the book.Hot take, that's a good thing.
>>24535233it's so funny how iron gold filtered so many people. it's the only book where lysander is tolerable.
As for why people complain about things not happening, I can't say it's ADHD, because I have severe ADHD and love that shit. Nothing better than a slow story where you get to get a good understanding of the world and characters. Maybe they don't love the characters as much as they love what happens to them.
I'd read a whole book of Darrow, Sevro, and Cassius hanging out for a day, doing nothing.
>>24535251>Maybe they don't love the characters as much as they love what happens to them.Fucking grim. This does not bode well for society or something.
>>24535231>if you don't like x you like y!>>24535234>non-dead>omg if a thread doesn't move lightning fast with multiple bump limits a day I'm going to lose my mind!<newfag buzzword>
>>24535251>I'd read a whole book of Darrow, Sevro, and Cassius hanging out for a day, doing nothing. Same, just like those scenes where the three of them rewatch institute footage. It was great and I loved it.
>>24535251>I'd read a whole book of Darrow, Sevro, and Cassius hanging out for a day, doing nothing. Same, just like those scenes where the three of them rewatch institute footage. It was great and I loved it.
>>24535228>Lyria refuses to be interestingYeah the opinion I've heard is that she gets it removed so her heroics are really her own, but that breaks down because nobody else would have done what she did to the Red Hand, Figment or not.
Also it's pretty curious that twice in two books PB has broken a Red girl-Gold knight relationship by killing off the Gold knight. Cassius's was rough but Alexandar's death still pisses me off
>>24535266Just bros being bros. Three dudes in an estate room sitting ass to cheek cuz theyre not gay.
>>24535270Alexander died for absolutely fucking nothing and it's frankly a massive blotch on an otherwise good book.
https://strawpoll.com/xVg71JoOOyr
>>24535250>That's a good thingDefensible but IG still hangs around the middle of the series in terms of enjoyment for me
>>24535273You’re missing iron gold
>>24535273I'm going to shove a copy of iron gold so far up your ass that you'll be dreaming of Ephraim.
>>24535206That's exactly what I mean.
So obvious dropping it is gonna seems a bit dumb. IE; "What was the point of all that? lol"
But I'dd much rather get it over and done with, then the author can focus on the stories he actually want to tell
>>24535270>>24535271We were robbed of the arcos cleganebowl with those two fucking PIECE OF SHIT LYSANDER
>>24535271Yeah that was pure GRRMesque "we're killing the character you love just to farm investment via rage"
In his best moments, PB is better than this. he's dead as fuck to quote Abercrombie but I'm hoping Alexandar somehow survived, House Arcos deserves better
>>24535282fuuuuUUUUUUUUUUUUCK I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT OF THAT
>>24535282Every fucking book Lysander is like "I gotta do something terrible for the greater good" and I'm on board until a change of plans results in him killing a character I like
>>24535284>lorn>his entire family>his grandchildren>alexander>his sonhouse arcos… I will avenge thee
>>24535212>>24535224I was also referring to some side characters who died a bit.. early, came of as there initially was some more plans for them. But you kinda have to do that for deaths to be impactful anyway if they are a part of the main cast or not, this is just me guessing at the author's intent
RIGHT! Also the thing with Sevro inheriting his father's hat and contacting the hidden fleet nobody knew about - that seem super done and dropped now, just like Figment
>>24535273Fix the poll you pixie
>>24535284>House Arcos deserves betterI tell you what, there's at least a whole books worth of Arcos daughter-in-law shennanigans that just happens in the background for some reason. The fact that the remainder of the family were such diehard ride or die hoes even after the revelation of the rising, given what Brown has said about Lorns hypothetical reaction, is fucking interesting and it just never gets brought up.
Rhonna and Alexander would have been so cute together....
>>24535293Lysander is mentally ill and spends the entire series convincing himself he’s a good person when he knows he’s not. Hes elitist, he craves power, believes in his right to rule whilst telling everyone and himself that he doesn’t. Every chapter is him schizoing out because he just won’t admit he’s a cunt like his grandmother.
