Thread 24559078 - /lit/ [Archived: 177 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:33:07 PM No.24559078
CrimeandPunishment
CrimeandPunishment
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I would like to formally challenge C&P's place in the /lit/ canon.

>Ham fisted ideology (Sonia, Luzhin, beating one over the head with Christian symbolism)
>Tedious
>Mediocre prose (I can accept that the CG translation is at fault here)
>Aesthetically unimpressive

I guess it's... fine, as a philosophical novel, but it doesn't deserve to be in anyone's top 10.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:48:40 PM No.24559133
>>24559078 (OP)
>Ham fisted ideology
Sincerity of purpose
>Tedious
Intellectually stimulating
>Mediocre prose
Accessible
>Aesthetically unimpressive
Stimulates your imagination
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 9:38:54 PM No.24559290
One word for you, retard: Svidrigailov.

Additionally, the pawnbroker's murder is one of the most tense scenes in writing, period. Porfiry Petrovich's musings are pretty fun too.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:37:50 PM No.24559537
Constance Garnett is the greatest female writer ever. Shut your stupid mouth.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:47:06 PM No.24559553
every dosty novel
every dosty novel
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>>24559078 (OP)
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:27:19 AM No.24559641
>>24559078 (OP)
Notes from Underground is Dostoevsky's best. The rest of his work is melodramatic, Crime and Punishment is the best of these.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 2:08:41 AM No.24559808
>>24559078 (OP)
Dosto is a flailing moralist who, as Nabokov rightly pointed out, failed to deliver on C&P's central promise that anyone and everyone could be driven to murder.
>>24559290
Svidrigailov is the highlight of the novel for me as well, but it doesn't save it.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 10:14:56 AM No.24560640
>>24559078 (OP)
If you are alluding to Dostoevsky’s worst novels, then, indeed, I dislike intensely The Brothers Karamazov and the ghastly Crime and Punishment rigamarole. No, I do not object to soul-searching and self-revelation, but in those books the soul, and the sins, and the sentimentality, and the journalese, hardly warrant the tedious and muddled search. Dostoyevsky’s lack of taste, his monotonous dealings with persons suffering with pre-Freudian complexes, the way he has of wallowing in the tragic misadventures of human dignity – all this is difficult to admire. I do not like this trick his characters have of ”sinning their way to Jesus” or, as a Russian author, Ivan Bunin, put it more bluntly, ”spilling Jesus all over the place." Crime and Punishment’s plot did not seem as incredibly banal in 1866 when the book was written as it does now when noble prostitutes are apt to be received a little cynically by experienced readers. Dostoyevsky never really got over the influence which the European mystery novel and the sentimental novel made upon him. The sentimental influence implied that kind of conflict he liked—placing virtuous people in pathetic situations and then extracting from these situations the last ounce of pathos. Non-Russian readers do not realize two things: that not all Russians love Dostoevsky as much as Americans do, and that most of those Russians who do, venerate him as a mystic and not as an artist. He was a prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. I admit that some of his scenes, some of his tremendous farcical rows are extraordinarily amusing. But his sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes are not to be endured for one moment—by this reader anyway. Dostoyevsky seems to have been chosen by the destiny of Russian letters to become Russia’s greatest playwright, but he took the wrong turning and wrote novels.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 10:28:06 AM No.24560658
>>24559078 (OP)
I agree with you, but it was my gateway into reading actual literature back in high school so I won’t slander it too much.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:35:47 PM No.24560788
>>24559078 (OP)
That's just every dosto novel