Is Hamlet great precisely BECAUSE it doesn't have the most orderly narrative thrust? TS Eliot calls the play a mess, but is that actually part of its appeal?

There's a lot of fuckups and shit hitting the fan in Hamlet. Lots of disorder. Isn't that part of why we like it? A bit of "how like life" sort of thing. Hamlet feels like a tragedy that could happen in real life, and happen to any of us. In this way it is very Modern, and I actually think Bloom is on to something in his idea that Shakespeare invented the Modern human.

>>24547465 (OP)
>Bloom is on to something in his idea that Shakespeare invented the Modern human.
Stephen was the one harping on about Hamlet all the time you dumbfuck. Bloom was too busy fantasising about being dominated by the actress playing Hamlet. And I'm sure his argument wasn't inventing the "Modern human" or whatever the fuck, that sounds retarded.

>>24547476
Not OP, but that’s exactly what Bloom meant.

>>24547465 (OP)
It’s too long and overrated.

>>24547499
>ctrl-f "modern human"
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>>24547476
Nigga he's not talking about Ulysses, he's talking about Harold Bloom

>>24547529
And why would anyone care what that fat jew has to say about anything? Read established authors' essays. Swinburne (he did a study on Shakespeare), James, Mann, Gass. Not some dry academic.

>>24547557
Why would anyone care? I didn't say they did man, I was just correcting you. I hate Harold Bloom.

>>24547557
You take that back. HB is patron saint of /lit/

>>24547465 (OP)

>Is Hamlet great precisely BECAUSE it doesn't have the most orderly narrative thrust?
Hamlet is great for lots of reasons, not just this one, or even predominantly this one. That said, the strange twists and turns and semi-randomness are a feature, not a bug, for sure.

>TS Eliot calls the play a mess
I could kill T. S. Eliot with one strike. It's amazing how much better /lit/ anons are than mild-mannered Anglo-American poet-critics.

>but is that actually part of its appeal?
Yes.

>There's a lot of gratuitous bad language and random excitement in Hamlet. Lots of disorder. Isn't that part of why we like it?
Yes.

>A bit of "how like life" sort of thing.
We're on 4chan. We don't like life. But yes.

>Hamlet feels like a tragedy that could happen in real life, and happen to any of us.
Yes.

>In this way it is very Modern
Hmm. Maybe, to some extent. Other Elizabethan / Jacobean drama did this too. The idea of a story taking bizarre turns wasn't invented in Pulp Fiction.

>and I actually think Bloom is on to something in his idea that Shakespeare invented the Modern human.
Bloom had some sensible opinions and some stupid opinions and some sensible opinions that he pushed way too far. “Shakespeare inventing the modern human” comes in the last category.

>>24547465 (OP)
The play isn't a mess, it reads like a Scholastic lecture on epistemology. So yeah it is a mess, but that is part of the irony of an epistemic tragedy that can only be solved by phenomenological action. Talk to mummy, stab the curtains, OH! Daddy isn't in Mummy's curtains!

Learn to fucken read. Hamlet being a University Student is an essential part of his flaw.

>>24547465 (OP)
>Shakespeare invented the Modern human.
Was Hamlet the first manlet?

>>24548515
>Was Hamlet the first manlet?
No: he fucked plenty of bitches immen den Wittemberg & refused to fuck the serving girl at home. Polish Pussy > danish cunt.

>>24547465 (OP)
>TS Eliot calls the play a mess
almost every Shakespeare play is a mess plot wise.

>Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
>The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
>Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
>And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep;
I don't get it, is Hammy saying that it's better to just lay down and accept whatever you cope is your "fate" rather than live?

>>24548697
It is an academic explorative comparative: he isn't saying either is correct, he is exploring. Is his dad a ghost or a dDEEEEEEEOMN?

>>24547465 (OP)
>analyzing Hamlet's plot
holy fucking airball

>>24547465 (OP)
Eliot was terribly pedantic. That’s why his criticism, for all its intelligence and culture, misses the mark
Bloom was a very emotional person, a mediocre writer, a fat Jew as an anon has mentioned, but delightful in his way.
Enthusiasm always wins

>>24548752
Shitting inside you are your mum's cunt always wins, at 90 PSI

seriously bros, is the "hamlet attacked and kidnapped by pirates" crucial to anything? Feels like if that subplot is dropped nobody would even notice.