Was this guy Russian or Ukrainian? - /lit/ (#24534833) [Archived: 387 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/9/2025, 9:03:31 PM No.24534833
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 9:13:52 PM No.24534869
Vladimir_Lenin
Vladimir_Lenin
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Whats "Ukrainian"
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 9:23:38 PM No.24534894
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>>24534869
A Ukrainian is anyone who says they're a Ukrainian
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 9:24:37 PM No.24534897
dead soul
dead soul
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>>24534833 (OP)
...
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 10:11:28 PM No.24535055
>>24534869
A region of Russia. So Gogol was both Ukrainian and Russian.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 10:14:54 PM No.24535075
Maloros
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 10:16:59 PM No.24535087
>>24534869
Better version of vatniks
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 10:20:52 PM No.24535103
Taras_bulba
Taras_bulba
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>>24534833 (OP)
Ukrainian living in Russia. He wrote both in ukrainian and in russian. His ukrainian works are more romantic, russian works realist. His nationality is very similar to Kafka, who was german-speaking jew living in bohemia. Not fitting in the majority society both through national category and being weirdo fueled their works. We can see that in youth Gogol perhaps identified with cossacks, who too were of uncertain origin, slavs mixed with tatars.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 10:21:46 PM No.24535108
>>24534833 (OP)
same thing
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 10:27:15 PM No.24535128
ukrainianindisguise
ukrainianindisguise
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>>24535103
inb4 "Kafka: A Jew In Disguise"
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:30:08 AM No.24535857
>>24535128
>in disguise
His name is literally Hohol
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:47:21 AM No.24535904
>>24535857
Or Gogol if you're a Ruzzian
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 12:58:12 PM No.24536948
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>>24535128
yes, that is interesting aspect of Gogol. Gogol wanted to be accepted by the russian aristocracy to some extent. When his most famous play The Government Inspector premiered and the aristocracy together with bureaucrats hated it he ran away from russia and experienced mental collapse, which lead to him burning Dead Souls and dying of starvation.
He wanted to be accepted by them, yet at the same time he saw how flawed they are. The feeling of being "other" is translated to his books, as his main characters usually are russian aristocrats or bureaucrats, yet do not fit in. His main characters also often hide who they really are or they real motives or they are considered to be someone other than they really are (both in The Government Inspector and in Dead Souls) - the disguise is often not intentional but imposed by the people around them through misunderstanding.
Gogol's otherness stemmed from him being ukrainian, from him being weirdo and from him being scared of women (possibly being a homo).
He found a friend and shelter with Pushkin, who is nowadays Russia's national poet. But Pushkin too was "other" as he was 1/4 ethiopean and he too never fit into the russian aristocracy.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 5:31:23 PM No.24537398
>>24536948
If you like reading Gogol, check out the Gogol Suite, by Alfred Schnittke:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LTleKD4i4Q

Schnittke is a rabbit hole in himself, with his eccentric "polystylist" tendencies.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 6:08:32 PM No.24537460
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>>24536948
Pushkin was 1/8th African, not 1/4th. His eyes were light blue and his skin a normal color. The only way he didn't look fully white was his broader nose. The image you posted is ridiculous. Furthermore his own semi-autobiographical work Peter the Great's Blackamoor has women literally fainting from how ugly his full negro great-grandfather was.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:10:02 PM No.24538226
>>24534833 (OP)
Russian because his russianized name sounds much better than his ukrainian.
Imagine your name being:
>Mykolai Hohol
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:47:56 PM No.24538334
>>24534833 (OP)
Ukrainian, anyone saying otherwise is a retard.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 12:03:47 AM No.24538372
>>24534833 (OP)
That nose is definitely western slav. I worked in an office in Poland for a few months and all the upper middle class white people had that exact nose.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:12:02 AM No.24538556
>>24538226
>>Mykolai
Lmao, the only practical usage of Mykolai in Ukrainian is St. Nicholas's name (cะฒัั‚ะธะน Mะธะบoะปaะน).
Gogol and other non-saints are simply Mykola.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:01:33 AM No.24539574
>>24534869
Fibby bibby
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:05:50 PM No.24541048
Dont know
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:34:20 PM No.24541140
>>24534833 (OP)
Is the nyrb translation of dead souls good?
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:35:50 PM No.24541147
>>24541140
it's too casualized but maybe you're into that.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:55:12 PM No.24541220
>>24534833 (OP)
Russified German (Nemets).
>>24536948
>>24535103
This is what peak midwit analysis looks like. You never learn about the history of Russian literature beyond the retelling of Soviet textbooks.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:54:37 PM No.24541359
>>24541220
Unlikely you I've actually read Gogol to some extent - Dead Souls, Government Inspector and his shortstories. I may be midwit, but you are illiterate retard.