Nietzsche: "Become who you are."
Jung: "Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate."

Nietzsche says you must create yourself. Jung says you must discover yourself.

Which one is right?

>>24538709 (OP)
>retarded german 1: x
>retarded german 2: y
stop reading germans.

>>24538715
why?

>>24538718
I often ask myself why they're so retarded. Sometimes I think it is the nature of their language, or perhaps of their geography, or religion, or so on. But all I know is that they ruined philosophy and haven't produced a single good work of literature or philosophy since they stopped writing in french and latin. this is the country that produced nazism for a reason. they're not capable of thought, every one of them is a deranged narcissist and a crank. notice that claiming to have solved philosophy is a phenomenon that started in germany. Kant said that the critique either solved all metaphysical problems or contained the key to their solution. Schopenhauer claimed that he had solved the sphinx's riddle. Hegel thought that he had finished philosophy and obtained absolute knowing. Fichte thought that he could derive all sciences a priori. Nietzsche thought that he was a prophet, whose book "also sprach zarathustra" would replace the bible and create a superior race of beings that could surpass humanity. Jung thought that by living in a mountain and driving himself schizo by spending 24/7 in fantastical imaginations, he could understand the structure of a mystical unconscious mind and produce the perfectly psychologically healthy individual. do these sound like people worth your time? they're cranks.

>>24538737
Shalom

>>24538742
>chuds say jewish postmodernists caused the fall of the west
>look into these philosophers
>marx, freud, the frankfurt school
>all germans
curious

>>24538737
That's why I like them. They have balls. Compare to the soulless angloid bugmen like Bertrand Russell and his "nooooo I have no balls, I wont die for any cause". Germans used to be men. Sadly they're jew-cucked now.

chatgpt thread, do not interact.

fuck you janitor pick this shit up!

>>24538709 (OP)
Nietzsche: *contracts a venereal disease, goes insane and dies*
Jung: *cheats on his wife with his patients, writes about UFOs then dies*

Do these sound like men who lived what they preached?

>>24538754
it's not because they have balls. it's because they're grandiose narcissists. their reasoning is all motivated by their delusions and thus you cannot trust any of it.

>>24538754
>I wont die for any cause
Imagine dying for another man's cause

>>24538715
>>24538718
>>24538737
/lit/ will criticize Germans to kingdom come but French "people" get a free pass to live rent free in people's minds here for some reason. Curious.

>>24538816
on the contrary I seem to be the only one who posts against germans on this board. the rest of the board wanks them to no end and there are at least a dozen different schizos who each subscribe to some brand of german philosophy be it Nietzsche, Hegel, Kant, Heidegger, and so on. meanwhile the chuds here hate french philosophy for the typical reasons contained in chud propaganda, like Jordan Peterson's whole spiel or Paul Johnson's book on 'intellectuals.' mindless political reactionaries who don't read. am I fan of the french? not particularly. most of them are crypto hegelians and or nietzscheans anyway.

>>24538737
>notice that claiming to have solved philosophy is a phenomenon that started in germany
correct. this is because they felt irrelevant in having no colonial empire of their own like England, Spain, France, etc. so they turned inwards, 'solving' philosophy unto meaninglessness, then outwards (the two world wars). now they've been defanged, declawed, neutered, left to inflict their natural autism and power-tripping behavior on themselves through suicidal social policies. I blame France for this. their historical role was keeping the Germans in check, keeping the continent placid, but they got lazy and lost the Franco-Prussian war triggering this catastrophe.

>>24538715
BASED

>>24538748
None Germans actually

>>24538830
>on the contrary I seem to be the only one who posts against germans on this board
And you‘re living it up until you have to turn off all electronics on Friday evening it seems

>>24538830
You hate them because you were filtered by their language. Typical angloid weakling.

>>24538865
>correct. this is because they felt irrelevant in having no colonial empire of their own like England, Spain, France, etc. so they turned inwards,
Incredible amounts of projection going on here.

