>Steals a magical ring from a distant ancient hobbit stoor offshoot that's aged 500 years as a goblin like creature eating raw salmon in caves
>How come Bilbo was never seen by the Nazgul but Frodo was?
>Is this even explained in the lore by Tolkien?
>If Bilbo was chased by Nazgul with dwarves and a wizard it would dramatically change the plot

>>24551807 (OP)
You don't know how to greentext and Tolkien wrote magicslop for children
>heckin elves bro!
>they're like, on an adventure and shit
Grow up

>>24551811
>Hates Tolkien and compares it to slop
>Far more detailed and written than any other slop
>Thinks I don't know how to green text
>Been on 4chan since 2012
You can't make this shit up

>>24551820
>Been on 4chan since 2012
I’ve been here 2008. You don’t greentext the questions. Only the first point should have been greentext. It was pretty newfag of >>24551811 to care though.

ngl I like rings of power desu

>>24551807 (OP)
>If Bilbo was chased by Nazgul with dwarves and a wizard it would dramatically change the plot
Yeah if you dramatically changed the plot then the plot would change. Dramatically. If a Honda civic crushed your legs, your ability to walk would change. Dramatically.

>>24551807 (OP)
Not a Tolkienfag so I'm judging by the movies only, but did the Nazi Ghouls really "see" Frodo? I think they were only able to track him down through torturing Gollum and then literally asking around about him.

>>24552190
This is it.
>>24551807 (OP)
This only happens in the movies. In the book they don't "sense" Frodo when he uses the ring.

>>24551807 (OP)
Sauron had no knowledge of the Ring's fate until he captured and tortured Gollum. Saruman learned of the general area in which Isildur was killed and searched for it but never communicated that to Sauron.

>>24551820
>oh yeah? oh yeah?
>well... this is DETAILED slop!!!
Christ.

>>24551807 (OP)
I assume from the picture you used and the specific misunderstandings that you have only watched the Jackson adaptations.

Bilbo had been in Rivendell for 14 years (poorly/not at all explained in the Jackson movies) and presumed dead in the Shire by the time that Sauron became aware from Gollum that a 'Baggins from the Shire' had taken the ring.

Frodo didn't get the message to start early and without Gandalf because Butterbur didn't get around to sending the letter Gandalf left with him, and consequently the Nazgul reached the Shire (and found out that the only 'Baggins' in the Shire was Frodo) at approximately the time he began his journey in the late autumn, hence the chase.

Tom fucking Bombadil.
Who the hell was he meant to be?!

>>24552190
If you mean "can they psychically discern where he is whenever he puts on the ring", then no. But technically they can only see him (as in with their senses) when he passes through to the spirit world by putting on the ring, other than that they use their other senses.

>>24552460
Tolkien never went into detail, but he's something like an incarnation of middle earth. Probably based off Celtic/Germanic/Finnic/Baltic pagan gods and things of that nature.
>unable to leave middle earth
>vastly diminished in the present day but Elrond hints he used to be everywhere before the great forest was separated into the Old Forest/Fangorn etc.
>spiritual matters like the nature of the Ring have no effect on him
>Elrond says that when Middle Earth perishes, so will he. "As he was the First, so shall be be the Last".
that's my opinion anyway, I think it's cool that it remained unexplained in detail by the word of god

>>24551811
>>24551820
To be fair and as much as I adore Tolkien, in a world where our literature quality matches our technological capabilities, LotR would be considered light children's books.

>>24552278
> the book they don't "sense" Frodo when he uses the ring.
It says the rings draw them explicitly. It also says the ring draws all evil.
>>24551807 (OP)
Bilbo doesn’t wear it long enough. He also doesn’t “claim” the ring officially and just has it around for a long time instead of actively wearing it. Even then he has trouble letting it go. The closer to Mordor they get the better Sauron can sense it directly until he basically sees Frodo through the Eye.

So it’s location sensitive, it matters how much you use it and how long. How physically near it you are. The ring also has a mind of its own trying to get back home but seems go be in no rush.

I think a better question might be how Gollum was able to have it and use it so much for so long and still resist its call to bring it home. It’s implied the ring helps itself slip out of his grasp into Bilbo’s possession. Apparently this is better than having some goblin find it? Frankly it’s never explained well. The ring’s predictive powers aren’t great and it’s all vague enough to lead to some useful story contrivances. But then Tolkien wasn’t trying to set up some bulletproof logic he’s using the Sagas as a model and contrivance isn’t a dirty word. Poetic irony like being destroyed by a weapon you forged is a lot more powerful than inventing a logic by which that would be the most appropriate thing to happen.