>>24535293The problem is never
>I gotta do something terrible for the greater goodIt's that it's always
>I gotta do something terrible to other people for the greater goodSay what you will about how easily Darrow spends blood, he's put himself through more hell than he's ever asked of anyone.
>>24535061King of fat fetishists maybe.
>>24535306This was also my read on Lysander.
Or at the very least that recent events broke him bad. And he's certainly not acting to do good anymore
>only on book 3
>have to scroll past half the thread
I learned my lesson. I won't try to start a Red Rising convo next thread
>>24535302Yeah they've got good reasons to hate Darrow as well as Octavia/Lysander/Atalantia
>>24535304>boyfriend killed and now she’s left stranded on mercury in a war zone/ourgirl/ just can’t catch a break
>>24535314It’s never normally the active but I think the red rising chads are in a good mood this evening. Keep reading the book anon so you can join in
>>24535319She made it back to mars, speed reader kun ~
>>24535306it was the Pandemonium Chair, Virginia is going to restore his memories with a psychoSpike and he's going to die fighting Atalantia while quoting Cassius
>>24535323I must have missed that. Time for a reread when Red god is announced
>>24535313Yeah and he also has trauma from a young age where Octavia basically tortured him into a weird autistic shut in. If only he grew up with Lorn in his fancy space castle with griffons…
>>24535322Yeah I just got home from work and I couldn't pass up some RR chat (and Sun Eater shilling)
My favorite thing in Red Rising is Space Viking king turning out to just be a super competent CIA plant, just playing the role he was tasked to. That shit was peak
>>24535328Irregular reminder that the series begins with Howling Dark.
>>24535309The man loves a fat sorceress. Nothing wrong with it
>>24535332The voice acting switchup in the audiobook gave me a stiffy.
>>24535333Centenial reminder that the drudge of EoS is crucial to the metaphysical journey of Hadrian. It's not the passion without Christ carrying the cross through the streets.
>>24535332Yeah I loved that too. Everything with Atlas was really well done. House Raa were some of my favorite additions to the sequel books and I’m not even a weeb
>>24535332Volsung Fá, Atlas's top glowie
>>24535341Atlas was such a shit eater, it was great. There's no way he's actually dead right?
>>24535333Sun Eater got this weird thing in common with Red Rising, that the 1st book is.... different than the rest of the series
Plus the obvious similarities, Romans in space, MC hiding his identity and participating in the class power struggle
>>24535340I'm just making sure the newfags know there's plenty of ebin space battles and cosmic horror waiting for them while Hadrian's pilgrim's progress sinks in
>>24534797I will now read Red Rising, unironically.
>>24535340I must give the audiobooks a try. Are they the ones with the dynamic audio or whatever it’s called that has sound effects too? Might listen to it on a reread as I’ve heard they’re good.
>>24535346It's a neat coinkydink but it's definitely not more than that, given the radically different reasons.
>>24535346They complement one another interestingly. RR has a strong ensemble cast and a political fixation; SE has a strong personal focus and theological fixation.
>>24535348Let's be honest, if they can't make it through sadcunt hours then they aren't ready for dadcunt hours, let alone 4Deternalmaliceanddivinewillcunt hours.
>>24535356>and a political fixationeeeeeeh...
>>24535322yeah OMG 2 day old threads are like SO dead lmao
>>24535350No I was talking about the normal ones. I've never been able to get into dynamic audio audiobooks ever since I listened to the dune ones. They just ruined everything else for me.
>>24535357maybe so but I certainly preferred old man Hadrian to young Hadrian, even if EoS wasn't a turnoff for me.
>>24535365For me it was red company Hadrian. We got ENTIRELY too few scenes of him swinging his big savior dick around in front of the empire.
>>24535360It's not propaganda, it just depicts the mechanics of war and authority
>>24535367Read Queen Amid Ashes, if you haven't. It's like DLC for Howling Dark/Demon in White
I have yet to read a sandermeme book.
>>24535368The war and authority I'll give you. But the politics on the whole in the series is... reddit, to say the least. For the record I think that's intentional. Brown himself writes it deftly but it's undeniably, fuck what's the word...