Jews and Anglos (same thing in practice) have a huge hate boner for the Germans. Petty little creatures.

>>24538737
>this is the country that produced nazism for a reason.
faggot

>>24538816
>(lit/ will criticize Germans to kingdom come
This board is so Germanized its name could be changed to German Literature. It got psyopped hard by the mainstream histories of philosophy that go Kant-Hegel-Schopenhauer-Marx-Nietzsche-Freud as if the Germans were writing the history of all Western thought in their state-funded universities. I prefer the German Romanticism posters, because those anons tend to also be into Coleridge, Wordsworth and so forth.

>>24538816
Imagine posting this in a Nietzsche thread.
Chuddie skipped reading and went straight for roleplaying online.

>>24538709 (OP)
They’re literally saying the same thing
>>24538715
Oy vey

>>24539002
>Kant-Hegel-Schopenhauer-Marx-Nietzsche-Freud
All charlatans. You can add Heidegger for the final touch and the ascent into total nonsense.
I don't care too much about the nationalist slop but even if picking Hunnic writers, why not select the interesting ones? Where are Brentano, Lotze, Husserl, Cassirer?

>>24538865
The franco-prussian war, like the russo-japanese war, was financed by jewish bankers to disrupt the balance of power in Europe and start more bigger wars.

>>24538709 (OP)
They are saying the same thing

>>24539002
the eternal war between the mediterranean and northern europe
we need greekposters and ortho-caths to push against the cold autism of the north

>>24539092
>we need greekposters and ortho-caths
ortho bros are the most annoying creatures

>>24538754
>bertrand russel
The english are philosophically retarded

>>24538830
Well damn motherfucker what philosophers do you like?

>>24538975
Honestly I am growing to despite the entire anglosphere despite it being my mother tongue.

>>24538715
You dirty jewish rat

>>24539358
French, Latin, and Greek have saved me. The burger sphere is temporal.

>>24538737
>claiming to have solved philosophy is a phenomenon that started in germany.
Guess I'm german, lol. I'd like to add Wittgenstein (I know he's Austrian) to this list too.
>>24538816
Punching French feels cheap. I think it's because French philosophers obviously don't believe the shit they're saying and are just trying to provoke thought. The same could not be said for the likes of Nietzsche and Kant.

>>24538709 (OP) Look how each of those died and take a guess.

>>24539157
Chinese and Anglos

>>24540732
So you're a bugman. Gross.

>>24540739
back to /pol/ nigger

>>24540749
>he thinks it's a racial slur
lmao

>>24540764
what? meds.

>>24538709 (OP)
Well, I’m more in line with Jung because there are things which intuitively repel and compel us. Some people take to drawing, others to athleticism, and others to science and math. I doubt most people would claim to have chosen these interests, rather, they discovered them. We are complicated products of genetics, culture, and history plus some. Although, I believe it’s important to lean into that Nietzschean attitude because self-creation means autonomy and freedom which is important for individuality. Although I don’t think Nietzsche’s ontology neatly squares with this sort of volition. Also, I love how derailed this thread became when the subject matter is interesting because Jung acknowledged Nietzsche a fair bit, and they both take an irrationalist individualist approach.

>>24540764
if you use a category that isn't nazi, you are racist

>>24538709 (OP)
Theyre saying the same thing. Only that Jungian thought implies that the true self already exists and is hidden in the unconscious and must be brought to the light, he writes extensively on how this is what alchemical "solificatio" means. It cannot therefore be "created".

>>24538737
Nietzsche would never have said he 'solved philosophy', he was claiming it was only just getting started. Any philosopher obviously needs to be deterministic in order to even articulate their philosophical positions in the first place. What the fuck do you expect them to do, learn everything else other than their position and do nothing?

