Thread 24551443 - /lit/ [Archived: 247 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:24:19 AM No.24551443
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Previously ...

If Demons are discarnate hungers, monadic stomachs, yet bound to one another in self-destructive syzygies, then the Heavenly Host can be envisioned as a network of inter-connected stomachs, autarkic yet One: the satisfaction of one suffices for all: if one eats, all the others become full: a provisional dependence on the World does not commit me to a blithe normie celebration of “oneness”, of cosmic unity, inter-connectivity, the non-dual Whole, etc. because “INTER-BEING IS INTER-EATING”: what I am doing is advocating a complete secession from the food chain by incorporating the Middle Way into a Gnostic framework that avoids the extremes of both normie oceanic narcissism and the antinomianism of neo-Carpocratians like Bataille: that is, reconciling the central insight that one “manipulates causality in order to escape from causality” with an acosmic mythos: from a One superposed with a Parmenidean Hell is cloned the World's entailment but not identity of Good and Evil: the DIVISIBLE coincidence of saṃsāra and nirvāṇa, death and deathlessness, the “combustible” and “incombustible”: in this fallen World, samsara and nirvana share a single “stimulus-identity”, NOT essence: the “spark” is perfection, not perfectible: SEPARATED, not produced, by the path, which allows us to deftly side-step the problem of antinomianism: that is, the coincidence of value and anti-value is the basis for their separability, or what's the same: the meta-value of non-bias that falls on the side of the (provisional) good: if we want to go with the choric Library of Thoth simile: from the hyperbolic eternity of a Hell looping incessantly between the extremes of laceration and expulsion, He has added a whole new wing to the Library: many wings, in fact: such that we are able to speak of a “dualistic monism” contrary to naturephilosophie's “monistic dualism”: instead of “two opposing principles struggling for supremacy over the Real [without any] transcendent or ontologically detached dimension of reality to which God pertains”, in which, indeed, “the only reality is the 'immanent preestablished harmony' provided by the oneness of the Absolute”, we have the (un)reflection of non-Ontological immanence vying for secession from Being BY WAY OF the harmony established by God as demiurgic mediator: instead of a One fissioning into Two, we have Two provisionally mixed into the same field: however, in all this talk of expanded/overhauled algorithmics, we're retaining the core of Schelling's insight: the notion that God's power has nothing to do with the fact He chose existence over nothingness, or that the creation was just Him selecting one set of possibilities over another: genesis was precisely the resolution of all potentials into the actuality of existence itself: reality is that immanent domain which has already encompassed all alternative possibilities which “could have” supplanted it:
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:26:02 AM No.24551447
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Then ...

Cabrera's absolutely right that human beings can't be held responsible for the structural defects of Being (a decidedly Gnostic insight). What they are guilty of, however, is what they become when these constraints are lifted or at least mitigated. You see it all around you now. The state of nature - understood as the most thermodynamically probable state of things - is preferable to what we got going on today because 1) it is an incubator of morality even if morality is a palliative and 2) the "moral impediments" it imposes on human society are not as pervasive or global. What human beings become in a condition of surplus reveals a deeper relation between the will and the world that I think both escapes Cabrera and precedes the world itself: terminal wills (loci of perception tilted towards their outside) implicate and are implicated by terminal structures (itself a Buddhist insight - what isn't a Buddhist insight is Cabrera insisting that sexual perversion does not violate his MEA insofar as it is sexual: but that's a story for another day). You are born into the world that will have you. Abolish its frictions, and the vast majority only expose why they were born into it in the first place. It's not that people are amnesiac demiurges. No: we're not complicit with the structure of Being: we're complicit with those parts of us which are implicated by that structure. In Montano's terms (PBUH), we're complicit with our "informational closeness" to becoming.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:29:07 AM No.24551452
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Now.

