I'm honestly really impressed with Calvin's commentaries on the Bible. Even if one doesn't agree with him on everything, he's a very astute reader of scripture (especially w/r/t the subtle differences between the gospels). What are you reading anons?

>>24546702 (OP)
I’m not reading any strict theology books at the moment. The priest (Anglican) started a C.S. Lewis book club, and we’re just now finishing The Magicians Nephew. I’ve also been reading a Boswell’s Life of Samuel Johnson, which gets into a lot of Old High Church theology.
Also, I agree about Calvin. His thought is a lot more sophisticated and robust than most modern Calvinists would lead you to believe.

>>24546775
>The priest (Anglican)
ACNA, Continuuum, or actual Anglican?
>C.S.Lewis book club
Make sure not to skip the Space Trilogy desu

>>24546702 (OP)
Miss me with that Rosicrucian order faggotry.

>>24546775
>Also, I agree about Calvin. His thought is a lot more sophisticated and robust than most modern Calvinists would lead you to believe.
A tree is known by its fruit.

>>24546909
>Rosicrucian order faggotry.
What do you mean? Esotericists are an extreme minority of Protestants, present or past.

>>24546820
ACNA
>>24546909
>A tree is known by its fruit
Well that still leaves Calvin looking pretty good compared to everyone else these days.
>>24547154
The Rosicrucians also used the symbol of a cross and a rose, but it’s different from the Lutheran symbol.

>go to reformed church
>expect le based calvinism
>female pastor
>onions church team
I couldn't even laugh. I was crestfallen

>>24546909
rosicrucians came after luther, unless you accept the claims of rosicrucians, which would make you a rosicrucian

>>24547514
Which denom? If it's some PCUSA church, it doesn't count.

>>24546909
>A tree is known by its fruit.
Almost every Christian denomination is fake and gay in the modern world. Just because the Catholic Church keeps rigidly to a few scruples doesn't make them essentially any better, they just seek more loopholes for corruption like supporting LGBT without openly accepting gay marriage. Christian culture, irrespective of sect, rises and falls together and that is obvious to anyone who looks at history.

>>24546702 (OP)
Who are the greatest Puritan theologians and preachers? Do they have any authors with great prose equivalent to Richard Hooker or Jeremy Taylor? I'm interested in the cultural background to Milton's religious beliefs and writings.

>>24547514
Perhaps the church was secretly Anabaptist communist revolutionaries trying to hold everything in common and treat each man as his brother without judgement?

Also once man can read God's word, where will the hermeneutics end? What is meaning without a master-signifier?

>>24548579
John Bunyan was a steel drivin' man.

>>24548582
So are Milton and Bunyan the only Puritans worth reading?

>>24546702 (OP)
Reading Moltmann rn though hes a bit of a dunce

>>24547514
That's what 500 years of jew and jesuit subversion does.

>>24548579
Read Samuel Rutherford.

>>24549446
Interesting recommendation, thank you.

>>24546702 (OP)
Why would you be impressed with that?

>>24547438
He looks terrible

>>24548714
Why is this a common thread with him?

>>24548903
Based Jesuits destroying pr*testantism

Thinking that you should interpret the Bible literally rather than symbolically was utterly retarded

>>24546702 (OP)
Isn't protestantism ontologically illiterate?

>>24548587
How did you come to that conclusion? There are plenty of Puritans worth reading that are very serious writers i.e. Thomas Manton, John Owen, John Trapp

>>24550950
Bro if you think that's what Calvinism is then you're the retarded one

>>24550932
He unironically read lots of german philosophy and decided that pure theology was better. If that alone is not being a dunce what else is

>>24550958
I didn't come to that conclusion, it was a question, because I'd never heard of any other Puritan authors mentioned besides Milton and Byron. Thanks for these recommendations.

I am becoming a Catholic. There are 5 different protestant churches in my city, including 'old-catholic' larpers, anabaptists, reformed, lutheran + orthodox.
All of them are sovlless. The Catholic church even has latin liturgy still

>>24550950
>t. doesn't actually know anything about protestantism
>>24551558
A church doesn't need to have a really fancy liturgy or a nice building as long as they preach Christ crucified, anon.

>>24551558
>old catholics, anabaptists and orthodox are protestant
LOL
>>24551619
99% of the firebrand tradcath/orthos you see online know nothing about Protestantism OR their own denomination. Some of the biggest cases of the Dunning-Kruger effect I’ve ever seen. That’s why priests used to tell recent converts to basically keep quiet on matters of religion until they’ve been a member for at least 5 years or so.