>>24538754
For me, it’s less that they have balls and more that they’re trying to communicate something interesting and insightful. Angloid philosophy is oftentimes more a reduction to pointless tautologies and utilitarianism or making emotionally charged moral value judgements with a false veneer of logic. Just look at the anon’s post, he uses “narcissist” and “schizophrenic” pejoratively as if the validity of an argument is rooted in the psychogenic disposition of the proponent. It’s an emotionally charged irrational thought process. Scratch a analytifag and a neurotic bleeds.

>>24540773
wtf does that have to do with /pol/ then
retard

>>24539358
>t. descendant of mitteleuropa peasantry that cannot speak the language of his ancestors and speaks (poorly) only the language of his superiors
Hurts, doesn’t it?

>>24539358
Based

>>24538742
Jews are just inbred Germans though.

>>24538709 (OP)
They are literally saying the same thing, but in different words.
Reading comprehension, and its lack of, is truly a serious endemic symptom of late-stage kapitalism and liberalismus.

>>24538709 (OP)
As long as Jung needs information from society then he damn well better never pretend to know anything.

>>24538709 (OP)
Nietzsche. Jung is just a charlatan telling you what you want to hear in a way that makes you feel smart.

>>24538830
Youre not the only one. I know for a fact I criticize anything after Descartes but you niggas dont care. Read philosophy as a rite of rebirth for starters and go back to the greeks

>>24538709 (OP)
Both aren't good but jung is better.

>>24538748
People will say that it was because of their Jewish ethnicity, but they do not say that Germans had a campaign where they took Jewish and gypsy children from parents to boarding schools and had them forcibly assimilated; the kids often became the biggest jingoists for Germanic culture and went along with the flow of whatever it was mainstream society wanted. The Jewish guys at the school of Frankfurt were aping a deadly White zietgeist

>>24538975
Germans spent the 1930s equivalent of millions of dollars to capture girls and babies of Jewish ethnicity and kill them, thus costing themselves WWII and being subjected to Anglo dominance. If anyone is petty its the Germans, and if anyone deserves to look down on them its Britain

>>24538715
This is the anglo seething from the other thread, very sad to see a people fall so low as to dismiss their superiors over some banter

>>24543696
What a strange mindset you live in where spending millions of dollars to create the present world gives one the right to look down on a people who instead spent millions of dollars actually improving the world (and undercutting the ability of jewry to crash war-essential industries like they did in WWI.)

>>24543742
>(and undercutting the ability of jewry to crash war-essential industries like they did in WWI.)
Hilarious historical illiteracy, but if it were true we need to thank Jewish people for their help in protecting civilisation from the barbarians. The White population today would literally be more than triple if it wasn't for the German attacks on Europe. Every kid in a blitzed out building was one who could have grown up in a world where White nationalism did not have a strong stigma and had five kids, reducing the elite's need to ship in foreign workers
Now, where can I adopt a Jewish baby? They seem to have such special powers if even an infant hidden by farmers needed to be confiscated and gassed to protect the Fuhrer.

>>24538865
Impressive, angloids invented a type of psychobabble to apply for a whole nation. The whole german people suffer from a napoleon complex because they didnt get to have as many colonies in Africa. Nevermind that Spain only managed to conquer there colonies out of pure contingency and got completely bankrupt anyway. And England who only turned to expand in india to offset the brutal humiliation they received from the revolutionary war and the french isolating them from their own continent.

Ironically the real great power of europe, France couldn't give a damn about its colonies and sold them for a fraction of their worth. They only began to bring it back to offset the utter humiliation the Franco-prussian war brought upon them.

>>24543775
Blaming the stigma is a ridiculous cope by anglosphere residents who don‘t want to admit that they have always been the puppet of jewish interests or accept that the modern world is their creation; but need to somehow believe the pattern of their behavior producing terrible results for White people is, incidentally, still the fault of the great enemy of the jews.