>>24535374The Way of Kings is the one to read
>>24535374>>24535382I liked Tress of the Emerald Sea. I've read none others of his
>>24535346>Romans in space, MC hiding his identity and participating in the class power struggleJust read this. It got so many of the same parts, yet an entirely different vibe and execution.
It really seems very inspired by Red Rising, in the part that the main character is "fighting the system" from within and a lot of the tension coming from him having the keep his identity secret.
Plot being mostly contained in an elite boarding school, where the students will have to fight each other. Main character just being better than everyone else, just like Red Rising!
The direction of the plot is clearly for the main character to go on and rise in the ranks of the empire so he can take it down from within. Just like Red Rising!
I really liked this book. First in a new series.
It's definitively a lot "boringer", and less risqué than Red Rising. No one is pissing on each other.
Book is a bit longer than it should have to be. This is a hallmark of the author, lol.
Maybe I just really really like hungry games.
>>24535374Read Mistborn solely because it's a good concept.
>>24535375It did get silly how every major impediment to the Republic was Society-aligned elements playing 4D chess. Unintentionally says a lot about heckin demokracy, but I wish PB had been more circumspect about representative government
>>24535388I implore you, read this authors first trilogy. It helps you see where The Will of The Many comes from. It's not in the slightest inspired by Red Rising, it's a purely superficial connection.
>The direction of the plot is clearly for the main character to go on and rise in the ranks of the empire so he can take it down from within. Just like Red Rising!You're in for a surprise lol.
>>24535396>Unintentionally says a lot about heckin demokracyThat's what I was referring to when I said he writes it deftly. Sometimes when I'm reading the subreddit I just can't imagine they actually read the book, some of the things they say...
>>24535391>>24535385>>24535382I will put these on the list. re-reading the aspect-emperor series rn.
>>24535297It's his Karma for killing Tactus.
>>24535397I worded myself a bit unclearly.
I don't really suspect the author of plagiarism, neither is any of these concept novel enough to warrant that.
>You're in for a surprise lol.Is the 2nd book out yet? Or are you making a prediction based on the author's previous work?
>>24535405Put the redditor out of mind! Ignore the discourse there and focus on the Victra fan art
>>24535415He should've been tortured for that.
>>24535418But it's so fucking bad dude!
>>24535415Tactus deserved it and more. Lorn should have raped him first
>>24535415I miss Tactus...
>>24535417Hop back in the archives, a beta reader spoiled the whole book at some point.
>>24535423You should be raped, in the ass, on camera. We'll send it to all your friends and family. Tactus deserved a fucking hug.
>>24535421I've seen good Victra art here, idk if it comes from r/redrising. If it doesn't, then there's no reason to visit leddit
>>24535430No I meant the discourse on the subreddit was so bad.
>>24535426Tactus's redemption was rushed and hamfisted, easily the worst moment in Golden Son.
>>24535433What redemption you turbo nigger he fucking died.
>>24535431Then why are you going to the sub???
>>24535415Tactus would have turned on Darrow if he knew he was a red like Roque anyways.
>>24535438*Attempted redemption
>>24535440After everything they went through? Not a chance.
>>24535441Prelude to redemption*
We never got to see what it might have been like because again FUCK LORN.
>>24534288 (OP)>I [Professor Kilby] was invited to dinner with some of the faculty at Christ Church and afterwards one member asked me if The Silmarillion had any sex, in the modern sense, in it. Next day I mentioned this to Tolkien and, to my surprise, he said he had written a couple of sex stories, though he did not volunteer to show them to me.Tolkien literally wrote stories about elves fucking. Where the fuck are they?
Also, Tolkien
>thread 5 hours old
>275 posts and counting
I kneel RisingChads
>>24535439Because I'm a retard?
>>24535449i too am angry that this general has activity
>>24535455There's the answer I was looking for. Go and sin no more.
>>24534473because he is a cringe redditor
>>24534569>first name "china"kek
>>24535443In this general Lorn au Arcos is a hero, end of story.
>>24535063>It's better than Red Rising though imothis is the correct take
>>24534766In 2025? Any straight white male, unironically.
Give me an AU where Tactus stays loyal and just takes the kid to the cargo hold like he was told where he recognizes that Jackal is killing Quinn and stops him. The whole thing diverges. It's all his fault.
