Thread 24554912 - /lit/ [Archived: 59 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/16/2025, 3:12:32 PM No.24554912
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>He reads a famous, classic book not because he expects to enjoy it, but because it’s famous and classic, and likes how that makes him feel.
This isn't you, is it?

By the way, f you’re not reading it in the original language, you’re not even experiencing the writing itself — only an echo of it through a translator and the reality is, you’d rather check off a well-known title than read a more obscure book where you might actually engage with the words.
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 3:14:51 PM No.24554915
>>24554912 (OP)
Yep, that's me. Sometimes I come to enjoy them though, for example in the case of Dostoevsky,
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 3:26:15 PM No.24554933
>>24554912 (OP)
You’re not deep, you're just a snob with a superiority complex and no actual joy in reading. Keep jerking off to your untranslated obscurities. The rest of us will be over here actually enjoying books.
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 3:45:53 PM No.24554977
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>>24554912 (OP)
I don’t even read them, just put them on a shelf. Sometimes I carry one around. I only browse here to find books to add to my Amazon list. Reading is for plebs.
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 4:10:27 PM No.24555021
>>24554912 (OP)
But if I hadn't done it, I wouldn't have been able to chuckle at this meme.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 4:13:48 PM No.24555028
>>24554912 (OP)
I read classics because that's the closest I can get to a guarantee that I won't waste the time and effort reading requires on nonsense.
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 4:21:07 PM No.24555042
>>24554933
>You’re not deep, you're just a snob with a superiority complex and no actual joy in reading
The guy he's making fun of are even more described by this.
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 4:31:22 PM No.24555057
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>>24554912 (OP)
Nigga you ai generated a wojak. All you literally need to do is use ms paint but instead you made a piss tinted wojak.
And no, I read classics because they are interesting, I don't read shit I wouldn't like personally. Which is why I don't read modern classics from the 18-19th century and only the ancients.
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 4:42:42 PM No.24555077
>>24555042
Yeah, because nothing screams "joy in reading" like gatekeeping translations and flexing over book spines no one asked about. Cope harder — some of us actually read for meaning, not masturbation.
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 4:43:07 PM No.24555078
>>24554912 (OP)
Make a list for me of obscure books which you think are better uses of my time than Plato’s Phaedrus.

I already know the books will all be joke titles and OP won’t deliver with anything serious.
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 4:45:50 PM No.24555081
>>24555077
>some of us actually read for meaning,
Good way of exposing yourself as a pseud. I wasn't disagreeing with you btw, I wasn't coping, I didn't even think you were mentally deficient until you exposed yourself.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 4:47:17 PM No.24555084
>>24554912 (OP)
I pick famous classic because it gives me a certain level of quality assurance and that I'm not going to waste my time with absolute trash. I actually like picking famous works that don't necessarily have a premise that sounds particularly interesting to me because it gives me an opportunity to expand my horizon. A lot of my favorite reads have been books that I would have never read had I just gone by what I personally find interesting.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 4:52:50 PM No.24555093
>>24554912 (OP)
I exclusively read classic and famous books so I can complain that they suck
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 4:53:15 PM No.24555095
>>24555078
Imagine reading Phaedrus in 2025.
Imagine thinking that wooden, masturbatory dialectic still hits when we have books like:

The Lime Twig: a fever-dream descent into hell with prose that makes Plato sound like a high school debate team.

The Invention of Morel: a tight little mindfuck that says more about love, time, and obsession in 100 pages than Socrates does in 50 monologues about soul-horses.

You’re not a philosopher, you’re just clinging to the canon like a safety blanket. Read something that actually hurts. Or go back to pretending “rhetoric” is edgy. Up to you.
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 6:35:22 PM No.24555299
>>24555095
We got a badass over here
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 6:47:29 PM No.24555324
>>24554912 (OP)
>only an echo of it through a translator
and yet it can still be amazing literature. cool, huh?
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 7:01:08 PM No.24555360
>>24554912 (OP)
>start reading Being and Time because i watched one anime and one of the characters quotes heidegger
i do things for even sillier reasons than you could understand
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 7:03:47 PM No.24555366
>>24554912 (OP)
If you are reading a book from before 1800 not in latin or greek, you are not reading it
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 7:18:43 PM No.24555409
>>24555366
If you're reading Ancient Greek literature and not hearing it performed aloud by a bard, preferably with musical accompaniment, you're a pseud and haven't truly engaged with the work
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 7:28:55 PM No.24555435
>>24554912 (OP)
Yes that is me.

