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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 2:47:12 AM No.24562765
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The trope about the genius misunderstood writer who lived in poverty is very popular, but what about the writers who achieved fame and riches while still alive? Can you think of some examples? Shakespeare? Tolstoy?
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 3:07:03 AM No.24562828
>Fitzgerald, Hemingway, JK, Tom Clancy and so on
It's more a question of how you define riches, as most writers in history were already wealthy aristocrats going in.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 3:10:17 AM No.24562839
All I can think of is Houellebecq for some reason, Maxime Chattam, Lauren Oliver and those guys from Royalroad who make $12 to $30k a month. I only read to escape real life hell, like most people.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 5:40:35 AM No.24563213
Stephen king. Fame, riches. Even got to visit that special island .
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 5:45:45 AM No.24563225
>>24562765 (OP)
You could become famous and rich by writing slop for teenagers and women, while the geniuses live in obscurity until their time comes. It's natural that nobody wants to romanticise the former group.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 5:49:12 AM No.24563234
>>24562839
>$12k a month
>Riches
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 5:50:28 AM No.24563236
>>24563225
>while the geniuses live in obscurity until their time comes
This is true by definition of every famous person
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 5:52:00 AM No.24563240
>>24563234
$144k annually for writing is more than you could ever dream of.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 5:55:51 AM No.24563246
>>24563240
Yeah and $30K a year for scratching my ass would be a lot but it's not riches
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 5:56:38 AM No.24563247
>>24562765 (OP)
>the genius misunderstood writer who lived in poverty is very popular
because they're associated with a commitment to the craft which begets great works
there are plenty of writers who became successful and wealthy in their time. very few who were great writers
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 5:59:49 AM No.24563254
>>24563247
JK Rowling is a great writer
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:01:29 AM No.24563258
>>24563246
No one said 30k a year was riches. Why not just say “144k for scratching my ass” if that was your original point to begin with? You try to be pedantic and you fail to be consistent with even that. Sad!
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:04:06 AM No.24563265
>>24563258
So you're saying 144k is riches then
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:07:22 AM No.24563273
>>24563265
You’re saying 144k for writing pithy little stories on a website isn’t riches? Most people don’t get paid that amount for tangible, decade-long careers.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:09:52 AM No.24563277
>>24563273
Comparatively good compensation for effort given is not riches
Hence the $30K for ass scratching
Riches is wealth
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:16:11 AM No.24563287
>>24563277
>Comparatively good compensation for effort given is not riches
144k is objectively material wealth. Aka riches. A pile of gold on the ground could be called riches.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:24:05 AM No.24563298
>>24563240
Yeah for 144k a month you could have just become a doctor, it's easier and you'll earn more than that.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:25:03 AM No.24563304
>>24563265
Depends on where you live! In NYC you are just getting by, in Myanmar you are living like a king!
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:03:20 PM No.24563934
>>24563298
I think they meant a year
Anonymouṡ
7/19/2025, 3:09:03 PM No.24564164
>>24562765 (OP)
Are we talking "good" writers?

SOME REAL WRITERS WHO MADE A DECENT AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM WRITING:

— Shakespeare
Did pretty well but it's hard to say how much was a result of his writing and how much came from his acting / theatre-managing / theatre-directing etc. The Globe put on loads of plays, not just Shakespeare's own.

— Dickens
Earned £3000 p.a. apparently at his height. That was pretty good going in the mid-1800s. (A lot of this was from public recitals where he read from / acted out his book. Surprising that was such a thing but I guess when you don't have cinema or the internet or any way of recording music, it's going to be.)

— Trollope
He was the guy who got up at 5:30am and wrote 3K words every morning before going to his job at the Post Office. He wrote 45 novels and apparently earned £70,000 from them over his lifetime, which is about £3 million these days. Respectable but hardly J. K. Rowling level. (Not sure if he gave up his P.O. job once he had a decent amount of money. I suppose he might have liked it.)

— Walter Scott
He ought to have been super-wealthy but he got screwed by a combination of bad luck, shady partners and extreme honesty. He became a partner in some publishing firm and it crashed with debts of over £120,000. He refused to declare bankruptcy because he considered that was just stealing from his creditors so he set to work and wrote a whole bunch of stuff and actually paid all the debt off. But the overwork probably killed him. I think it was the equivalent of earning about £7-8 million in a few years these days. Again, not bad but we're not talking Taylor Swift here.


FUN ANECDOTE:

When D. H. Lawrence got his first novel (The White Peacock) accepted, the publisher advanced him £50 from the royalties (i.e. he got the £50, and then any royalties up to £50 they would keep, then he would start getting a small proportion of them. So if it flops, they lose, but if it's a hit, they win.)

Anyway D.H.L. showed this book to his coal-miner father who looked at it grimly. The following conversation ensued:

Father: "How much did they pay you for this?"
D.H.L. (proudly): "£50, father."
Father (with scorn): “£50?! And you've never done a day's work in your life.”
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 3:47:46 PM No.24564260
>>24562765 (OP)
Raymonds Chandler and Bradbury
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 3:57:14 PM No.24564276
Cormac was a broke ass cracka most of his life but then he got Oprah book club and Coen Brothers movie money when he was almost too old to enjoy it