>>24551807 (OP)
The ring in The Hobbit was just a standalone magical ring in a children's bedtime story. It wasn't until AFTER LOTR that he went back and revised that Bilbo's ring and the One Ring were one in the same.

>>24553253
The Ring used Gollum to hide itself away in a dark forgotten cave no one would ever look into. It waited until Sauron grew in power again, which he was doing very slowly (literally by healing his wounds, and militarly by gathering orcs into his armies), while the strength of his enemies diminished (elves leaving, Rohan and Gondor drifting apart, the Witch-King harassing them from Angmar...). No point for the Ring to show itself too early and risks a second war while Sauron was still weak and had lost the previous one.
When it decided it waited enough it escaped Gollum. Bilbo finding it is... probably not what it expected, which Gandalf attributes to Bilbo being "meant" to find the Ring, an obvious nod to Illuvatar.

>All the blatant lore-based cope ITT when >>24553261is the objective truth of the matter.

>>24552460
An author-avatar.

>>24553177
I think it would be considered similar to the Iliad or the Odyssey for Englan, the way it was meant to be
It was always meant to be a myth epic for the Brits. That is the way I see it and Dunsany's novels. It's true problem is that it got ultra-commercialised in a way that is contradictory to the core message of the work
>>24553287
It's partially that the Nazgul were only commanded to search for the ring after the end of the Hobbit too. Sauron never knew Bilbo took the ring

>>24553280
Hrm that makes sense I forgot he was regenerating. In either case my main point was trying to pick it apart is misunderstanding the story form. Like you said, there’s a literal god meddling in what happens. We had that whole “erm science” era online where people would try to explain why things that happen in fiction are wrong, as if the purpose of stories is to play mythbusters. For fantasy that became an obsession with making magic systems “make sense” and other bizarre crap.

>>24552460
A friendly nature spirit that resists being autistically categorised by table top players

>>24553287
Hobbit is just a one off children’s tale but Tolkien himself both revised Hobbit as well as integrated it into his own lore. Lore cope is a weird way to put it when the author writes multiple books integrating the first one.
Hell, if you really pay attention you’ll note that Hobbit is actually a derived work based on an original within its own story, it’s even translated, which means any errors (like watches and gunpowder) are easily attributable to mistakes in the received text. I don’t think you’re ready for that one though. Most people aren’t even aware of this.

>>24551811
Go to bed, George.

Only tangentially related to the thread, but I'm looking for a good copy of the Lays of Beleriand (the mass market paperback is the most available version, and those aren't worth it except for actually disposable books). Anyone know which printing is the best?

>upload new chapter after close to a month soft-hiatus between volumes
>lose 6 followers

It's tiresome.Some anon here was posting about 1000 true fans, and I keep that in mind as I truck along with my series.

You'd think in a thousand years or however long it was Sauron would've done some basic recon along the river anduin to look for the ring. I mean the water only goes in one direction.

>>24551807 (OP)
>>How come Bilbo was never seen by the Nazgul but Frodo was?
Because he lived in bumpfuck nowhere, just like Gollum. Nazguls don't magically teleport to the Ring when someone uses it. Is one of the first thing that's explained on the books, which you clearly haven't read just like 99% of /lit/faggots.

>>24553287
Cope and seethe, bitch. The Hobbit isn't a Children's book, we know it hurts you is more popular and recognized that your Game of Thrones slop.

>>24551807 (OP)
>>How come Bilbo was never seen by the Nazgul but Frodo was?
Because he lived in bumpfuck nowhere, just like Gollum. Nazguls don't magically teleport to the Ring when someone uses it. Is one of the first thing that's explained on the books, which you clearly haven't read just like 99% of /lit/faggots.

>>24553287
Cope and seethe, bitch. The Hobbit isn't a Children's book, we know it hurts you is more popular and recognized than your Game of Thrones slop.

wasn't sauron simply rebuilding himself and his armies all that time and bilbo basically never looked at or touched the ring until the beginning of LOTR? the whole point is that hobbits don't care about power and thats why gollum takes so long to transform and never brings the ring back, meanwhile humans act like niggers the moment they look at it for 30 seconds.

>>24553812
Bilbo used the ring in The Hobbit a few times iirc to evade orcs and steal shit, but after that he left it alone for the next few decades, which is why Sauron couldn't divine where it was or get his claws into Bilbo - and it was a close thing too, from how reluctant he was to let Gandalf handle it.

>>24553665
I have the new box set hardcovers for HoME. They're decent enough to not fall apart, but nothing special. I'm not sure if there is a really nice copy of them out there; the market might just not be there.

