Esoteric Kantianism
2022-2025 RIP

I'll never forget you Empathchan

>>24548154 (OP)
It's over anon, they've already forgotten about you...............................................

So whats the next Esoteric (author)ianism we are going to do?

>>24548230
Exoteric rhizomatic Bersonianism

>>24548230
I came up with Esoteric Wodehousianism recently. Still uncertain what I mean by it. I also attempted Esoteric Dickensianism, but could finish the novel (The Pickwick Papers).

I guess I'm not made for literature.

>>24548230
Esoteric analytic philosophy

>>24548154 (OP)
>Mfw Trump didn't complete the system of german idealism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOk6HB609po

>>24548154 (OP)
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>>24548956
Ressurect the dead philosophers as esoteric and see who still makes it!

>>24548230
esoteric dickism

>mfw esoteric (philosopher)ism is just Heideggerean analysis on pre-post modern structures
>no picrelated

>>24548256
>Esoteric Wodehousianism
I think I've seen it all now

>>24548941
Time to show the controonental niggers who owns this fucking board

>>24549270
what a grotesque human being

>>24548230

Do any of you niggas remember Kantbot before he lost it

>>24550574
>kantbot... lost it
>went from incel neet to success w wife
Does not compute

>>24550574
Marcus Herz purportedly had to force himself to stop reading Kant out of fear. There was also a playwright named Kleist or something who had a breakdown after reading Kant and that may have contributed to his suicide. The system is unlikely to ever be completed.

If you remain in the pure manifold for too long then you do risk losing it but you won't know it. If you opt for judgement resolution you may not even care. Most readers are filtered and never make it to the pure manifold. Some get there but they develop a headcannon, this guy probably falls into that category. He probably tossed his online presence and left the grid.

If you can stay in the pure manifold long enough to lose the duration effects then you won't be able to tell if you did or did not lose it. You will have to rely on the portions of rationality that make it through the scepticism without knowing. This is how you're active intelligence evolves.

>>24549270
This shit is painfully unfunny. Tries way too hard at being edgy to cover up being actually retarded.

I guess you read my reccs. It's ok, we all have to grow up sometime.

>>24550666
you just don't get it

>>24550653
>the pure manifold
Kant's entire point was that you can't perceive the pure manifold because insofar as you do, you aren't conscious of it. I had a phase of trying to use hypnotic and esoteric techniques to see 'beneath' space and time. it doesn't work.

>>24550759
Schelling to be exact

>>24550767
>it doesn't work.
get out of here with your empirically derived and contingent proposition.

>>24550767
>Kant's entire point was that you can't perceive the pure manifold because insofar as you do, you aren't conscious of it.
pffh normie mind

>>24550777
kants claims about consciousness were also contingent given that he had to experience certain facts about human perception in order to abstract his notions of space and time in the first place, what propositions exactly do you think are not contingent about consciousness? I assume you're just saying in an autistic way that the only reason I think it doesn't work is because I personally failed or didn't try hard enough. But even though I have long rejected Kant, it is still clear that consciousness exists only because it constructs perceptions and a symbolic order , i.e. the perception of the body and sense perception through space, time, and so on, and the imaginations of words and symbols and use of the form of time of time to representations internal processes and truths, and that to abolish any of these in their entirety would be to ensure that you will not remember anything about what you may have experienced after they were abolished.

>>24550759
Yea it actually caused me a sort of existential crisis. I'm actually pretty suicidal right now.

>>24550781
>RIP esoteric kantianism
>already back to shilling its retardation in the same thread
I hope that the next time esoteric kantianism ends it's for real.

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>>24550789
>kants claims about consciousness were also contingent given that he had to experience certain facts about human perception in order to abstract his notions of space and time in the first place,
tsk tsk tsk

*taps the sign*
>though all our knowledge begins with experience, it by no means follows, that all arises out of experience.

You guys too easy.

>>24550791
mf didn't even wait the three days

>>24550798
Kant's own gay statement isn't enough to refute what I said. The fact that Kant didn't deny that other organisms than humans could theoretically possess other forms of intuitions, already proves that any statement about, e.g. space and time being our only two intuitions, is necessarily contingent; and thus, so is everything which he derives from this.

>>24550767
You keep looking for esoteric answers. Return to the metaphysics.

>>24550790
keep hammering on kantanon

>>24549930
I'm with my eyes on you, Gemistos

>>24551544
Leave ek alone, everyone has to realize it eventually.

