Why are there no positive "literally me" characters? It's always someone troubled and deranged like Holden Caulfield or Judge Holden. Why not someone like Nancy Drew?

>why can't I relate to the untroubled and well-ranged
what a conundrum

>>24550408 (OP)
Who has the judge as literally me? Why would someone who had that litterally me think of that character as negative?

But to answer ur question it's cuz ppl are icky. Even the prettiest nicest richest most ethical seeming people are filled with horrible antisocial desires deep down inside. Whether they act on them or not. Even Nancy drew a would be a shit detective without her mosterous side to ally with while following a crime desu

The closest literally me character is dale gribble

>>24550408 (OP)
Dirk Pitt

>>24550417
because it's not cool and doesn't make you feel tough, people always have to believe they have a leg up on other people and are capable of anything

>>24550408 (OP)
Because book readers are troubled and deranged.

i am literally jesus of nazareth
gib suggestions for other positive literally me role models

>>24550472
Mohammad

>>24550408 (OP)
>literally me
>Judge Holden
??

>>24550408 (OP)
You're a terrible catcher in the rye anon. Sometimes they surprise me but you're not likely to. Yeah, why don't you try talking to some positive people.

>>24550408 (OP)
The archetype of the everyman or straight man is in every TV show for you to relate to. But we experience a stronger emotional response when we come into contact with someone who allows us to explore the darkest parts of ourselves which we are otherwise scared by. That's why you probably relate so much to characters from Giovanni's Room or Maurice

>>24550552
That's not me, that's Jamie Schwartz, Holden is his literally me.

No one here has the guts to offer a candidate for a genuinely positive literally me representation I wonder why

>>24550699
Atticus Finch

>>24550408 (OP)
Lawrence of Arabia? The film version has almost the same Napoleon complex as Raskolnikov where he thinks he's some ubermensch who can do anything. He's also an autist outsider who doesn't fit in with either the British troops or the arabs. Plus you can tell he actually hates himself deep down.

>>24550408 (OP)
"Literally me" is a phrase used by losers on the Internet, in case you weren't aware.

>>24550408 (OP)
4chuds didn't get their country's best

>>24550408 (OP)
Leopold Bloom?

Stoner is literally me

>>24550408 (OP)
Positive, well-adjusted people don't have "literally me"s because they have a strong sense of self. They are their own literally me, they are them. People who consider themselves troubled, those who are aloof, disillusioned, or antisocial, often don't know who they really are, so they cling to characters in media that are also aloof and antisocial, looking for answers. So there are no positive "literally me" characters because the sorts of people who say "this character is literally me" are not positive people.
>>24551073
Yeah same

>>24550408 (OP)
He rapes his sister, Phoebe.

>>24550573
Return to the metaphysics and search for literally mes scattered throughout Dostoyevsky.

>>24550408 (OP)
>Why are there no positive "literally me" characters?
This seems entirely like a (You) problem.
>>24550417
fpbp

>>24551127
This makes sense. When I did hallucinogens I would still retain a sense of self. I got derealization and never depersonalization. Once it was revealed to me that myself and God are the only two entities that exist and all of you are merely puppets he put here to make me think life has any meaning as I experience an endless cycle of death and rebirth for eternity just for his amusement because he is more powerful than me.

>>24550942
Only in the Nausicaa and Circe chapters

>>24550408 (OP)
Because the average young man is totally mind-raped for his entire infancy, childhood, and adolescence. He was raised by parents that never prayed, or didn't teach him to; they counted the number of kids they let slip into existence against how many vacations they could take. Likely, their mother stopped breastfeeding them as soon as her employer slightly frowned because having a fractionally bigger house was all that mattered. They then stuffed him in some sunless box with the express purpose of racking up chair time so he could sit in another sunless box to get a big box in the churchless, centerless, hellscapes called the "suburbs" all the while never teaching him morals and letting women lord themselves over him after puberty. College became their only god in his fictional tetrology of meaningless. Then, they give him an internet device that streams porn, video games, and short form content. The only things he's confident in are some random science fun facts about evolution and the universe and in his free time masturbation--maybe if he isn't totally wasted by this dehumanizing process he watches anime, wow. He is the product of mass-heresy, complete apostasy, 1 billion body abortion and infant neglect cult feminism, and his only outlet or viable alternatives are by some religious Christians so visibly numbed and gullible to be not even skandalous but rather an anti-apologetic or to have suffered so obviously as to make the religion seem an outcome of suffering over the Truth. The modern world is 500 years of semi-accumulated nonsense that uses the word "liberty" to damn the world and open Hell on Earth. The only way out is the Eucharist but of course everyone will say their stupid "hot-take" and their influencer "insightful spin" and their fun little "philosophers coping drug" or their "post-truth" Nietzschean "too evolved to participate in fixing problems" but I'm telling you how to get out: Eat God.

>>24550485
I feel comforted by the fact that other pedophilic war lords are able to live a nice life

i like and relate to frodo and sam and they are very much good guys.

>>24551127
Based.

>>24550408 (OP)
If you relate to Holden Caulfield you're a loser, anon.

>>24550408 (OP)
My favorite "literally me" character is Psmith from the Wodehouse novels. And by literally me, I mean he is the exact opposite of me haha

holden is like fucking 16 years old, guys. get a grip.

>>24550408 (OP)
Well, give me some characteristics of a positive "literally me" character. They do probably exist, just they fly under the radar.
>>24550569
Like this guys said, but better.
>>24551739
based wodehouse chad. psmith is the best.

>>24551745
16 year olds can still be losers.

>>24551127
A good answer, but I have my own theory, which is people usually hide their deep thoughts about themselves and the world; so problematic characters are written mostly to show for the reader the views and emotions they try to avoid daily. You just fight yourself inside your head, not outside.

>>24550408 (OP)

>>24551760
i am saying why the fuck are you as a guy in his mid to late 20s relating to holden whos 16?

>>24551769
That was my question exactly.

>>24551769
>>24551860
some of us haven't sold out.

>>24550408 (OP)
There are only 7 "literally me" novels.

>Concrete - Thomas Bernhard
>A Man Asleep - Georges Perec
>A Confedracy of Dunces - John Kennedy Toole
>No Longer Human - Osamu Dazai
>Notes from Underground - Fyodor Dostoevsky
>The Temple of the Golden Pavilion - Yukio Mishima
>Ecclesiastes

Refute me.

>>24551769
people that are in their late 20s were once 16 and many problems 16 year olds face aren't reducible to age alone. they can persist and affect the entire rest of your life. your 20s are the aftermath of your youth after all

>>24551765
Now a friendly Indian man would wonder up to him in flip flops and they could follow the trail of litter out

>>24551927
If that's "literally you" you should literally "kill yourself"

>>24551674
>Eat God
Based beyond belief. You are what you eat.

>>24550408 (OP)
>overweight unemployed guy spends all day reading classics and criticizing modernity
Literally me