>>24543821
You are like a black nationalist who blames everything bad on Whites, including the logical outcome of his people's own choices. Except black nationalists have some points like the fact that White people exploited non-Whites historically due to our various advantages. Antisemites blame a tiny Middle-Eastern group that came to Europe as slaves

>>24538709 (OP)
nietzsche doesn't know what being an individual without the pack is
jung knows that there are unknown unknowns that the unconscious psyche tries to make you aware until you can even become a individual
which one is right?
protip: nietzsche copied a concept of voluntary egoist without understanding what it means in practice and slapped a need to impose your will on others on top of it due to it

>DA JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZ

>notice me goyim, include me in your narrative! i will do everything in my power to force you to blame me for something so i can wash myself with your hatred because none of you show me love because i am a living mutilated piece of shit formed by a religious dogma that says the greater will decided that i am special and rest are cattle, but that same greater will can't tell the difference between me and a chicken i whacked against the rocks!
cool beans

>>24543846
Jews don't do this anymore than healthy women beg to be raped anon. But you are correct that there is a kind of strangeness in the extreme centring of Jews in their world view by conspiratorial antisemites, that is ultimately not self-serving. Centre your own people

>>24543856
is god the ultimate authority that chose the sons of abraham to be their people or is god a fucking pseudo-vegetable that can't tell the difference between a brutalized chicken and his own chosen people?

>i hate white people that are the only group of people that tolerate me enough to ruin their lands and my people have learned nothing historically form being kicked out of over 100+ countries, it is the fault of the goyim that allow us in that we are hated and we want the lands to be filled by immigrants that don't tolerate us when a majority to punish them for not tolerating us and for our refusal to follow basic common decency
marmelade

>>24543860
Did Europeans chose a God that incarnated as a Jewish man, and can they tell no difference between him and a loaf of bread? The truth is, every ethnocultural group believes that their tribal god chose them to be special. Even the Christians do; turn on any pastor and he is telling his flock that the people in the Church are a holy nation
Likewise, every ethno-cultural group has a weird way their sins are washed away, that their tribal god gives to them because humans are a lowly group that makes mistakes. For you its baptism, or indulgences, or visits to Medina, for Hindus its covering themselves with cowshit. Compared to that, killing a chicken and barbecuing it for the local homeless guy is pretty mild, especially for a Semitic religion

>>24543867
Most Jewish people are the only ethnic minority I meet who does not loathe Whitey.
Considering the fraught history that you mentioned I wonder if that makes them wise

>>24543872
>he thinks i'm a christian
why do you assume i believe in a divine authority that requires impotent old men in fancy robes to tell its will to the people and monopolizes violence for the state that gives them privileges for helping it to control the population?
abrahamic religions are pretty much "obey the big law that we tell you or you'll burn in a lake of fire slave" but with extra steps and all of them promise cool shit after you're dead from a life of service
it's literally the comfort for the slave to pretend they're not too cowardly to die for their rights
>>24543878
jewish people are the only people who loathe white people despite living in gated communities, there are actually individuals in black, latino and asian communities that prefer us over other minorities because they understand that white countries and people are in general better places to live in as long as you avoid the ultra religious pocket regions

>>24543867
>>24543878
I did my history dissertation on the banishment of the Jews. They were the most ludicrous shit and I no longer blame Jews for hating White people.
Most of them had nothing to do with Jews ruining anything, how could they if they were 100 inbred sandnogs in a small kingdom of a million White dudes? One king banished them because he thought a Jew had killed a child who later turned up alive. Others were banished because a local hysteric told a story about their women being witches who baked magical bread
Most others were excuses to confiscate Jewish possessions and get rich

>>24543900
read up about jews trying to impoverish nobles to get land owning rights and trying to beggar the realm to have vassals in their pockets, if that's too high brow for you google jews literally shitting in wells to incapacitate the local production and allying with invaders for promised boons

>>24543878
Other minorities might have issues with Europeans for being socially mistreated that one time or whatever but Jews hate Europeans on a spiritual level. It's different.

the greatest revenge the white men of europe can give to the jew and the minorities is to force them to take up the mantle of trying to wrangle their retards