>>24551676
>99% of the firebrand tradcath/orthos you see online know nothing about Protestantism OR their own denomination. Some of the biggest cases of the Dunning-Kruger effect I’ve ever seen.
This. They're just /pol/tards who have seen 'catholic vs protestant church' meme. Type of person to not know that Rembrandt was a Calvinist.

>>24551704
>Urr durr this guy makes paintings/music/sculptures
>he can't be Protestant! Protestants can't be

>>24552011
*creative
Bach and Wagner were both protestant.

>>24551558
>I'm going to the church that gives offerings to statues of creatures because it has "sovl"
Catholics once again prioritizing aesthetics over theology

>>24546702 (OP)
>What are you reading anons?
The Sermons of John Wesley. No hate to my Reformed friends though, we share so much in common (including more aspects of soteriology than one would first imagine)

>>24551676
>anabaptists
>not protestants

>>24552277
NTA but they were part of the extreme fringe of the reformation and normal protestants fucking hated them.

>>24552277
They weren’t. The actual Protestants literally burned them at the stake and repeatedly said they were in greater error than the Church of Rome, even at the height of the pornocracy.

>>24546702 (OP)
Bumping
Is Sproul any good?

>>24547514
>>reformed church
>>female pastor

Retard.

>>24546702 (OP)
>What are you reading anons?
The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstruous Regiment of Women by John Knox.

>>24551704
Prinz Eugene, the vanquisher of turks, the greatest general of the austro-hungarians, was literally a calvinist.


>>24547514
The problem with ALL Protestant Churches is that it lacks any structural rigidity. I am in a reformed Church, and for years I enjoyed the simple high church liturgy. I’ve looked into orthodoxy in the past (due to CK2) and was fascinated by its theology and liturgy. But see no need to jump ship, as Calvinism is correct for me and anathemizing it feels going against myself for no reason but aesthethic. I myself initially have no qualms about a lack of apostolic succesion.
However, my church recently introduced some internal reforms, mostly in regards to church offices such as “deacons”, and I can’t help but feel its all a big LARP. The pastor citing some “random” theologians as authorative figures (while disclaiming that we didin’t fully agree with this figure views) or even secular philosophers started to grate on me. Orthodox hagiography are far superior in my personal opinion. The changes in liturgy, albeit small and not necessarily bad, also highlight the lack of sacredness in the liturgy itself.
I’ve finally went to a local MP Orthodox Church (i live in indog land) and I enjoyed standing there for three hours and only having a vague idea of what is going on. Because its sacred. Talk to the priest afterwards about my reservations of abandoning or even anathemizing predestination (funnily enough a lot of young male inquirers with a calvinist background and their main reservations about orthodoxy is about predestination too, nobody really have a problem about Icons, Mary, or praying to Saints and for the dead) and after looking up online a bit, I surmised that Protestanism (reformed in particular) viewed salvation as union with Christ through legalistic means in the sacrifice and ressurection of Christ. While Orthodoxy, views salvation as Theosis through the mysteries of God, in particular the Eucharist, the flesh and blood of Christ’s sacrifice healing the sin stricken soul. As a protestant, I see no contradiction in reconciling both views, but this is not possible as an orthodox.


Pray for me. Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

>>24548579
>Poetry
Edward Taylor
Michael Wigglesworth
John Milton
William Cowper
>Prose
Jonathan Edwards
Samuel Rutherford
Thomas Watson
John Owen
Thomas Goodwin
John Bunyan

>>24553804
The church is part of a wider protestant grouping created after a fusion but still it is 'reformed'.
Turns out that once you schism, you keep slipperly-sloping

>>24554193
>one you schism, you keep slipperly-sloping
But enough of Catholicism's anti-communism.

What have you done to arm militant Anabaptists to destroy Rome and Babylon?

>>24553983
> funnily enough a lot of young male inquirers with a calvinist background and their main reservations about orthodoxy is about predestination too, nobody really have a problem about Icons, Mary, or praying to Saints and for the dead
That seems to make a lot of sense, especially if you're American. American culture - which is pretty much permeated by protestantism - puts a lot of emphasis on free will, individual choice and consequences. Orthodoxy is a little more "hands-off" in this regard.
I'm curious (as a slavic atheist, if that matters) - how heavy on "fire and brimstone" is orthodoxy in the US? I know local orthodox churches and they're a little heavy on submission and "I am god's slave" stuff - but that might well be the fact that the official orthodox church is kind of enslaved to the state where I'm from.

