Thread 24545027 - /lit/ [Archived: 246 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/13/2025, 3:37:38 AM No.24545027
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What am I in for? I feel a little nervous... i-it's so big...
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 3:48:01 AM No.24545040
>>24545027 (OP)
>What am I in for?
Fecal incontinence and parasitical infections.
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 3:51:39 AM No.24545048
I advise taking it slow at first and just absorb as many references as you can and research the ones that interest you most. A plot summary can help you catch some of the finer details but I think it is a book to be reread even more than most; many small connections I think are meant to be noticed naturally and effortlessly.
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 3:55:42 AM No.24545059
>>24545027 (OP)
It is essentially your standard big, ambitious first novel which falls into all the traps such novels tend to fall into; overly ambitious, lack of focus, inconsistent style, not trusting their writing/the reader, etc, but it weirdly feels consistent and focused as long as you don't look too closely which makes it slightly easier to deal with than most big, ambitious, first novels.
>>24545040
I don't remember that at all? Who did that happen too?
>>24545048
References don't matter in the slightest, Gaddis has Wyatt explain most everything away in his speeches. If you need to review summaries you really should just be taking notes instead.
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 8:36:03 AM No.24545468
>>24545027 (OP)
spirit seeing and yaoi baiting
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 8:54:27 AM No.24545506
>>24545059
"standard, big, ambitious, first novel"
and what large swath of these are you referring to exactly? to my mind those are quite rare, considering the "first novel" part; care to name others?
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 8:58:26 AM No.24545515
>>24545506
He didn't say they were common, just that it fell into all the traps that most such novels fall into. Broom of the System and V. come to mind for other examples.
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 9:02:26 AM No.24545521
>>24545027 (OP)
Super inconsistent. No real coherent plot. Vague and dull plot about "art forgery" but you're going to find it going something morw like "blah blah Otto blah blah Cigarette blah blah Valentine blah blah" and then all of a sudden they'll hit you with a barrage of esoteric latin phrases and random french dialogue. Personally, it is one of the worst books I've ever read.
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 9:03:53 AM No.24545526
>>24545515
both of those are half the length of R, and the use of the word "standard" implies a prevalence of such; you'd be hard pressed to find another debut novel this length that has any status of being read/known
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 9:06:41 AM No.24545529
>>24545515
>It is essentially your standard big, ambitious first novel
But that's what he said.
There is no such standard now. Much less back then.
>>24545521 (you)
Here
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 9:10:46 AM No.24545540
>>24545526
He didn't say anything about length, he just said big and ambitious first novel. I think you may have been triggered. Either way, length on its own means nothing, why not address something else other than this superficial aspect?
>>24545529
He clearly meant standard in the sense of big and ambitious, not standard as in standard first novel, hence the "big" and "ambitious" modifiers. Throwing in a (you) to make it out like I am same fagging suggests you are aware of this and are >24545526 samfagging and trying to hide it.
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 9:14:03 AM No.24545543
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one of my favorite books. i had no idea so many fucking people were so damn stupid here.
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 9:15:32 AM No.24545550
>>24545540
>I think you may have been triggered.
That's certainly the point of this thread.
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 9:18:39 AM No.24545553
>>24545550
You are probably a retarded. Not judging.
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 9:21:00 AM No.24545557
>>24545027 (OP)
Needs to be edited down 25-50%. An unbearable slog at times
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 9:23:23 AM No.24545562
>>24545027 (OP)
You're straight up not going to remember seventy percent of what you read. But the opening chapter alone is the best thing ever written. It's worth reading and re-reading.
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 9:28:26 AM No.24545574
>>24545562
Seventy percent of the novel is repetition and not difficult to remember. Did you drop it after the first chapter?
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 10:10:15 AM No.24545635
>the pointless South American sections
>the tedious party scenes
>that weird butler
>>24545557
This guy gets it.
The โ€˜Great American Novelโ€™ and its consequences have been a disaster for American fiction. So anxious to see if he could include everything he never stopped to think if he should
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 10:17:27 AM No.24545648
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lmao, retards.
>da book too big, grog confused by complexity and richness of reference
i'm amazed you idiots can feed and clothe yourselves.
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 9:15:58 PM No.24547113
>>24545027 (OP)
that's what she said
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 9:23:03 PM No.24547130
I started it today. I learned in the introduction that the rapper Flavor Flav was a fan of this book and read it while touring with Public Enemy. I was surprised he could read like that. I assumed he was only as literate as Floyd Mayweather. And to think this is a character in this novel who wears a clock around his neck...
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 10:48:03 PM No.24547464
Tedious PoMo babble, the worst type of fiction. Unless you think art and identity are super cereal I suggest you steer clear
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 4:09:22 AM No.24548167
>>24547464
There is nothing postmodern about it. It's a gothic take on the big city life
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 4:27:32 PM No.24549321
>>24545027 (OP)
inteo is shit
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:23:21 AM No.24550586
I've finished the first chapter. i think its very well written. i recently had a panic attack while watching a YouTube video about Boschs Garden of Earthly Delights and I had a visceral reaction when he started talking abkut Bosch in this book... I feel weird.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:27:31 AM No.24550592
>>24550586
make sure to read a bit of the annotations online. don't read them while you're reading it, just go back when you're taking a break and browsing. it's invaluable. anyone who pretends they would catch every reference in this novel through simple perseverance is a lying cad.

https://www.williamgaddis.org/recognitions/index.shtml
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:36:52 AM No.24550614
>>24550592
nice, thanks. that must have taken so long to put together...whoever did it must really love this novel.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:40:04 AM No.24550622
>>24550614
i think a lot of the credit goes to stephen moore, who himself is a fantastic literature researcher. if you ever want to find great maximalist tomes, he's your man, he wrote many of those annotations (with help from others obviously)
but also entire books about maximalist literature, the history of the novel, and sort of brandishes the torch for what is largely considered a dead art (it isn't).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Moore_(author)
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:44:05 AM No.24550629
>>24545521
people who havent read it will think this guy is trolling but he makes some good points
>>24545574
>Seventy percent of the novel is repetition
this guy is right too
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:15:19 AM No.24550690
>>24550629
he may not be trolling, but he has outed himself as a plot fag, so idc about his opinion.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:59:57 PM No.24552246
Maximilism really was the next evolution of the novel. Has it already been done enough? DFW was on the right track with all of his annotations. It's the best way to show how the internet and our ability to research have changed writing. What's next...
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:03:44 PM No.24552257
>>24552246
hypertext was interesting, i like the joyce project
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:19:24 PM No.24552735
>>24550629
he's not trolling, he's just sincerely retarded
dfw would be proud