>>24543887
I assume because most of the people who focus on hating Orthodox Jews (as opposed to secular atheist ones) in particular are religious fanatics themselves. No one rational cares about a little sandnog dressed in black who kills and barbecues chickens to pay for masturbating as a teen. Only religious freaks seethe about that instead of focusing on Soros or Zelensky or a rich Jewish secular scapegoat

>>24543914
even no name jew streamers slip their anti-european sentiments everywhere despite being protected species in white mans lands to the point that the law enforcement, courts and government favors them in literally every case and they have their own little "the black guy did it" coalition to protect them from blame when they do decide to fuck up big
in many countries it's already illegal to even criticize this

>>24543907
>if that's too high brow for you google jews literally shitting in wells to incapacitate the local production and allying with invaders for promised boons
Jews also fought in mercenary gangs for European rulers, as stupid as that was because the Europeans made them live under different laws as lower citizens most often. The well-poisoning garbage was a canard, and even the Church at the time knew that it was a canard. The whole community dies with a poisoned well.
>read up about jews trying to impoverish nobles to get land owning rights and trying to beggar the realm to have vassals in their pockets
I have. A lot of the time the moneylenders you speak of were literally slaves on paper. They did the will of a king or higher ranking noble who wanted to beggar his rivals, and then cast the blame on someone else when people accused him of being a snake.
It worked. Peasants fell for it and they fall for it still

>>24543909
>Other minorities might have issues with Europeans for being socially mistreated that one time or whatever but Jews hate Europeans on a spiritual level. It's different.
This feels like an inversion. There are no White people in the Torah but hating Jews is baked into the theology of both Islam and Christianity.
My experience with Jews (of the non-rich, "provocateur minority" kind that US identity politics breeds) is that they are slightly autistic, socially conservative and prefer to be left alone. My experience with White people is that they literally use the words "Jew" and "nigger" as an insult. The fact that people like Harold Bloom and Sowell exist at all is evidence that there's goodness in the hearts of minorities

>>24543926
>dehydrating a siege through well shitting to cause food poisoning? didn't happen
>trying to marry the same nobles you impoverished for the rights to own lands? lies and slander
>a story of jews allying the invaders that caused the same land that made them proto-medieval white collar workers for allying with invaders and helping them? not true despite being in old testament and our own texts
cool beans bro, try harder to rewrite it

>>24543922
>even no name jew streamers slip their anti-european sentiments everywhere despite being protected species in white mans lands to the point that the law enforcement, courts and government favors them in literally every case and they have their own little "the black guy did it" coalition to protect them from blame when they do decide to fuck up big
The whole reason there had to be laws made is because people could not stop attacking them due to superstition. And the most likely people to be attacked are not some libshit streamer who makes videos with titles like "Europeans all evil" and "White man privelged". Those guys are pathetic and no one likes them anymore except self-flagellating White college girls. The guys who get brutalised by idiots are the conservative little brown Mizrahi dude or the Orthodox guy in a kippah who is basically a darker olive-skinned Amish

>>24543944
Dude, White people in the medieval period could be executed for marrying a non-White, there was a space in the town square in the place I grew up where a guy had been burnt to death by other Europeans for sleeping with a Jewish woman. I assume you are an American and not an actual Euro because your claim about Jews trying to marry nobles to gain land (while understandable for a minority who could not buy it) would simply not have been feasible. The man and woman would both be executed

>>24543948
eternal victims never did anything wrong, from before christ times to modern days, they're just happy little merchants trying to be friends with everyone and following the culture of the lands they love to inhabit

>>24538709 (OP)
They're both wrong.
All creativity is co-creativity.

