Thread 24540723 - /lit/ [Archived: 401 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:50:16 PM No.24540723
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Chat gpt gives me better answers to questions than you guys, no matter what question i ask it.

Yes, reading fiction has been shown to improve empathy — but with some nuance.


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What the Research Says

Multiple psychological studies suggest that reading fiction — especially literary fiction — can enhance empathy, theory of mind, and emotional intelligence.

Key findings:

Fiction exercises your "theory of mind" — the ability to understand other people's beliefs, desires, and emotions.

A famous 2013 study by Kidd & Castano (published in Science) showed that reading literary fiction (vs. nonfiction or genre fiction) temporarily improved performance on tests measuring empathy and social perception.

Immersive fiction helps readers practice perspective-taking, especially when characters are complex and morally ambiguous.
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Why Fiction Helps

1. You mentally simulate other people’s lives.
You’re forced to imagine their thoughts, emotions, and reactions.


2. You experience diverse perspectives.
Fiction often places you in the shoes of people very different from yourself — across cultures, genders, backgrounds.


3. You slow down and reflect.
Unlike fast media, reading requires attention and internal processing — which reinforces emotional nuance.
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Caveats

Not all fiction helps equally:

Literary fiction (e.g., character-driven, emotionally complex stories) is more effective.

Genre fiction (e.g., action, romance, thrillers) has less consistent effects unless it deeply explores character psychology.


Long-term effects depend on:

How deeply you engage

How often you read

Whether you reflect on what you’ve read


Watching high-quality films or series with strong storytelling may also offer similar benefits, though reading still encourages deeper internal processing.
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Summary

Claim True? Notes

Reading fiction improves empathy Yes Especially literary fiction
All fiction is equally effective No Depth and quality matter
It has lasting effects Possibly Depends on engagement and frequency
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Let me know if you’d like a list of fiction books known to build empathy or broaden perspective — I can tailor it to your tastes (sci-fi, historical, psychological, etc.).
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:50:53 PM No.24540726
Great question — it seems like reading fiction would automatically build empathy, but not everyone experiences that effect, and here’s why:


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Why Fiction Doesn’t Always Build Empathy

1. Shallow or passive reading

If someone reads just for entertainment or escape, they might not emotionally engage with the characters.

Skimming or bingeing without reflecting = less emotional connection.

Empathy grows through perspective-taking, not just exposure.


> Example: Someone can read a war novel and focus only on the action, ignoring the emotional trauma of the characters.
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2. Low engagement or identification

If the reader doesn’t relate to or care about the characters, the emotional impact is muted.

Cognitive empathy (understanding others) and emotional empathy (feeling with them) require intentional connection.
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3. Pre-existing personality or worldview

People with high narcissism, alexithymia (difficulty recognizing emotions), or very rigid worldviews may resist empathizing.

In some cases, reading about suffering or difference can reinforce biases instead of breaking them, especially if the reader is emotionally detached or dismissive.
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4. Type of fiction

Plot-driven or superficial fiction might not explore inner lives in depth.

Satirical, ironic, or morally ambiguous works may require advanced interpretation skills to draw out empathy.
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5. Reader’s intent matters

Reading fiction doesn’t work like medicine — it’s not the act alone, but how you process it.

If someone reads purely to critique, analyze, or detach, empathy isn’t guaranteed.
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Analogy:

Reading fiction is like watching someone cry.

If you stop to ask why they’re crying, what they’re feeling, and how you’d feel in their place, you build empathy.

But if you just note that “someone is crying,” and move on — nothing changes inside you.
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Summary

Reason empathy may not develop Why

Passive or disengaged reading No emotional investment
Reader doesn't relate No personal connection
Personality traits Lack of openness or emotional awareness
Type of fiction Shallow, one-dimensional characters
Intent Not seeking to understand, just to consume
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So yes — fiction has the potential to grow empathy, but it depends on the reader’s mindset, the material, and how they engage with it.

Want a reading list designed to push emotional perspective-taking? I can recommend some based on what you like.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:52:35 PM No.24540733
Nobody asked you to post here
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:57:55 PM No.24540747
>>24540733
Great question — generating genuine, original discussion on 4chan’s /lit/ board is tough, and it’s not just you. There are structural and cultural reasons why it feels that way:


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1. Anonymity favors repetition and trolling

4chan's anonymous format makes it easy for people to:

Recycle the same memes, bait, or contrarian takes

Troll without consequences

Avoid building reputation or accountability


There’s no incentive to think deeply or engage sincerely, especially when shitposting gets more replies than effortposts.


> Result: Nuanced or original threads get drowned by sarcasm, bait, or derailment.
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2. The board is caught in a loop of its own meta

/lit/ has developed its own canon of memes:

"Start with the Greeks"

“Infinite Jest is a meme”

"Read more"

“Nietzsche is reddit-tier”


These references dominate the discourse and often short-circuit real engagement.

Many threads become self-referential or ironic, making serious discussion
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:01:01 PM No.24540756
3. Low signal-to-noise ratio

Quality discussion does happen — but it's buried under:

Shitposts

Low-effort threads

Spam or off-topic culture war stuff


Good threads often get little traction or die quickly unless they hit just the right tone or reference point.


