Wow, that was eye opening. It’s like Mein Kampf but for lefties.

>>24560184 (OP)
Antimarxist, ahistorical, immaterial garbage not worth the paper it's printed on, and no leftist, especially communists, should ever entertain this book.

>>24560194
How is it ahistorical? The book is rooted in materialism lol

>>24560198
His central premise is so far off the mark that there's no possible way it can be rooted in historical materialism

>>24560208
What do you mean central premise? All his conclusions are worked out from materialist first principles and primary sources.

>>24560194
>>24560208
Maoist third worldism has always been ‘Fascism but for third worlders instead of Europeans’ hence why they always support Fascist dictatorships like Iran or Zimbabwe which have nothing to do with communism.

>>24560311
mental illness
read mao (while understanding who the target audience is) and come back and reread your slop

>>24560184 (OP)
Eh, just read CLR James and World Systems and start executing mid level managers in corporate and government that are hated.

>>24560311
All the Marxist experiments ended up fascistic

>What do you mean central premise? All his conclusions are worked out from materialist first principles and primary sources.

>To provide just one example of Sakai’s shoddy historical research, he writes on page 53 of Settlers: “The pro-imperialist labor aristocracy — which in 1914 Lenin estimated at roughly 20% of the German working class — were the leaders of the German trade-unions, the ‘socialist’ party, etc.” Unsurprisingly, no mention is made of what text Lenin supposedly made this estimation in (much less a citation). I have scoured through all of Lenin’s writings and have yet to find anywhere he claims twenty percent of the German working class belonged to the “labor aristocracy.” Neither in 1914 nor in any other year.

>Further, it’s very frustrating that Sakai nowhere explains what his criteria are for someone belonging to the “labor aristocracy.” Instead he just cites US Labor Bureau statistics, but then follows it by parenthetically claiming that “60% of this section is labor aristocracy.” As if that were a category the Labor Bureau would ever use. On the following page he just baldly asserts that “the settler labor aristocracy is considerably larger than its hard core, perhaps comprising as much as 50% of all male Euro-Amerikans.” Because Sakai provides no information for how he arrives at this figure, there is no way of assessing its accuracy.

>The “labor aristocracy” thesis first advanced by Engels during the 1890s and then expanded upon by Lenin between 1905 and 1922 has already been challenged convincingly by writers such as Charles Post and organizations like the International Communist Current as first “a myth” and then “a sociological theory to divide the working class.” Even granting some anecdotal validity to the observation that there’s an elite stratum of skilled laborers — who, to use Lenin’s metaphor, “fight for the scraps that fall off the imperialist table” — there’s no empirical grounding of the thesis. Mostly it’s just a post-hoc rationalization of working class reformism and defeat.

Ah yes, "materialist first principles" (???) and "primary sources"

https://thecharnelhouse.org/2017/05/15/dont-bother-reading-settlers-by-j-sakai/

>>24560184 (OP)
CIA psyop

>lefties pretend their ideas aren't self serving sectarian bullshit by dressing it up in nice sounding mystic scientism
I've read Lassalle already anon.

>>24560184 (OP)
I've been hearing a lot about this book on this board in the past, and while I never read it, the claim that the white working class in the United States constitutes a privileged labor aristocracy and that the colonized peoples of the United States constitutes as its proletariat is perhaps the most retarded thing I have ever read.

>>24560194
>Antimarxist
Good. Will probably bother with reading this one if that's really the case.

>>24560184 (OP)
>>24560194
>>24560198
>>24560208
The fact there's even discussion and not outright destruction of this loxist bullshit is why Japan deserved several more nukes and the entirety of America should be enslaved by National Socialists.

>>24560184 (OP)
Isn't this only really popular with Black Israelite types

>>24560184 (OP)
>anonymous author
>"Maoist" that supports Tibet
>constantly criticizes the notion of workers of different races organizing together
I'm not a Marxist, but this feels like a cointelpro psyop

>>24561242
That's because "J. Sakai" most likely doesn't even exist and whoever is behind that moniker is a fed. It's for people that haven't actually read major theorists like Marx, Engels, or Lenin and are swept up in post 60s new left mental diarrhea, especially MLM/Shining Path/Third Worldist types.