>>24543958
read history about the way the surnames changed in certain germanic and polish regions and then pretend you've read history again

>>24543958
Not everywhere in Europe was like your country

>>24543959

>>24543965
I am literally a historian. Name changes happen, but the places you are talking about had very strict race-mixing laws. There's cases when nobility married a quarter Jew or a quarter black who had converted to Christianity generations ago but by that point the person was as much an ethnic alien as a Brazilian black guy who is one quarter Swedish and practises hoodo is a Native European

>>24543971
which two very specific countries am i referring to mr historian and why do you believe that the change in majority of known historically impoverished noble families surnames is a pure coincidence?
if you have certain family names and cool stories i would love to be educated by you

>>24543969
I visited other countries in the process of my studies, and there are similar race-mixing laws in many places even if they were laxer in some areas and time periods.
Americans can't imagine this because even though they had anti-race mixing laws in the fifties, they basically were lax on everyone except Africans. Jews and Arabs and even some Natives are considered White according to the US census but were considered White NOWHERE else.
As it is, there's archaeological digs all over Europe with kid's graves, and the kids have mixed White and Middle-Eastern DNA when tested and sometimes stars of David necklaces. Shit was bad. Sometimes children who did nothing wrong are killed as a result of superstition, such as the belief that a Jewish person's blood or body parts could cure alignments in less educated parts of Poland and Germany

>>24543995
nowhere because people cared more about culture, religion and wealth than they cared about race before slave trade to america had to justify enslaving converted christians enslavement by their skin color

>>24543939
The Talmud makes a stark delineation between Jews and non-Jews and says all sorts of evil acts that a Jew is allowed to do to a non-Jew. Europeans have been generally lenient and tolerant of Jews but it's not until Jews take advantage of this that Europeans lose their patience and are forced to put restrictions on them for the good of everyone. I don't hate Jews. I just wish they behaved better towards non-Jews. There's a palpable resentment and disdain and obviously non-Jews can feel it so it creates tension. Western governments' favoritism of Jews in recent decades has created spoiled brats. Jews now defend the most evil acts just like at how Israelis treat Palestinians.

>>24543983
>which two very specific countries
European countries change borders and I have studied enough about the nobility of Europe to know that they name change for different reason. The most common reason was to LARP as a more distant ancestor or to claim a closer bond to your peasants if you were descended from a conqueror and not from anyone local.
Even the Queen did this to hide that she was German due to WWI and WWII.
If you can name a particular noble that you believe changed their name because they married a Jew due to lack of money you can name such a person yourself, and I can look them up in historical archives. But somehow I am not convinced. My ancestors were nobility, but I have no title because it was on my mother's side. It is the woman who changes names and if a woman married an outsider she would face terrible consequences. An aunt of mine who still has a title had a daughter marry a Roma dude. She was persona non-grata for good and her kid has no title or claim to the estate.
>>24544000
Partially true, but people were always aware of race as well. There was a belief that culture was influenced by blood and that a person whose ancestors were of a certain faith might be drawn to their rituals even if raised by people of a completely different culture and isolated from their origins. We can discuss how much of the modern idea of race comes from this but they certainly had the germ of the concept.

the roots is a joke, they didn't sell just some tribal fuckwits that were too rowdy to be worth "taming", the warlords sold any of their opposition and christians that were converted from local population were simple enough to sell to "merchants" but hard to resell because it was a little forbidden by bible to sell christians to slavery, then certain people figured that black = it's ok and made racism based on color a thing

>>24544032
you are disingenuine, you claim to know two countries but named neither due to some border swaps, you refuse to name a single family because if you were actually a historian and wanted to debate a point you would know that those are (were) pretty well documented cases where they married "merchants" to avoid being impoverished and most of those merchants were either "spanish" or from modern netherlands
you have an agenda and don't care about anything but parroting modern day washed history and keeping your parroting job at some shithole university

one has hair while the other is b*lding, the answer is clear

one has a point and one is parroting what keeps their job because they need to cope to sleep at night