>>24553687
Sure, Sauron can just send out some Haradrim with a big comb like on Spaceballs to comb the river

>>24551820
>Thinks I don't know how to green text
You aren't supposed to capitalize the first letter in green text newfag

>>24553941
you are right that I should just bit the bullet and spend the money for it. I'd prefer smaller volumes than the three, but I can't argue with the fact that $100 is better than even buying mass market paperbacks. (it's on sale apparently)

>>24551845
>I’ve been here 2008. You don’t greentext the questions
Good for you. No one fucking cares, boomie.

>>24553287
>>24553261
That doesn't really make sense at all

OP the answer is simple, during Bilbo's adventure the Nazgul were not looking for the one ring. They were only sent out by Sauron to look for it after Sauron learned from Gollum that the ring had been taken by a Baggins from the Shire.

I'm 2007 so as the oldest of fags ITT I have sovereignty of this thread and according to the rights bestowed upon me by divine right I, the Most August of Majesties hereby declare you, by the grace of God, to be NIGGERS & faggots for time everlasting.

>>24551807 (OP)
I'm not even a tolkien lore master and this is a easy question answered in the book, when goblin took the ring beneath the mountains he "hid" it. When Bilbo got the ring it betrayed Gollum, seeing it's chance to escape. When the ring got topside again it immediately started sending ping requests to evil.sauron.org. But at this point Sauron is still just building up his armies again, it takes some years before he has mustered enough strength to actually summon the nazgul to go search for it. The entire vibe of the first LotR book is "winter is coming" like something had been awakened. The nazgul is also the answer to the "just use the Eagles" question, only once they were gone was it safe for the eagles to fly into Mordor. You can answer all these questions easily if you just read the book, but you didn't read the book and the movies bored your social media brain in 20 min. Later today you'll make a post about how some other influential writer/thinker was an idiot because they missed some detail or had some opinion that was common at the time but antiquated today. Right now there is a "Nabokov was an idiot because ..." thread in the catalog, a guy that could write beautiful prose in multiple languages, spoke even more and made chess puzzles as a hobby. This self hate projection onto famous people is just sad and it ruins the board.

>>24552460
A part of Eru Illuvatar incarnated in Arda for the purpose of enjoying his own creation. Upon reflection this made Tokien uncomfortable seen as he was a Christian and Eru Illuvatar is supposed to be the god of the Bible.

>>24551807 (OP)
In the hobbit Gandalf leaves them at the Mirkwood forest to go south and deal with the Necromancer who is Necromancing a wya to bring back the nine riders but he is still very weak defeated and escapes to Mordor or something along those lines.

If you then continue to read the first chapter of Fellowship closely you’ll notice Bilbo talks about the ring as if it’s been queer and acting different and making him feel different and that’s actually why he decided with Gandalf before the party and the book starts to leave it to Frodo.
Gandalf also is suspicious and encouraged him to do so wanting it to be in the shire where he could find it and not out on the countryside between the shire and erebor with bilbo where it could get lost

>>24553959
We ain't found shit!

>>24551807 (OP)
lord of the mid is a literal chidren's book

>>24554934
Game of Throws is a children's book with gore turned on.

>>24551811
Seething

>>24554934
>Gurm bringing up Tolkien again
RENT FREE

>>24555994
I hope that when George is dead and I'm not famous, I don't bitch about George.

>>24553851
He used it at least once, one of the hobbits saw him, I think it was Merry, he saw Bilbo walking down the road and the Sackville-Baggins too and suddenly Bilbo disappeared. He put on the ring before they saw him so he didn't have to talk to them. They're talking about this in Crickhollow.
That other guy is right, Sauron was only some thin spirit for many years, he had to rebuild himself so to speak and wasn't able to do anything. And Bilbo never used the ring in evil intent or to gain anything big, which makes a difference.
>>24554709
I agree

So, in between the Fall of Angmar and the hunt for Frodo, what were the Nazgul doing?

>>24556590
Building an awesome model train set.

>>24554934
did that fat fuck even read it?

>>24554616
it's true

in fact the weirdest part of the entire thing is that The Hobbit - and thus LotR - only exist because Tolkien's son kept "Um, actually"ing meaningless details, and it pissed Tolkien off to the point where he started writing shit down to shut the nerd up

The Hobbit itself has at least three major versions as it's been updated to retroactively put it in canon, as if it's a live service game. In the first edition Gollum doesn't give two shits about the ring and willingly puts it up for the riddle game, which obviously had to be changed lol

>>24551807 (OP)
The ring basically planned everything. It wasn't the right time yet when bimbo had it