>>24535388How pozzed is it?
This is a GENERAL, not a SPECIFIC!
>>24535471If there aren't three threads a day, this general is dead because I said so.
>>24535459I will go and sin some more :(
>>24535471We're talking about at least two series at the moment and answering rando sando questions. Only one series can be the most discussed but it ebbs and flows.
>>24535464To who? TO WHO!?
>>24535458Im only mad you guys did all this while I was at work
>>24535466>It's all his fault.Nah it's Darrows. Trusting the Jackal was pants on head retarded.
>>24535484Darrow being retarded is like the sun rising in the morning. It just happens and expecting anything else is completely pointless.
>>24535484Darrow is a warlord. He would be retarded to not at least attempt to use the Jackal. This is evidenced by the fact that everything would have fallen apart multiple times if not for the Jackal.
>>24535475I just want you to stop killing yourself, anon!
>>24535469I want to say something like 0%. Can't recall anything
It's very mild on sexual stuff
It kinda got gender equality, does that count as pozzed?
>>24535495Women existing as anything other than broodmothers is pozzed
>>24535503>Women existingPozzed
>>24535503The women are either cunts, motherly, or raped teens. So that's something.
Red Rising spam is having us well on our way to one of the fastest threads in its history.
>>24535536>Actual book discussion>SpamOkay, make a post about a book you like. Faggot.
>>2453553650 posts an hour, wew.
Darrow destroying the docks was a completely justifyiable action, and frankly I don't know why he was so torn up about it.
>>24535540This is a general. There shouldn't be specific book discussion. One off posts about a book are ideal. That's what the grrm threads and others that should exist would be for.
Odds are that the "discussion" is mostly self-replies.
>>24535554That has been self-evident by the short sentence structure and vague/vapidposting ("omg this scene was BASED").
>>24535549>Make Red Rising thread>outer /lit/ bitches and moans about an escape from the containment threadBesides, all the SFFfags are already in this thread. If there was as much discussion as there was for Gurm prior to /grrm/ I could see your point, but the RR posting is about on par with Bakker lore discussions of yesteryear.
>>24535569There was almost no grrm posting in sffg prior to the grrm general being made.
I was walking past the bookstore the other day and saw Stormlight Archive book 5, which I completely forgot even exists
How is it compared to Rhythm of War, which was the worst book I've ever finished in my life?
Is Kaladin still depressed?
Did Dalinar die or get captured by Odium?
Does this book still have those god awful fabrial chapters?
I wanted to ask about Shallan, but I just know that she's still annoying cunt
>thread is mostly on topic for once>resident schizo is unhappy about itShocking
>>24535549This is a completely bullshit and arbitrary line you've made. Stifling conversation about books is not the point of a general. The general exists so sff books can be discussed without the pseuds of outer /lit/ shitposting each thread. Multiple anons are reading Red Rising right now so conversation takes off more than usual. The usual posts about sff books from the 80s that no one else is currently reading and thus only get one or two replies is NOT the golden standard for book discussion here.
>>24535576hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Holy moly, it's been like 3 months since last I visited this thread.
I initially wanted to talk about Neal Asher, but I joined in at the Red Rising/Sun Eater discussion
>>24535575There was more than there is now.
Speaking of suneater. The ginger faggot was pretty cool I wish he wasn't dropped so hard so soon.
>>24535577>only one person doesn't like <what I like>Return to whichever social media outlet you came from and stop shitting up and spamming the thread with your newfag buzzwords and newfag rhetoric, newfag nigger.
>>24535579is it that bad? Come on, there's no way in hell that it's worse than row
>rushes to admit that he's the resident schizo
lel
>>24535589Believe it or not, it is considerably worse.
>passive nonquoting
lol #gottem
>>24535583The first sffg thread was years after dance of dragons. There hasn't really ever been. The other following books didn't get really any discussion.
>>24535585I have an inkling we'll see him again before the end. The technology is there.
5.5 hours from start to bump limit.