>>24544003
> Europeans have been generally lenient and tolerant of Jews but it's not until Jews take advantage of this that Europeans lose their patience and are forced to put restrictions on them for the good of everyone.
Bro, this is such a lie that its hilarious. The Jews immigrated to Europe like Blacks immigrated to America, as slaves but worse because the Europeans also destroyed their state. The Talmud has anti-Christian passages, sure, but at the same and before that shit was written all of the monks that people like to post as being "based" were talking about how Jews are subhuman or devils incarnate. And of course you mention the Palis. The Palis of course did nothing wrong at all to create a war, right? Five fucking peace agreements those guys rejected, and the first people they killed when they kidnapped the most recent bout of sandnigger shenanigans were the Jewish doctors that tended to them for free. Considering you are an American I think you could not be treated the way Jews treat Arabs unless you moved here.
>>24544032
There was the possibly fictional Esther of Poland. The legend goes that the King married her in secret because he liked olive women with big tits. But she never was given any title and her kids inherited no land. The idea that a Jew could marry a White man to get his cash back in the day was a joke. It's different now; I know an aristocrat that was scammed by a Lebanese transsexual, but back then Semites of all sorts were usually persona non-grata

>>24543856
It's because antisemitism is just philosemitism by way of a lunatic passion. The opposite of adoration isn't hatred, it's indifference.

>>24544075
Claiming that jews arrived in america lower than the slaves and also fuck the Palestinians for not accepting offers for only partial annexations of their land after the israelis were proven by history to be liars is an impressive degree of lying even for you moishe.

>>24544044
I never claimed I know of the two countries you speak of (which you never named). I claimed I know many cases when nobility changed names but that my personal experience with aristocratic relatives and my historical research both contradict the likelihood of a Middle-Eastern person who is not even baptised marrying in to gain land and titles. Give me a particular case of a suspicious name change since you brought it up. I have access to very old archives and I could probably find it among the thousands of cases that nobility left behind.
Maybe the people you are talking about are even my relatives and I would like to know if conspiracytards are claiming they are crypto-Jews
>>24544082
I started getting pissed off when I noticed a similarity between the way they speak of Jews and the way incels speak of women.
There's a bitterness there that reminds me of a passion that was not returned

>>24544097
We have entered the inevitable part of the conversation when the American peasant has revealed his illiteracy and is lowering himself to claiming upper crust Europeans are Jews. Silas, I never claimed they came to America as slaves. Reread my point. >>24544075
It's an analogy for how the Jews came to Europe. Aristocrats have fucking papers that list Jewish moneylenders and their children as their private property. That's why aristocracy rarely has "they are taking over the world" as a talking point for antisemitism. They always talk about a lack of Christianity and impure Oriental blood, because it would be like an American descended from slave owners claiming that black people are controlling him

>>24544106
>i know the countries you speak of
>i never claimed to know them
low tier would be historian and a temporarily republicanized aristocrat to boot

>>24544123
You mentioned that you know of cases in Germany and Poland. If this was the case, you know that Germany as we know it was previously split into many states and that the territory of Poland has frequently changed hands. I am asking you to point out which of the literally tens of thousands of knights in Poland and Germany you think are Jews. I offered to look the individuals up in my archive to see if it is true, but you are not giving me anything to prove either way

>>24544075
The "peace agreements" are so terrible for the Palestinians that they're designed to be rejected and paint Palestinians as unreasonable for Western propaganda. Netanyahu knew about the attack with anticipation and yet he let it happen to accomplish his agenda. They bombed the entire place to smithereens yet kill their enemies elsewhere with precision attacks and say they care about the captives. They're Machiavellian which is why they shouldn't be in positions of power in the West. Palestine is how they view non-Jews who get in their way.

>>24544130
i actually only name dropped spain and "netherlands" but thank you for acknowledging history

>>24544120
So they were part of serfdom, just in a manner which gave them financial power (after originally coming for mercantile and subversive religious designs in the falling Roman Empire.)

>>24544120
Are you the Czech anon from other threads? Or was it Croatian? I remember your love for Jews and Israel. In any case, speaking of today, would you say they have an undue influence in Western politics? How did they go from being pseudo-slaves to telling the most powerful country in the world what to do?

>>24544106
>pearl clutching over incels
You are either a kike or a redditor, probably both, either way neck yourself shlomo.