>>24560579
>>24561242
>>24562288
https://libcom.org/article/when-race-burns-class-settlers-revisited-interview-j-sakai

Fucking retarded polfaggots at least pretend to be literate
>muh cia cointelpro mkultra commie false flag
Kill yourselves.

>>24562298
>We identify primarily with the trends of working-class solidarity, co-operation, direct action and struggle throughout history: whether those movements are self-consciously libertarian communist (as in the Spanish revolution) or not; whether they identify explicitly as class movements or as movements against systemic inequalities under capitalism such as the anti-racist, LGBT and women's movements. We are also influenced by certain specific theoretical and practical traditions, such as anarchist-communism, anarcho-syndicalism, Autonomist Marxism, black liberation, council communism, feminism, ultra-left Marxism, and others.
The infantile disorder strikes again

that sakai surname is super suspicious

>>24562308
not only that, but there are 0 pictures of the guy and we live in the internet age, its not helping the idea of settlers being a fbi psyop

>>24562306
Have you even read Sakai? You obviously haven’t read Lenin since you’re using that term wrong.

>>24562320
>no pictures of the author of a radical communist pamphlet published 50 years ago
Gee I wonder why. Meanwhile you don’t think twice about Pynchon?

>>24562321
But the US class conscious movement is infantile, and ultraleftist foqo bullshit is a disorder of the US class conscious movement's youth. Like spinal deformation.

An *adult* ultraleft movement in the US would be raiding costco with trucks.

>>24562399
You are very much an adult, with a very mature adult opinion obviously sculpted by your years of adulting. Exit stage left, mr menaker your ubereats has arrived

leftism is no longer a threat in America, there is no popular Maoism or Leninism. the left had no answer to the 2008 crash, at most they promoted social democracy of the bernie, aoc, zohran types, or intersectional liberal identity politics.
The left hate and scorn the working class, the working class that has been destroyed by automation, outsourcing, immigration, and moving the factories to china. they uplift people of color and other minorities symbolically while they live in big cities and exploit the same minorities by having them be nannies who take care of their children or deliver their door dash. the left in america isnt a workers movement, its a student movement of PMC's who seek to abolish student loans and toss scraps to brown people and trannies.

If sakai is real and not a psyop he is a moron who thinks that a white homeless fent addict is the same as elon musk or jeff bezos cause they are both white.

>>24562415
I'm not actually going to communicate mature actions in a US terrain here mate.

>>24562433
You didn’t read him that’s not his thesis you retard lol

Your historical analysis is dead wrong, I doubt you are even 21

>>24560184 (OP)
This book, Night Vision by Butch Lee and False Nationalism False Internationalism are a breathe of fresh air. no wonder limp dicked western lefties who hide behind their dogmatism and build themselves castles made of books to avoid facing the world surrounding them throw relentless attacks. About the non academic method, the dubious sources, the ridiculous 'cointelpro' accusations. Meanwhile their movement is filled to the brim with self inflicted eunuchs self medicating on estradiol. What a nightmare

>>24562444
his basic premise is that a lower class white person and white oligarch are of the same class because they are both white

did my analysis hit too close to home for ya?

>>24562467
Source on that? Sakai called Rockefeller a prole?

>>24562447
>Night Vision
>A book that should be read by anyone who gives a damn about a non-racist, non-sexist, non-homophobic future.

>>24562467
>basic
So it isn't his premise, it is your tendentious summary of Sakai's CLR James influenced periphery within the metropole?

>>24562472
he implies it by calling all white people, even proles, as being unredeemable "settlers' becuase they are white.

its like, to him, the white prole is on the same standing and the british royal family or rockafeller

Even Fred Hampton and the Black Panthers saw the importance of the white proletariat as an ally under his rainbow coalition

>>24562560
Even Mao Zedong and the Chinese Communist Party saw the importance of the nationalist bourgeoisie as an ally under his four class alliance.

>>24562560
the panthers were a bunch of larpers that only became "real" because the media made them into a big thing, just more fake ass shit in a long line of it

>>24562505
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>>24562565
Sakai doesn’t argue against that so I’m not sure what based and epic gotcha you think you had there

i went to a big commie college and one of my friends met sakai once, i'm pretty sure he's real and not a fed. stunning evidence i know. i don't think a fed would write basic politics of movement security.

>>24562568
In what way were they larpers and not a genuine Marxist-Leninist organization?