>>24535595Nah no way in hell, he's not going to bring back any of his pozzed characters.
quotes are for anons engaging in discussion, not replying to gay retards crying about on-topic posting
>>24535591Fucking hell, maybe I'll just keep pretending that this book never came out
>>24535599Totally organic discussion of course.
>>24535594There were plenty "winds of winter when" posts and discussions of POVs/plot threads/lore elements that GRRM had left hanging. Perhaps not with the regularity of am active series like RR but it's not like ASoIaF vanished from the /sffg/ consciousness
For the record, this is why this general goes through anons so quickly. Any time a few anons discuss something they like, SOMEONE starts complaining that there are too many posts. Can you please make it make sense?
>>24535600he'll bring him back as straight with no lampshading whatsoever
>>24535609If we run through threads too quickly then 4chan runs out of threads and we can't have any more
>>24535594We still get the occasional rabid GRRM fanboy who decides to shit up half the thread acting like Bakkerfag and treating GRRM like the greatest author in all of human history.
>>24535611The egg provides, amen.
>>24535609I can't take anyone seriously who supports our history of bakkerspam.
>>24535613source: my feelings
>>24535616It's the same newfag who spams the same buzzwords and pulled the passive nonquoting rhetoric off the newfag checklist. They're new so they literally cannot conceive or imagine a 4chan 1) before they found it and 2) before generals existed.
>>24535619Maybe you should write a FICTION book where 4chan archives do not exist, Bakkerfag.
>>24535623Nta, will it be GRI certified?
>>24535623They exist, but your claim is fabricated.
>>24535627Probably. If he wrote a book, I'm sure he would include all of the above.
>>24535628Okay, GRRMfanboy. It's not even the only hyperauthor we get weird posters about. Plenty of normalfags still gush over Rothfuss, among others.
>>24535388>>24535346It's like we have an entire generation of sff authors raised off Code Geass or something
>>24535630hyperpopular author*
Quick question, if I wrote a fantasy book in dense nigh incomprehensible sensory prose with absolutely no concern for readability, would one of you post about me every thread?
>>24535640Post excerpt and I'll get back to you.
>>24535319she's going to kill Lysander
>>24535646Well now I'm embarassed, nevermind.
>>24535446I think the point is that Tolkien wrote Elf smut for his wife's eyes only.
>>24535576someone post
>BUT STAND. KALADAN. DID.or the therapist joke for this guy
>>24535640Depends, do you want a "FUCK HE IS GOOD" simple shitpost, or repeatedly remind everyone that they probably got filtered by Books 1 through 5 of Chadanon's 12-book series kind of post?
>>24535660No I'm clearly anonymous retard.
>>24535469there's like one gay character, and it's only implied.
>>24535667Wait really? Who was gay in that book?
>>24535549I would love a red rising general
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>>24535585>make gay character>name him switch
>>24535670indol i'm pretty sure. implication.
>>24534863No no I know Cassius and Mustang were banging. I'm merely wondering if Darrow and Mustang really hadn't beforehand. I'd believe it if Darrow was one of those blushing virgin MCs but he isn't
>>24535710I think you might be a bit off the mark on that one.
>>24535722Anony, he's talking about Darrow and Mustang fucking on Luna before Darrow went off to the spaceship institute or whatever it was called.
>>24535729Oh yeah well that makes more sense.
Do you guys think Cassius was happy knowing he was eskimo brothers with Darrow?
>>24535741The more important question is how did Cassius stack up compared to Darrow.
>>24535741100% and he was jealous that Sevro got Darrow's old eyes
>>24535678Should it be /rrg/, /rrs/, or /rrsg/ ?
>>24535751It should be /vg/ for victra general
reminder that while you bitch and moan about people talking about things you don't like on a Laotian basket weaving forum that Red RisingCHADS are plowing broads like this nightly
>>24535757The sleeve for lightbringer is so retarded it beggars belief that its part of the same set.
>>24535724>"Belli is talking to Indol, walking close to him. Very close. The Dimidius' son looks distinctly uncomfortable.">Vis says "Oh, I... oh. When did this happen?">Emissa says "Last night. I think we may have accidentally done Indol a disservice, leaving him with her for so long." She shakes her head solemnly.">Vis says "You don't think Indol might be a little bit interested?">Emissa hides a smirk. "No. Trust me."Implication.