>still have to do math but you'll never know anything
>occasionally you have to remind people noumena can't be known but noumena goblins are still out there
>it doesn't matter if the ai take over if the end of society still happens

I suppose all parties to that spectrum meme have an agreement. What are you pretending to know?

what are the bounds of time to an esoteric Kantian

>>24549270
That's funny

>>24549930
>invents modernity
>invents nationalism
>invents secularized larp "religion"
that man is a veritable fiend

esoteric hidwism (aka prometheist vitalism) is the true completion of german idealism

kantanon's discussion of the autistic-schizophrenic method ultimately refer to two different tendencies in western thought in reaction to noumena. schizophrenic synthesis can be seen most rationally in the german idealist tendency towards wissenschaft which attempts to order various forms within a broader system that is both a priori and a posteriori. what is crucial about this form of systematic thought is that what gets elaborated at the end of the day is the Concept (Begriff). Begriff isn't just some abstract collection of contingently related elements, but rather an unfolding totality which resonates with the neo-platonic notion of Eternity which emphasizes the interpenetration of the elements within the nous. actually, hegel explicitly talks about Eternity at the end of the phenomenology of spirit. sadly the british idealists and negarestani has ignored the deeper connection. meanwhile bergson's concept of duration is really another instantiation of the Eternity concept, but this time the connection to temporality is made even deeper. bergson's approach anticipates a more phenomenological way of approaching this fundamental interconnectivity of the universe. it should be noted that insofar as the wholeness of the Notion is inaccessible to the understanding, it is in some sense noumenal (indeed this is how schopenhauer was able to assert that the noumenon existed while still being able to be grasped as the Will without falling into practical contradiction).

within the german idealist notion of a philosophy of nature, we start to appreciate how within organic life is somehow a revelation of this deeper interconnected substrate. the hidweh follower wishes to tap into this substrate and explore and intuit the vast array of organic forms

on the autistic side of things, we have the approach to the noumenal espoused by deleuze and maimon. in both of these thinkers, the noumenal is intensive or differential. it is grasped in change and delving into finer and finer gradients. there is also an aspect of it that is tied to to energetics. for guattari, the real is accessible to us through partial object that activate us. here a refinement of embodiment engenders deeper intimacy. the concern for gradients is also appreciated in bergson's "virtual action", nietzsche's "will to power", and hegel's "force" (all of these can likely trace their influence back to roger boscovic)

while it seems as though these are two contrary understandings, i ultimately think they are complementary. the holographic interpenetration of the world's elements ensures a superposition of the one and multiple. this was bergson's original concept of multiplicity.

>>24553888
we see this idea also elaborated in chris langan's concepts of hology and syndiffeonesis. synesis corresponds to schizophrenia and diffeonesis corresponds to autism. what follows from this is a symbiosis whereby exploring finer gradients may reveal subtler fields of formation, while on the flip side exploring subtler forms may point to finer gradations. within my practice, there are two goddesses we deal with. the first is hidweh and the seconds is enannah. they dont precisely correspond to these two methods, but enannah moves more towards the progressive differential deconstruction of all form while hidweh moves more towards the descent into the dimension of atavistic and nascent organic forms.

as i believe i talked about before, occult and contemplative practices are crucial to completing philosophy. there are many reasons for saying this. the first would be the historical perspective, where we recognize that much of philosophy had its origins in the orphic mysteries and was meant to be a tool to prepare the mind for ultimate ascent. in some respects mysticism is an ethical completion of philosophy alongside politics. the second would be a more philosophical physiological perspective. as nietzsche has observed, a lot of our philosophies betray the contingent constitution of our bodies. via meditation and energy work, we may transform our physiology, and so what philosophical ideas seem to make the most sense to us become increasingly refined. a third reason is that in occult practice, we often try and instantiate a phenomenological absence in some provisional presence as a means to further stimulate our consciousness and cause it to above. this is a perspective that peter hamilton-giles elaborates a lot. quoting from ‘(Meta-)Reflecting the Other’:
>The Other, being distinct from the Self who engages in inquiry, disrupts the established field of perception by introducing the problem of absence alongside what is present. It encompasses various forms, such as missing fragments in texts, abandoned places, or individuals who are no longer present. The Other carries an inherent ambivalence – it has the potential to exist but does not necessarily reveal itself, thus embodying both being and non- being
>The Self emerges as an agent of sense- making, equipped with the primary tool of attention, through which specific meanings are discerned amidst the flux of difference. This concept is echoed in Damon Zacharias Lycourinos’ examination of contemporary magic practitioners, who, employing phenomenological methods, emphasise the significance of ritual settings in facilitating a som-atic mode of attention (Lycourinos 2018, 168– 169). As Hamilton- Giles observes, the Self becomes intricately entwined in a dialectical interplay with the Other