>>24562568
Why were all their leaders killed/imprisoned while the weather underground basically got off scot free

>>24562565
And they were right!

>>24562592
Because Weather Underground didn't give working class kids breakfast.

the whole thing just seems like a weird inversion of fascism. like what does he want? all the white people to go back to europe? for all the people of color to team up and to kill all the white people? not going to happen.
Anyone who subscribes to sakiism is just on a wild goose chase that will never end.

Imagine wasting your life on such a fool

literrly an ideology for self hating white people. the ideology of "but im one of the good ones" kek

>>24562674
You've just pretty much outed yourself as a racist who can't imagine a class theory.

>>24562674
Why don’t you actually read the fucking book? This is a literature board after all, it’s even got pictures for your little pol brain to keep focused.

>>24562680
>class theory

lol, this saki guy just thinks of nothing but race

dude literally wants to send all the white people to the third world and bring the third world to america

im the racist?

dude literally wants all the people of color to team up and then want. send the white people back to europe?

this is some idea a really stupid child came up with lol

>>24562698
>blah blah blah white people evil, people of color perfect angels who need to rise up and kill whitey

>>24562699
That isn't what Sakai writes mate. Some of us have read this off-the-deep-end Maoist. Some of us have read Posadas.

>>24562710
Why are reactionaries afraid of mathematics and primary sources?

settlers is oudated, it made sense for the boomer generation, but the current generation of white people have lost most of the privileges the boomers had, like a steady job, or being able to buy a house, etc.
that is all besides the point, cause settlers just seems like liberal identity politics taken to its end point

>>24562718
>reactionaries
What do you mean by reactionary?

>>24562724
>settlers just seems like liberal identity politics taken to its end point
Don’t know how you got there since Sakai is a radical communist and despises liberals but you’re the boss mr transgenerational cultural analyst expert

>>24562718
according to leftiods math is racist

>>24562724
Sakai's argument is that the white "proletariat" has its nation to sell. And they've not sold that yet.

>>24562732
sakai is obsessed with race like a liberal, he doesnt want the different races of people organizing together, he wants a race war, not a class war. he wants all the people of color to either kill or kick out white people

this is just an extreme form of tumblr era liberal idpol translated to maoist jargon

>>24562739
>this is just an extreme form of tumblr era liberal idpol translated to maoist jargon
That sounds like a /thread/ to me

>>24562739
>this is just an extreme form of tumblr era liberal idpol
It was written around 1978 by a line worker in a union plant.

>>24562739
He didn’t say that, he said this. Refute it, if you can.

>>24562758
no wonder it fucking sucks and is retarded

>>24562764
refute what?
chinks being exploited 1000000 years ago

who cares


sakai hates white people, he ignores shit like bacons rebellion or down plays it because it doesnt feed his narrative that all white people are irredeemable settlers

he is a fed making it so the lowerclass of diffrent races dont get organized

>>24562780
>he is a fed making it so the lowerclass of diffrent races dont get organized
Outstanding take.

>>24562780
You do realize you’re only strengthening Sakai’s position by dismissing historical materialism on the grounds of race? If 85% of your agricultural workforce is Chinese, what claim do you have to muh rugged anglo germanic salt of the earth farmers that built this country?

>>24562841
>what claim do you have to muh rugged anglo germanic salt of the earth farmers that built this country?
No one made that claim aside from you

>>24562845
Then you agree with Sakais thesis.

>>24562853
No because he is not a Marxist

>>24562865
You have that in common so what’s the problem? Because he engages in praxis?

>>24562853
>>24562865
>>24562871
But everyone from Lenin to Stalin (On Linguistics) to Mao to Autonomia (CLR James) agrees that Nationality is a foundational element of capital's superstructure and is used to instantiate the relations of production in racialised manners.

>>24562876
>Nationality is a foundational element of capital's superstructure and is used to instantiate the relations of production in racialised manners.
If nation always leads to a crystallization of racial awareness, then why the ever loving fuck did the USSR have a commissariat for nationalities?

>>24560311
Many Maoists like Iran because it’s the strongest force in the world openly against the US hegemony, but besides that, their actual ideologies couldn’t be more different. You understand very little of what you’re saying

>>24562841
Wasn't at this time race positivism the current thing?

>>24562758
Do you have a single fact to back that up