I don't care. When you look at a photograph of somebody, you are just looking at their dead body. Who cares? It's a better representation of them than the real thing that looks at you with hateful looks.

I am engaging with myself idiot. Just like everyone who reads things using their own brain.

If you looooooove classic authors so much why don'y you dig up their graves and possess their bodies? Are you fucking retarded or something?
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 7:50:13 PM No.24555507
Imagine being scared of reading a book because you can't handle sentiments too different from your own, no wonder so many people in this board have delusional beliefs and expectations, you'd think reading so much wisdom would somehow reduce the suffering of living in the 21st century
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 7:52:09 PM No.24555516
>he gave up on writing because he's not in the upper-most percentile of authors
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 8:43:24 PM No.24555709
>>24555507
Why do some people fail to gain wisdom, knowledge, or empathy from reading?

Here are the most meaningful reasons:


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1. Reading passively instead of critically

Some people read the way they might scroll social media: passively, looking for plot or entertainment, but not reflecting on what's underneath. They don’t ask:

Why is the character acting this way?

What does this say about human nature, or me?


Without reflection, no depth is gained.


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2. Reading for ego, not growth

People who read only to feel smart, or to show off, often resist being changed by what they read. They approach books defensively — as something to conquer or “get through” — not something that might challenge them or unsettle their views.

This blocks wisdom and empathy.


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3. Lack of life experience/context

Empathy and wisdom often come from connecting the text to life, but if someone has limited experience, or is emotionally closed off, the book won’t “land.”
A teenage reader might not understand Anna Karenina the way someone who has lived through heartbreak or moral failure will.


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4. Ideological or emotional rigidity

Some readers are locked into a rigid worldview. Anything that challenges it is dismissed. For example, someone might read The Brothers Karamazov and come away just mocking the religious parts — missing the moral torment, spiritual searching, and philosophical depth.


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Should one gain wisdom, knowledge, or empathy from reading?

Yes — if done attentively, reading can be one of the richest sources of:

Wisdom — by encountering moral dilemmas, historical patterns, failures, and transcendent ideas.

Knowledge — not just facts, but structures of thought, intellectual history, and complexity.

Empathy — by entering other minds, other worlds, and seeing life through someone else’s eyes.


But these aren’t automatic. Reading doesn’t change you unless you let it.


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TL;DR:

> You don’t grow just by reading — you grow by thinking about what you read.
And some people simply read without thinking, feeling, or
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 8:44:49 PM No.24555711
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>>24554912 (OP)
>He reads a famous, classic book because its better
>He doesnt care if its translated or not
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 9:17:47 PM No.24555800
>>24555409
If you're engaging with mythological writings of antiquity and not directly experiencing the dreams and spiritual experiences of ancient story tellers, you're a npc reliant on the descriptions of reality and haven't been in contact with it yourself
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 9:23:22 PM No.24555821
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>>24554912 (OP)
>ai generated wojak
>ai generated ragebait OP
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 9:26:30 PM No.24555829
>>24555709
thanks, ChatGPT
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 9:50:37 PM No.24555920
>>24555709
Kys
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:31:19 PM No.24556057
>>24554912 (OP)
Not really, no. I expect to enjoy it or get something out of it, and I usually do.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:37:02 PM No.24556073
ya readers copy paste this argument everyday
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 4:19:15 AM No.24557087
>>24554912 (OP)
i've never felt this, there are classics that i dislike
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 10:14:54 AM No.24557772
>>24554912 (OP)
>By the way, f you’re not reading it in the original language, you’re not even experiencing the writing itself — only an echo of it through a translator
translation doesn't affect the most important aspect of a book, namely the story.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 10:17:05 AM No.24557782
>>24554912 (OP)
I read a bunch of classics because they are supposedly good stories, but I found really all of them were boring and I quit always within a hundred pages, sometimes within just a couple pages.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 10:26:30 AM No.24557796
I expect to enjoy famous, classic books, that's why I read them
Also I disagree
I learn languages in order to read literature and I don't think what you said is true
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 10:45:52 AM No.24557832
Yes I do this. Sometimes they're great sometimes they're mid. Sometimes I don't enjoy them at first but then I realize the greatness later on. Same exact thing happens with music, movies, etc.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 10:59:57 AM No.24557846
>>24557782
>because they are supposedly good stories
You clearly don't understand what makes the classics truly great. Basically, you're a midwit plotfag.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:49:30 AM No.24557927
I expect to enjoy it, BECAUSE the book is a classic.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 12:00:49 PM No.24557956
>>24554912 (OP)
I will admit, that was my first sentiment, reading to appear smart and informed. To 'win' debates and bludgeon people over the head to feel 'above' others but..it got tiring and its a serious stunt on your intellectual growth and maturity. Its pretty pointless and tiring for absolutely nothing but a quick massage to an ever growing fragile ego I developed. Now I just read for the simple enjoyment and maybe parsing some interesting insight and connecting with other minds who are quite honestly much greater than mine and you actually start growing up.
t.26 yr zoomer
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 12:45:01 PM No.24558041
>>24557956
Post-racist brainrot
You were better when you were 19
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 12:47:39 PM No.24558046
>>24554912 (OP)
Sort of, I read them because if they're famous and classic then they must have something of value to offer.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 12:55:09 PM No.24558053
>>24555028
Not a bad reason
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:30:31 PM No.24558869
>>24554912 (OP)
I read the classics to understand my own writing better.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 9:53:11 PM No.24559318
>>24557846
nothing about a book matters if the story is unengaging, but feel free to cope and be an enlightened pseud
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 10:20:53 PM No.24559367
>>24554912 (OP)
I only read so people won't find me truelly repulsive
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 10:25:31 PM No.24559387
>>24554912 (OP)
>>He reads a famous, classic book
>not because he expects to enjoy it
>but because it’s famous and classic, and likes how that makes him feel.
Is liking how a book makes you feel not enjoyment?
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:20:10 PM No.24559499
>>24554912 (OP)
I want to enjoy it, but a lot of the time the author doesn't live up to their end of the bargain
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:37:40 PM No.24559535
>>24559318
>unengaging
Sounds like vague, subjective nonsense. Whether you're engaged or bored is a subjective state that reflects the reader, not the work itself. This fixation on a book needing a story where things happen in a certain way only betrays a poor mind and limited imagination, unable to grasp anything beyond plot: things like style (syntax, rhythm), atmosphere, or thematic depth. If none of that registers, maybe the classics aren't the problem. There's nothing "enlightened" about this at all, it's actually very basic stuff.
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:06:58 AM No.24559598
>>24559535
>This fixation on a book needing a story where things happen in a certain way
what do you mean they happen in a certain way? I didn't say shit about that.
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:28:01 AM No.24559645
>>24554912 (OP)
In my experience, the books that are famous and classic and on lists of books you should read are usually quite good and the randoms are only maybe 10% good.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 1:00:46 AM No.24559707
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 8:04:52 AM No.24560464
mfw I read Ulysses bc I read Portrait and I was curious to see what my buddy Dedalus was up to after all those high flying ideals :^)