Henry argues that pure transcendence without immanence is a nothing, inaccessible to intentionality because there is no consciousness to which an about-ness would occur: I argue that pure transcendence is pure greed: a sub-phenomenological night characterized not by a lack of qualia, but duration: consider dream states or drug-induced amnesia (or the hyperbolic unlife of the Demons): experience happens at the periphery without relation to an immanence that imposes intelligibility on appearances: there are still qualia, but without, in Montano's (PBUH) terms, that “who-simulation” to which they're supposed to correspond (basically echoing Henry on this point): I say: the who-simulation is not the precondition of qualia, but the retention of qualia: down the apperceptive ladder, and the darkness of perception becomes more “pixelated.” The Shepard Loop of Eternity just was this vicious oscillation between pure transcendence and pure immanence, blackout and blacklight, without mediation: Pandemonium (Parts without Wholes) beheld the One as exclusionary immanence, which is then cloned within Pandemonium as God, the primal/paradigmatic immanence who surrenders to the pulsation between periphery and center in order “poison” the protoworld with effability, through which Chaos is subsumed by an entelechial Being of beings or refractory friction in order to facilitate a GNOSTIC primacy of Parts over Wholes: Life, the indeterminate that is infinitely determinable (but not determined) is, by virtue of its susceptibility to victimological death, infinitely resurrectable: every subject is a Christ, every Devil a potential Buddha, but every Christ/Buddha is not a potential Devil: the reversibility between Good and Evil (or, as I said, between the meta-dualism of non-bias and the biased, lower-order duality in which good and evil are indeed reversible) is UNILATERAL. Nemes' (2021) argument that Henry is not Gnostic because he doesn't reject the World tout court kind of misses the point: Henry's distinction between Life and the World is quintessentially Gnostic, though with some caveats: according to Henry, the World is not totally valueless, only strictly in reference to itself: the goal of Life is not to “fly from the world and retreat into … [the] sphere of absolute immanence”, but to actualize its powers within the World as the site of its “self-perfection”: I say: the utility of the World consists in its capacity to facilitate jhanic withdrawal: God is responsible for the chiasm that binds two radically incommensurable domains of appearance: Life and the World, pneuma and pneumata, 'awareness of awareness' with 'awareness of the object' by means of the 'awareness of awareness of the object': absolute immanence is ontologically dependent on the World only insofar as its affectivity is ordered towards it; the World is phenomenologically dependent on absolute immanence to appear as World. RADICAL immanence is exclusive of both.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:51:28 PM No.24551863
>>24551443 (OP)
Please come to Southeast Asia and do drugs with me
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:09:59 PM No.24551919
>>24551452
A sub- or infra-phenomenal night without duration, not qualia*

Experience happens at a periphery without self-relation*

The who-simulation is what grounds the retention of appearances, not appearances as such*

... Between the meta-dualism of non-bias and bias/the lower-order duality in which good and evil ...*

Mashelem.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:03:35 PM No.24552664
>>24551443 (OP)

Come on man...
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:16:03 PM No.24552717
No way you live in the states you'd be getting harassed by now
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 1:18:48 AM No.24553591
>>24551443 (OP)
Montano returns. Nice to see.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 6:05:55 AM No.24554154
Just go to church, man. You've been writing these walls of text for years. Even terminal autismos like Aquinas quit writing once they saw God directly.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 7:56:46 AM No.24554321
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YAAAAAAAAY CRIPPLING PARANOID SCHIZOPHRENIA, YAAAAAAAY!!!!
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 8:39:46 AM No.24554380
What is the difference between greed and gluttony?
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 6:26:38 PM No.24555275
>>24551443 (OP)
bump so this thread remains writhing in this board + i finally have time to read thru it
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 7:07:57 PM No.24555376
>>24551447
Can you reference writers better? I have no problem with the schizo but ppl like me are interested in the secondary material especially if its not super well known authors.
Like who is this Cabrera or his MEA.

Either way I'm more of a Fichtean anyways kiddo :cigarette_emoji:
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 7:14:32 PM No.24555391
>>24555376
Michel Henry, Julio Cabrera: Minimal Ethical Articulation (MEA). Steven Nemes (2021) - The Life-Idealism of Michel Henry. I keep the references obtuse to pique curiosity, but I overdid it.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 7:24:32 PM No.24555423
>>24554321
ever noticed that anti-intellectual retards love to throw out buzzwords like this?
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 8:20:27 PM No.24555610
>>24555423
>It's not incoherent schizobabble you're just a... an ANTI-INTELLECTUAL!!!
LMAOing at your life m8.
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 8:23:55 PM No.24555627
>>24555610
classic dirtbag leftist stereotype.
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 8:25:11 PM No.24555633
>>24555627
>Y-you're a leftist!!!
Hilariously pathetic. Consider killing yourself directionbrain.
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 8:31:16 PM No.24555664
>>24555633
what are you even doing on this board over reddit, mate?
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 8:36:51 PM No.24555684
>>24555664
>.... reddit!!! You are a redditor!!! REEEEEDDDDDIIIIT!!!
Hitting all the classics are we shitheel? You're running out of knee-jerk copes nigger.

>Anything that I disagree with = reddit/leftist/lggtbbq+/ etc.
You sure YOU aren't the brainlet here?
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 8:40:20 PM No.24555700
>>24555684
trust me, I know you're just a butthurt physicalist impotently lashing out OP. you're not special or hidden.
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 9:02:57 PM No.24555756
>>24555700
>Y-you're just a butthurt PHYSICALIST now!!
You sure do love slapping titles on shit and categorizing everything to fit in a neat little frame of reference box huh? You're so fucking OBSESSED with the naming and labeling of things.

It's pretty pathetic to watch, not gonna lie. I unlike you, believe that not everything in existence fits so neatly onto a fucking chart or graph NIGGER. Or behind a list of terms.

Politics and semantics have BLINDED you. You grubby little WORM. Anything ambiguous to your own personal gay little frame of reference you throw names at it, hoping one of them will eventually stick.

You're pathetic. You can't define me, you anonymous RAT.
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:07:14 PM No.24556167
>>24555756
>You sure do love slapping titles on shit and categorizing everything to fit in a neat little frame of reference box huh? You're so fucking OBSESSED with the naming and labeling of things.
the sheer irony of this post is hilarious.