>>24535767Oh okay. That's gay.
>>24535751/rrg/
>>24535757I don't know what it's supposed to be. It looks cool, but I wish it had something to do with the name of the book. Either with Cassius or Lysander.
Coolest cover there is 100% the one for Iron Gold. Our boy Ephraim did that shit.
>>24535768I made a mental note so I won't think it comes out of left field when he's sucking dick in the sequel
>>24535776I just find it weird since there were literally no fags in the licanius books.
>>24535757why the fuck are these sold out
>>24535784They're made explicitly for consoomers
>>24535778In the current climate if you don't have a hint of that stuff in your books, people are gonna start dialogues about you. Best to sprinkle it in on irrelevant characters like him.
>Mustang's ship is called the Dejah Thoris
I kek'd
>>24535767I remember reading this as the implication being that Belle is a fucking cutthroat bitch, and everyone knows it
>>24535806could be. im just saying I wouldn't be surprised in the current climate
Red Rising General
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>>24535829If I have to bump it off page 10 even a single time I'm letting it die and coming back here for Red Rising posts
>>24535035seconded, I did Sun Eater 1-6 audios over the last 6 months, contemporary he's leading the charge
he's Vance wannabe, Wolfe Jr, I appreciate him
>*someone says something shocking*
>----
>And then I realized, the person who said the shocking thing... Was me.
Mr. Ruocchio, you can't put this in your book another time! You've already used this turn-of-phrase 8 times.
>>24535872I said in my father's voice.
>>24535829>>24535842You're a retard for making it in the first place. RR discourse is sporadic, it's not frequent enough to justify a general.
>>24535890I didn't make it. Fuck you.
>>24535872>>24535875I make this complaint, with love, btw.
It was a novel and exciting way to write, at least to me.
It also was very effective in saying a lot about what kind of person the main character is. That he is letting his temper slip. That he is bothered by recognizing that he is acting like his father.
I just can't get over Ruocchio repeating the phrases. It just seems like such an obvious "no-no".
It's fine. I feel like I was basically done talking about Red Rising for now, I got the things I wanted to talk about out of my system.
>>24535907I think the editorial justification is that it's diagetic. Remember that these books are canonically written by Hadrian in exile (for real this time(im super serious guys hes in exile now))
>>24535909Same. But I'm sure I'll have more questions after I finish this book and by then /rrg/ will be dead so we'll have another little sperg out here.
>>24535917See you then bestie <3<3
>>24535188It has that authentic super dark as fuck vibe written in a way that isn't trying to be like the dark souls authors of today. Its Erikson going one rep max on his authorial tone. He's writing the third book as we speak and we'll finally be getting Rake drinking the blood of Tiam
>>24535757i heard it was ya tier sanderslop that's popular among people who "don't normally even read books", confirm/deny?
>>24536040I think it would be fine first read, you certainly don't need to heave read a lot of scifi to understand the gist of what's going on
>>24535757GIVE IT! GIVE IT! GIVE IT NOW!
GIVE ME MILKY, LAZY SOW!
UNTIL YOU DO I'LL SCREAM I'LL SHOUT!
I'LL CRY I'LL WHINE AND STOMP ABOUT!
UNTIL MY BELLY IS FULL AND HAPPY!
I REFUSE TO TAKE A NAPPY!
>>24535757>ummm I said CHAD why aren't all the naysayers dying in real life????
Whats the best fantasy written in the last 5 years or so?
>>24536089I really liked Blacktongue Thief
>>24536089house of open wounds by adrian tchaikovsky
>>24536111>what would happen if you mashed together the bleak “All War Is Hell” motif of All Quiet on the Western Front, with the buddy camaraderie of MASH, held together by the black absurdist humor of Catch-22, set in a grimdark fantasy universe, then House of Open Wounds by Adrian Tchaikovsky is the book for you.
>hot chick is fucking evil trope
aw yeah
>>24535077 Read the original question dumbass.
>>24536249>why didn't anybody mention <my favorite author> within an hour???????
>>24536191>mfw my name is evil
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>saves sci fi
How did he do it?