can't imagine any other way, feel bad for those lit students who read it for the sake of school curriculum without a modicum of previous attachment to Dedalus/Joyce
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 9:22:10 AM No.24560590
>>24559598
Ignoring the fact that "engaging" is a subjective descriptor, when you say a book has an "unengaging story", you're not making a neutral observation. You're implying that
>books should have engaging stories
>"engaging" = some kind of plot movement, eventfulness, or something happening (what that "something" is seems to vary with every plotfag)
>any story failing to do that is therefore "bad" or "boring"
Do you even understand what you're saying?
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 9:31:16 AM No.24560598
>>24554912 (OP)
>op has a provocative statement
>ai generated pic, cant even put in the effort of looking something up
>tries to offer a sharp rebuttal to every reply itt, exposing him as someone interested in arguing instead of enlightenment
happens way too often, these threads never have any value and people still drive to them because of sheer insecurity
one day a lot of people are going to have a pretty bad post nut clarity about all of the useless arguments they held online, while not trying to exchange information and opinions - with nothing to show for them, really, except for having a hand in turning this board as shitty as it is
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 9:39:34 AM No.24560606
>>24560598
You're not wrong about these threads. You're spot on, actually. But some of us are here anyway, just to sharpen our rhetoric or test our arguments. So even if nothing meaningful comes out of it, it's still a neat little mental exercise to fortify our beliefs.
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 9:47:46 AM No.24560614
>>24560606
if you sharpened your rhetoric, thats something you got out of it
its the ops i was referring to, you arent sharpening anything by playing the same provocative program over and over and reciting the same comebacks while not taking arriving at any conclusion
hell, if motion from self-agency is one of the signs of life, op might as well be a piece of driftwood
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 10:18:58 AM No.24560647
>>24554915
If you are alluding to Dostoevsky’s worst novels, then, indeed, I dislike intensely The Brothers Karamazov and the ghastly Crime and Punishment rigamarole. No, I do not object to soul-searching and self-revelation, but in those books the soul, and the sins, and the sentimentality, and the journalese, hardly warrant the tedious and muddled search. Dostoyevsky’s lack of taste, his monotonous dealings with persons suffering with pre-Freudian complexes, the way he has of wallowing in the tragic misadventures of human dignity – all this is difficult to admire. I do not like this trick his characters have of ”sinning their way to Jesus” or, as a Russian author, Ivan Bunin, put it more bluntly, ”spilling Jesus all over the place." Crime and Punishment’s plot did not seem as incredibly banal in 1866 when the book was written as it does now when noble prostitutes are apt to be received a little cynically by experienced readers. Dostoyevsky never really got over the influence which the European mystery novel and the sentimental novel made upon him. The sentimental influence implied that kind of conflict he liked—placing virtuous people in pathetic situations and then extracting from these situations the last ounce of pathos. Non-Russian readers do not realize two things: that not all Russians love Dostoevsky as much as Americans do, and that most of those Russians who do, venerate him as a mystic and not as an artist. He was a prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. I admit that some of his scenes, some of his tremendous farcical rows are extraordinarily amusing. But his sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes are not to be endured for one moment—by this reader anyway. Dostoyevsky seems to have been chosen by the destiny of Russian letters to become Russia’s greatest playwright, but he took the wrong turning and wrote novels.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 11:39:25 AM No.24560734
>>24560590
>a book with bad story is actually good because... it's le subjective
could you be any more of a pseud
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 3:31:29 PM No.24561046
>>24560614
>reading rhetoric is useless
Plato and aristotle i think would disagree
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 4:04:51 PM No.24561095
>>24560734
I read this in Chandler's voice
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 11:47:31 PM No.24562209
>>24560734
Yeah, I could be you; an illiterate moron who projects.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 11:51:36 PM No.24562223
>>24560734
Imagine being this insecure about not understanding literature, lol.
>could you be any more of a pseud
Yeah, I could be you.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:54:51 AM No.24562400
>>24554912 (OP)
>I won't read a classic book because other people might think I am reading the classic book only because it is famous and classic
This is you.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 2:01:04 AM No.24562630
>>24554977
I go buy them from the independent used book shop in town from the plain faced middle-aged woman with the flat chest and big ass. She never comments on the books that I buy and perhaps doesn't even recognize me as a regular customer.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 2:02:14 AM No.24562636
>>24561046
read my post again and ask yourself how your reply makes any sense
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 3:12:23 AM No.24562846
>>24554912 (OP)
Not me. I've been picking up free classics online to read because I want to get into classic literature, and I drop the ones I don't like. I like Carmilla, Frankenstein, and a lot of Charles Dickens but I completely dropped Moby Dick because I just couldn't get into it. Turns out I like classic Gothic Horror the most.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 4:55:01 AM No.24563113
>>24562223
Literature should be felt, not understood. When authors are self-consciously attempting to make a point or say something deep about society it's cringe every time
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 5:45:24 AM No.24563224
Yes, I read classics because they are classics. These books are held in high regard for a reason and I’d like to understand why. These books are considered the best of the best why waste time on anything lesser?
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:21:54 AM No.24563295
>>24554912 (OP)
>By the way, f you’re not reading it in the original language, you’re not even experiencing the writing itself — only an echo of it through a translator
That's true, but it's also true that nobody can learn every language on Earth. I'd rather experience a great work indirectly than not at all.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:32:01 AM No.24563325
They’re classics because they’re really good and therefore endure. 99% of writing was always shit. There are probably some fantastic books that are not classics, Moby Dick was fantastic but remained unnoticed for a long time and may never have been. But I having to sort through all the crap is too time consuming.

I don’t read classics to feel smart since IQ is more indicated by aptitude in mathematics. Most literature buffs with no capacity for mathematics are midwits, although occasionally there are mathematical brains that are complete midwits in humanities despite an interest in them

Even if translations are echoes, Rodney Merrill’s translation of Homer holds my interest much more than popular novels.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:34:59 AM No.24563331
>>24554912 (OP)
Tbh once you learn another language you'll realize that there's really not that much lost in translation, unless of course you're reading Goethe, Shakespeare, Homer, or someone in that vein. But for 99% of books it doesn't really matter. General cultural knowledge is more important. If you want to better understand Dostoevsky you'd be better off spending your time learning Russian history rather than learning the Russian language.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:36:52 AM No.24563335
>>24563331
Poetry in general. Prose fiction does lose less, but it takes a really good translator to get the nuances across well.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:44:45 AM No.24563353
>>24555095
>Read something that actually hurts
kek
grow up
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:55:46 AM No.24563658
>>24563113
Feeling is a form of understanding. You're not really responding to what I previously said, and I never praised self-conscious social commentary.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:04:57 PM No.24563852
>>24563353
That post was written by ai
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 2:20:16 PM No.24564059
>>24562636
>you arent sharpening anything