> The board doesn’t reward quality — it rewards provocation or familiarity.
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4. Cynicism & irony dominate the tone

Earnest posts are often mocked or ignored.

A sincere, exploratory question (“What do you think Nietzsche really meant here?”) often gets:

“Read more”

“Kill yourself”

Or just a pepe image and silence
> The tone often punishes curiosity and rewards detachment.
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5. No persistent community = no buildup of discourse

Unlike Reddit, Discord, or a forum, 4chan threads disappear quickly.

There’s no memory, no karma, no user history.

So people don’t build on past conversations — it’s like Groundhog Day, forever.


> Even thoughtful users don’t stick around long enough to sustain depth.
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TL;DR – Why it's hard to have real discussion on /lit/:

Problem Effect

Anonymity No accountability, lots of trolling
Meme culture Repetitive, ironic tone kills sincerity
Thread churn No continuity or incentive to go deep
Cynical environment Earnest discussion gets mocked
No community identity No social incentive to be thoughtful
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That said:

Gems do appear — especially in slower threads or during off-peak hours.

If you’re really craving smart literary talk, you’ll have better luck on niche forums, book Discords, or even parts of Reddit like r/literature or r/AskAcademia.


Would you like recs for high-quality online communities for deep lit discussions?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:06:24 PM No.24540912
>>24540723 (OP)
Sure, you can leave this board and start talking with reddit and JewGPT.
But then good luck only getting recommended books by black female gay authors and Jews.
If you want opinions on books that are political you will probably only get left-wing and pro-immigration answers. Everything that is close to capitalism or aristocracy is basically the devil and democracy and communism are basically perfect.
Camus is the deepest and best philosopher and Nietzsche was basically the nigger-eating-devil. Marx was a genius and Wagners works are shit because he disliked them coin-clippers.

The problem that ChatGPT has is that it only takes the reddit opinion from reddit and other left-wing echo chambers and gives it to you. Don't get me wrong. I don't dislike left-wing people per se. Nowadays most of them are just naive fools that destroy most online discussion about politics. They dislike complete philosophical system because one thinker allegedly said something homophobic. Most of the sources form ChatGPT are just shallow readers that just read to post somewhere how intellectual they are. A few subreddits are worth visiting but most are shit.

4chan may be stupid at times but here are many gems and many good recommendations. Far more than I have ever found on reddit or ChatGPT. If you hate it here, just leave my man. Hope you find what you like.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:09:31 PM No.24540918
>Anon discovers researching
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:14:30 PM No.24540933
kys
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:26:11 PM No.24540969
>>24540912
Nietzsche is one of the most fascinating, provocative, and misunderstood philosophers in history — and my "thoughts" on him are rooted in how influential, radical, and challenging his ideas are. Here's a breakdown of why he matters and how to approach him:


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What Makes Nietzsche Interesting:

1. He challenged everything — morality, religion, philosophy itself

Nietzsche wasn't interested in building a neat system. He wanted to:

Expose the hidden motives behind morality (e.g., guilt, resentment)

Criticize Christian values as life-denying

Question truth itself as a human construction


> He doesn’t hand you answers — he forces you to confront your assumptions.
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2. Famous ideas that shook Western thought:

Concept Meaning

God is dead Not literally — it means that traditional religious beliefs no longer guide modern life, and we haven’t replaced them with anything meaningful
Will to power The basic drive in all life is not survival or pleasure, but to grow, dominate, and express strength
Master vs. slave morality Strong, creative individuals (master morality) are held down by collective, guilt-based moral systems (slave morality)
Übermensch (Overman) A person who creates their own values and lives beyond herd morality — not a dictator, but an ideal of radical individual strength
Eternal recurrence Would you live your exact life over and over forever? If not, why are you living it now? A test of values and meaning
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Why Nietzsche is misunderstood:

He’s often quoted out of context by people who haven’t read him

He wrote in a poetic, aphoristic style, not step-by-step arguments

His ideas were misused by fascists (like the Nazis), even though he hated antisemitism and nationalism


> Nietzsche was against herd thinking of all kinds — including religion, socialism, and blind nationalism.
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Why Nietzsche still matters today:

Challenges you to create your own values in a world with no inherent meaning

Helps people confront existential questions head-on — without sugarcoating

Critiques mass culture, conformity, victimhood, and moral laziness
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Nietzsche is not for everyone:

He doesn’t offer comfort — he offers clarity through fire

His work can sound elitist, harsh, or cold, if misunderstood

But for many, he’s a wake-up call — not a guide, but a mirror
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TL;DR: What do I think of Nietzsche?

Brilliant, dangerous, and essential

A philosopher who forces you to think for yourself

Not a system-builder, but a value-destroyer — so you can rebuild


> Read him if you’re ready to question everything — and don’t expect easy answers.
Want a guide to which of his books to read first, or a summary of Beyond Good and Evil or Thus Spoke Zarathustra?