WHICH PROTESTANT DENOMINATION IS RIGHT?
Orthodox-protestantism
Lutheranism
Reformed
Calvinist
Liberal Christianity
Anabaptist
etc?
Seems to be that the most orthodox is right?

>>24554683
Reformed and Calvinist are the same

>>24554683
You don't know what you're talking about.

>>24546702 (OP)
>>24546702 (OP)
>Mainline Protestantism made by a lustful fat monk who made up his own theology to justufy being a lustful fat ex-monk
>Reformed made by a schizo crypto-jew (Calvin) that later devolved into hundreds of crazier and crazier cults
>Anglicanism isnt even worthy to explain why it's a meme

Any ancient apostolic church have more legittimacy that these flavours of Euro cumskins fanfictions "churches"

>>24554907
>Any ancient apostolic church have more legittimacy that these flavours of Euro cumskins fanfictions "churches"
>preferring Nestorians and Miaphysites over "le cringe Protestants"
"Apostolic" larpers once again prioritizing vibes over doctrine

>finds Truth itself in an age of larpers and frauds
>reforms God's Church
how did he do it when all the others failed?

>>24555380
He read Augustine

So, at the present day, not only the unlearned vulgar, but those who are most inflated with worldly wisdom, are universally and wonderfully captivated with the pomp of ceremonies. Hypocrites and silly women think it impossible to imagine any thing more beautiful or excellent. But those who examine more minutely, and judge with more accuracy, according to the rule of piety, respecting the real value of those numerous ceremonies, perceive, in the first place, that they are frivolous, because they have no utility; and in the next place, that they are delusive, because they deceive the eyes of the spectators with empty pomp. I speak of those ceremonies under which, the Roman doctors contend, are concealed great mysteries, but which, on examination, we find to be mere mockeries. And it is not to be wondered at, that the authors and advocates of them have fallen into such folly as to delude both themselves and others with contemptible absurdities; because they have taken their model in some things from the reveries of the heathen, and in others, without any judgment, have imitated the ancient rites of the Mosaic law, which were no more applicable to us than the sacrifices of animals and other similar ceremonies. Indeed, if there were no argument besides, yet no man in his senses would expect any thing good from such a heterogeneous compound. And the fact itself plainly demonstrates, that numerous ceremonies have no other use than to stupefy the people, instead of instructing them. So hypocrites attach great importance to those novel canons, which overturn discipline rather than preserve it; for on a more accurate investigation, they will be found a mere shadow of discipline, without any reality.

>>24555987
It occurs to me that children are probably better off growing in a theology heavy calvinist education, especially in the age if SCIENCE!!! but lives the rest of their adult life as orthodox. Prot church liturgy just becomes a big LARP at some point.

>>24546702 (OP)
pilgrims progress

>>24546702 (OP)
I recently finished Volume2 of the biography of one of the great Lutheran princes of the Reformation: John Frederick the Magnanimous.
History or theology, what other Lutheran literature would anyone recommend. I’ve read most of the Book of Concord. I also bought a few years ago The Conservative Refomation by Charles Krauth but have been putting off reading it since it is a very large book.

>church order ordains women
>still teaches calvinism
>has plenty of young people
Do I compromise, or go to a different church order? My particular church doesnt ordain woman, but the order does

>>24552281
>>Anabaptists
>they were part of the extreme fringe of the reformation and normal protestants were and are literally the tools of satan in this world
FTFY. Garotte the last bishop with the guts of the last prince.

>>24557421
>My particular church doesnt ordain woman, but the order does
You just confused congregation and church mate.

>>24557536
In my language we use 'church' for the building and community in abstracto. Very strange to call it congregation.
Anyhow where I go to church are no female pastors, but they have allowed their ordination by the larger church order

>>24557559
In English "Church" normally means a polity whose clergy can administer an undifferentiated series of rites in any congregation: ie, Friday Dinner with the Boys down the Kebab Shop with some Piss Up, this is my body, eat of me, this is my blood, drink of me, NO FUCKING PORK KEBABS I AM A LAMB.

If you can't have supper with each other: you're different churches.

A congregation is a particular group of worshippers who commonly meet in memory of a palestinian armed militant chippie and have supper together.

For example: Anglicanism is a Church, it is ruled by Bishops through consensus on God's action. Anglicanism is in partial communion with some Orthodoxies. Some Anglican congregations have women priests, other Anglican congregations would not tolerate women priests for cultural issues, despite the Church's rule that women can be priests.

Anglicanism is neither Lutherian or Calvinist remember, but has a common statement of principles that is quasi compatible with the piss-weak Prince's reformation.

>>24546702 (OP)
Cringe