This is a direct quote from you referring to op not engaging and reading rhetoric instead. Altough you also make baseless claims about the whole thread being ai even though there have been multiple anons enaging each other.
I say again plato and aristotle would disagree with your premise that reading rhetotic is useless.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 3:05:27 PM No.24564150
It’s most people about most things. That’s why asking for recommendations for music results only in trash (popular or the person identifies with the lyrics etc) for example. Basically, have a high IQ and like the things which engage you intellectually and leave the farm animals to whatever they pretend to like in order to feel good off social rewards from doing so.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:31:01 PM No.24565260
>>24554933
>over here actually enjoying books.
then why use this board?
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 5:56:49 AM No.24566400
>>24555800
if you're not banging on rocks and howling while injecting hot lead up your nose. You fundamentally, don't know what good story telling is
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 7:10:52 AM No.24566541
>>24554912 (OP)
>This isn't you, is it?
Occasionally. It's also you sometimes too.
So what should we do about it?
I ignore women
7/20/2025, 3:07:19 PM No.24567080
>>24564150
It's not most people, it's everybody including you. Whether it's from a person, broadcast or an algorithm, people engage with what is put in front of them. A search function isn't going to recommend you a book with 0 purchases and 0 mentions.
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 4:36:34 PM No.24567244
>>24564150
All the great books have been written in the 19th century and earlier. If a book written at that time has not achieved classic status by now, it's because it is bad. If a book was written post 19th century, it is usually not good literature. The 20th and 21st century simply did not produce authors of the same calibre. There exist no hidden gems in literature that only very smart and special hipsters like you know of.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:00:55 AM No.24568436
>>24554912 (OP)
>if you’re not reading it in the original language, you’re not even experiencing the writing itself
love when angsty undergrads reveal themselves like this
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:02:20 AM No.24568440
>>24554912 (OP)
You don't read for enjoyment, plebeian. You read to live the literary life.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 5:33:03 AM No.24568842
>>24554912 (OP)
What makes you think you can understand the work in its native language better than the translator can?
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 5:53:18 AM No.24568871
>>24568842
A translator's job is not only to understand the work but to put it across in another language. Any translation is necessarily lossy even if the translator understands the original work perfectly and has a perfect native-level grasp of the target language, because languages are different; you can't actually say the same thing in a different language, only roughly the same thing.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:44:22 PM No.24570691
>>24554912 (OP)
This will be me one day, God willing, desu. I’m working my way up there by reading the short ones that I enjoy, like Chekhov short stories and Hadji Murad.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:50:20 PM No.24570703
>>24554912 (OP)
I like Heidegger because it reads like Richie Hawtin
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:12:50 PM No.24570923
>>24563113
Art can serve various audiences or purposes. Some can be aesthetic, some can be a critical commentary on social issues, some explore possibilities, some is a riddle meant to be solved. Some is just individual emotional expression. Some served one of those purposes in an age where people thought differently, and its hard to access that now. Thats where many classics fall. The only art that can said to be shit is art thats meant to serve a specific purpose but executes that poorly.
So no, not all literature is meant to be felt, not understood.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:49:34 AM No.24571455
>>24554912 (OP)
The dudes that get book elitism are the same dudes that say women only posture at reading books for status reasons. It's just projection, a staple of chud life.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:53:00 AM No.24571467
>>24568871
And an anon with a basic grasp of that language will be doing an even worse job of translating in his mind.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:53:10 AM No.24571468
>he doesnt read 6th grade prose
what a pseud, does he think he is better than me?
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:07:20 AM No.24571496
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>>24555095
Loved this book
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:58:45 AM No.24571584
>>24554912 (OP)
I do this. Even worse is that, when I read a Classic and don't like it, I assume the problem is that I'm too unintelligent to enjoy a novel which the literary world tells me is good. I have no faith in myself. I am incapable of developing taste. In short I am human scum, and a midwit. I'm still smarter than people who don't read.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:07:42 AM No.24571972
>>24571467
Once you have more than a very basic level you hopefully aren't translating it in your head, just reading it.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:17:53 AM No.24571996
>>24555095
>You’re not a philosopher
but I am tho
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:35:29 AM No.24572018
>>24555095
This is GPT. Shocked others can't spot it. It's not just em dashes, people. You have to learn to detect the vibe.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:12:53 PM No.24572529
>>24572018
Shocker you couldnt spot that the op is ai generated