>>24553893
the Other can be in this context can be especially understood as a manifestation of the noumenal especially when we lack the means to properly orient around its influences. i think a lot of occult practice involves the both the development of receptivity, but also a refinement of orientation capacity to not get lost

as far as spiritual traditions go, i can list a few that ive been currently thinking about:
>sabbatic witchcraft
i am especially interested in their discussion of incarnating atavistic forms (which relates to the schizophrenic vitalist/organic idealist stream), and the idea of enfleshing magick itself. ive already integrated some of their ideas into what im currently doing but there is much much more work to be done
>energy work
from a d&g perspective this can be seen as a way to sensitize oneself to partial objects. there is also an extended connection to bergsonism and the concept of qi. this comes from the fact that virtual action is akin to gibson's idea of affordance, and gih in a lot of contexts may be read as affordance + orientation. this article elaborates on such a perspective:
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2017.00556/full
>tantra
some forms tantra can actually increase your cortical excitability (i believe ive talked about this before). this can lead to forming radical changes in brain connectivity and perception if harnessed properly
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2665945X22000262
>vipassana
if we follow the practice of noticing and noting elaborated by daniel ingram and mahasi for instance, we are able to experience finer and finer grains of reality as our cortical excitability raises. mediation actually does alter ones flicker fusion threshold, and it can do so to an extreme degree
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6382144/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3132583/
>order of nine angles (unironically)
this concept of the acausal touches on the idea of a integrated wholeness underlying reality. myatt's ramblings about it being a many dimensional space can be read as a recognition of the intensive dimension of the noumenon, following deleuze's reading of riemann's concept of a manifold. a major practice these guys also emphasize is the cultivation of empathy, a sinister empathy, or pathei mathos. this resonates with bergson's association of intuition (for duration) with "sympathy". based off of these deep theoretical resonances with my own thinking, ive thought that some parts of their thinking may be worth taking seriously. i appreciate the synthesis of witchcraft of hermeticism, edgelordism aside

>>24553899
so with all of that rambling, one may ask, ok cool, so do you have any actual practices developed? the answer is yes. ive been developing a grimoire of practices which is something i had talked about a while back. this stuff incorporates a lot of these occult influences in the background while maintaining a meta-awareness that motivates the development of certain practices rather than others.. it would still be a long way to go. i wanted to develop something for attaining a sort of linguistic hyper-savantism but i wanna work more on the fundamentals and maybe attain some sort of divine revelation during hypnagogia or dream that would show me what would be appropriate way of organizing such rituals. anyways..
hidweh grimoire 1.02:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e7oYlrg1ne_eBME3fYbi-SfvFRqq_pZp/view?usp=sharing

solus artus:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l48Kie0_z8xdGELGrvEa1YL2xyCmu4SjGwRtyOM8Xkk/edit?usp=sharing

general info:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQQ7-445TrIYxYztD_nFb8VmDBGiW-IK0bF22DTO585NMu68UW75V7EdXZ79OVLE8uQBWoQrUoWZ_D_/pub

>>24553888
btw 8 = number of hidweh so 888 trips means that it is time to convert

>>24553906
Interdasting poasts. You remind me of younger self. Got discord(ia)? Ha :P

You've read Wisdom for New Flesh right? Supping at angel and feathers? Magickal revival?

Bewareth mania. I detect a graphomania to your posts whatwith lack of caps and idea overflow...

>>24553934
>Got discord(ia)? Ha :P
yyes there is a link in the general info document (do join, i really wish i was a good cult leader or whatever who could encourage more participation, alas..) and my handle is 'sitra.achra'

>You've read Wisdom for New Flesh right? Supping at angel and feathers? Magickal revival?
ive read the magical revival and been reading chumbley's opuscula magica but not the other stuff you've listed. i will check them out, thanks for mentioning them!

>Bewareth mania. I detect a graphomania to your posts what with lack of caps and idea overflow...
lol yeah.. something i do wanna master in this practice would be mania too - inducing it and subduing it manually. overclocking your brain can generate a lot of ideas but it can backfire as well through burnout. there is an energy economy at play there. ive been channeling my graphomania into a biweekly thing on /x/ too:
>https://archive.4plebs.org/x/search/subject/hidweh/

Is there no archive of kantanon??

>>24554698
thankfully not

>>24548230
Blakeposting, it's already esoteric

>>24548246
Lmao

>>24553855
go back to reading Alisdair Macintyre and debating the category theory of the trinity, chud.

>>24548154 (OP)
Incoherent

>>24554698
should there be?

>>24554698
the akashic records

>>24556822
kek true tho

>>24556826
ayyye