Have any feminist women (AFAB) or just women written seriously about enjoying rape? Have any men?

Not like some smut, but a serious, thoughtful consideration. Or even an admission?

>>24539292 (OP)
Read Kristeva on abjection.

Enjoying rape is an oxymoron. By definition rape is unwanted. That’s why rape fantasies don’t make sense

>>24539799
>it's unwanted therefore you can't enjoy it
this one time I wanted to stay home and do nothing all day. my friends called, I really didn't want to hang out with them I didn't want to interact with anyone at all but I did because I felt obligated. I enjoyed that day and every unwanted interaction too.
how do you explain this "oxymoron"??

>>24539799
Lacan uses the term Enjoi which is exactly the same as the term Enjoy. And many women both Enjoi and Enjoy rape. Women are not individuals, they are inherently borderline. People who are not truly people fantasise about being properly made not-people by having sense raped into them. Are you new to human sexuality?

>>24539292 (OP)
I've written about it

women could enjoy rape on the offchance that it's done by chad and/or blamed on the woman by the society surrounding her, it's all about conditions unironically and one of the important lessons about what nietzsche thought truth was, it isn't something set in stone, remember women tolerated sex without orgasms till some cultural revolution changed that

>>24539799
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>>24539862
OP here, I don't think women usually enjoy rape. I have just heard of rare instances. It seems to be extremely unlikely, but possible.

>>24540019
People are normally shocked when their fantasies are fulfilled. But they're fantasies because they reinforce the personality.

Most people get over rape easily.

I know I did both times.

>>24539799
The explanation is they lie about their own passions to spare their minds unsavory truths
It's simply a matter of the ones who glibly voice the paradox being too stupid or careless to have the sense to keep it to themselves
>>24539845
Easily: apples and oranges

>>24539292 (OP)
The rape fantasy has little to do with rape and everything to do enjoying sex without shame or guilt. Woman who enjoy sex are demonized but societies. Also women were and still are socialized to prioritize the pleasure of men over their own, this is why they lie and fake orgasms and allow the selves to get abused in the bed room by porn addicted male acting out violent fantasies in a hopeful attempt of achieving an orgasm. With rape fantasies their relationship with sex is simplifed and woman can simply enjoy being desired by the man of their choosing and surrender to the wild lust of a men who wants to claim them and the focus for once is shifted onto the woman being focus and being 'forced' to enjoy sex.

Real rape is the last thing a woman wants , and people are alway quick to assume orgasms = enjoyable when it's simply a physical reaction to stimulus.

>>24539799
The fantasy makes sense because it's the idea of being dominated, used, sexually overwhelmed, maybe even bound or manhandled, but within the safety of it being a fantasy/RP. It's not uncommon for men to have similar fantasies. But the "fantasy" part is key, which gives the woman control over the conditions and who the "rapist" is. Incels fail to understand this when seething about why it's wrong to rape even though many women have rape fantasies.

>>24539292 (OP)
"rape fantasies" aren't fantasies (usually) about actually being dragged into a dark alley and raped, they're fantasies about being overpowered, violated, manhandled, objectified, etc. Virtually no women ACTUALLY want to be raped by 38yo Trevor the construction worker with a beer belly and patchy stubble while walking home alone after a night out. But it is surprisingly common to get off to the idea of inviting 28yo Xavier with veiny arms and a thick cock into your apartment "just for one drink" and you start kissing and he just takes control even if you protest, which is very different. How this actually plays out IRL is that you meet with the woman beforehand, go over boundaries/safewords/whatever the fuck, and then you do an intense scene where she's pretending to squirm away while you pound her like you hate her, maybe slap her around a bit, general rough sex shit except she's squealing "noooooo, stopppp" etc. But both of you understand that it's a realization of a fantasy and you're not actually raping her and she's not actually getting raped. source: done this before

More broadly, rape fantasies are much, much more common in women than men, which is a real thorn in the side of any anti-porn feminist. You'd be surprised at how many women find the vague idea hot. A smaller proportion find it very hot and masturbate to it, a still smaller proportion would do it but don't want to go through the trouble of actually setting it up, and the smallest proportion would actually do it. That last division is uncommon, but not so rare as to be a once-in-a-lifetime thing. I'd estimate like... 2-3 in a 100, somewhere around there. But she's got to really trust you and you can't give off "actual rapist" vibes. So most of you faggots are disqualified.

Nothing about men enjoying rape?

>>24541036
I want to be raped by 38yo Trevor the construction worker with a beer belly and patchy stubble while walking home alone after a night out :*(

>>24541036
>More broadly, rape fantasies are much, much more common in women than men, which is a real thorn in the side of any anti-porn feminist.
you can tell this by how women always say porn is about rape but go to any porn site and all the top rated videos will just be some shit where a chick with fake tits fucks a guy on the balcony of a mansion. idk where women are seeing all this rape porn? oh right, it's in their books.

>>24541341
Post your tits or you're a man.

>>24541355
Remember the whole Fifty Shades of Gray thing from a while back? Yeah. Will say that more extreme porn communities on twitter/reddit that center on heavy misogyny, male supremacy, anti-feminism, rape fantasy, CNC shit etc have sizeable female presence; not the majority but like, a quarter? a third at most? which is WAY more than conventional porn

>>24540041
Are you biologically male or female? Do you care to expand on your experiences for the purpose of the thread?

>>24541036
>How this actually plays out IRL is that
She says she's into CNC, fails to explore it, when you push gently to open up the area and context she retreats. And she does this until she gets bored years later of loving sex in a marriage like situation and leaves. Why? Because she actually wants to be raped, she doesn't want Xavier articulating the fantasy as traversal, she wants Trevor to actualise the content of the fantasy and by enacting it abandon it. source: done this before

People capable of articulating their fantasy as a fantasy for repeated traversal aren't actually structured by a rape fantasy: they have a "pseudo-rape sexual scenario" which gets them off like French Maid costume, be quiet the kids are asleep, or Holiday in Paris. Actual rape fantasies structure the basis of being and allow for the personality to continue existing despite its primary trauma.

Most women, even the ones who will do CNC properly, are still structured by a rape fantasy as a way to deal with their double lack of possession of a phallus: they lack even the pretend phallus that the Man who thinks he ought to become the Father can pretend to imagine he has.

>>24541040
>Nothing about men enjoying rape?
Solves their fear of castration.

>>24541660
Wat

>>24541413
Almost every chick I know has read 50 Shades and exactly zero think it was hot. I'm convinced the whole thing was a brilliant marketing psyop.

>>24542259
>exactly zero think it was hot
Lol they're lying dipshit

>>24542259
Maybe you only attract COLD FISH, buddy

>>24542259
Because it wasn't allowed to be "hot", it was a product designed for the mainstream. The thing women were expecting wasn't there, they wanted their own "porn", like men have, but it was all a marketing stunt.
The rape fantasy is predominant in female psyche because of certain elements pertaining to their sensibilities, like drama, tough men put on test, love against all odds, "can love bloom in a battle-field?" and all those convoluted cringy plot driven mind games. Men don't have that sophistication level of "preferences" on porn, and they don't care about "plot sex".
Women want drama, and drama+sex can only lead to sex + violence as a conflict to be solved in a satisfactory resolution with "sexual consequences"