>More Hegel and Kant lately on shit/lit/ than SchopenGod and Nietzsche
What the fuck is going on??????

>>24564818 (OP)
Folx are getting older and moving past babby's first philosophy like schopes and nietz

>>24564818 (OP)
/lit/ is becoming more intelligent, more concerned with ideas rather than feelings. Nobody reads Schopenhauer or Nietzsche for their ideas. They read them because they enjoy the mood of their work. They’re like poets for people who get filtered by real poets. I’m glad /lit/ is finally moving on from that.

>>24564861
>>24564865
t.hegeltards

NEETzsche is the go-to incel prophet and died a slow, miserable death because he fucked a prostitute without a rubber and contracted syphilis. NEETzsche is trash for virgin losers.
>NOOOOOOOO, NOT LE HECKIN' GOODBOY HORSERINO!!! STAHP!!! ;_;
Faggot.

>>24564887
What's the point of making false empirical claims?

>>24564931
>UMMM... THAT'S FALSE
Here's a picture of your favorite "philosophical powerhouse" shitting his pants in an endless syphilitic stupor LMFAO

>>24564931
In our modern world. Perception, Opinion, Bias, Preconception, Subjectivity is reality. And therefore the beautiful thing called Language, which exists to serve retarded subjects. Shapes reality.

In short: You can say whatever you want is true and it is true because its conditional on whether people want it to be, believe it to be, and think it to be.

>>24564961
How Nietzschean

>>24564996
I was moreso thinking Wittgenstein, but I've always thought they have similar perspectives on truth, Wittgenstein just focused more on the language aspect whereas Nietzsche on the psychological aspect. (which is ironic since Nietzsche is actually the linguist) picrel is something I could straight up imagine Wittgenstein saying.

>>24564961
> short: You can say whatever you want is true and it is true because its conditional on whether people want it to be, believe it to be, and think it to be.
No. Study math or Aristotle or Plotinus. Either one.

>>24565117
lol. i dont care about aristotle tard. equivalent of "facts over feelings" modern day conservatives, and if you cant understand how, and why thats bad, then im not interested in anything you have to say.
Wittgenstein destroyed him.

blitzkrieg between kraut schizo factions
the tomes of old foretold of this

>>24564818 (OP)
The epistemology of existence is sometimes marked by a peace between the controonentals and the analtards. This division is itself a presupposition of that which has been divided. The metaphysicians for time immemorial that sought a higher object only to find the endgame is probabilistic. The resulting amalgamation finds itself consuming all and endlessly regurgitating and reconsoooming in the great societal ecosystem. Periodically a philoherdsman has to put a rampaging Lakatosian monster down, the result is a detonation and the inevitable memetic spread of whatever particular mind virus caused the creature to lose it. The herd absorbs this virus readily and greedily and has to once again perform the metaphysical manipulations that always work out the same. If there are finite calculations to be performed then these are performed until the supply runs out and either a Wittgensteinian silence ensues or the analtard leaves the safety of analytic agreement to feast on the metaphysical shart that litters the environment is strove so hard to leave. The labyrinth is fed either way. Mustache cultivation, linguistic tropes, structures, morphing, degradation, sexual proclivities, insanity, psychology overlaps, insulting stemlords, sperging out, engaging in banal political discourse, looking for answers in science and math, and of course, the metaphysics. The end result is an animal that only wants to know what it is.

>>24565004
Wittgenstein read Nietzsche at some point.

>>24565154
far more likely he read Schopenhaeur as he seems to directly reference his "will" in PI.

>>24565129
lol

kant is a chillguy.i love him!never read hegel. i thought /lit/ is a kant + nietzche board.

>>24564818 (OP)
Retarded progressivist libtards are everywhere sadly.

>>24565185
Based.

>>24565228
I honestly find weirdly that progressives are much more inclined towards Nietzsche, not really liberals. Nietzsche is fundamentally opposed to liberalism, not even by choice, by sheer nature.

>>24565427
Nietzsche is very progressive. You can just disagree w his takes on morality but keep the evolutionary metaphysics if a progressive left nietzschean

>>24565581
Nietz literally thinks people are fundamentally not equal, and that Napoleon was a good thing, even contrary to his master Schopenhaeur (the napoleon part, not sure what schop thought of equality)
Progressives are still more often than not pathetic people that cant let go of liberalism, they just dont like the capitalism aspect, and are more aggressively against categories and hierarchies.

I think progressives like Nietzsche more because hes something like a counter revolutionary, in book form. He was one of the very first to challenge nearly every aspect of the status quo and infamously christianity of course.

So theyll ignore his more radical challenges, and eat up the things that are already easier to believe in, in the modern day; That truth is a matter of perspective, that religion and god is dead, and Christianity isnt as nice as it sounds.

It also of course helps that Nietzsche influenced a lot of the pillars of modern leftism, like critical theory, post modernism etc.

>>24565603
Napoleon was progressive af lolz. Why do you think Hegel liked him? Hegel liked Alexander too fwiw

>>24565611
Hegel is a fucking loser. Also it doesnt matter whether Napoleon was "progressive" in some abstract sense. One of the premier things modern progressives despise is Colonialism, and other than Columbus, Napoleon is basically the face of Colonialism.

>>24565625
Progressives are colonial af. Learn some geneaology. That's why they want the primitives to progress. The white man's burden.
>hegel is a loser
Lmao filtered sorry you're on the wrong end of the bell curve

>>24564818 (OP)
Kant is the most formative philosopher since Plato.
Hegel is actually one of the major contemporary questions of philosophy. It's a wave, get on it B)

>>24565004
subjective impulses are numerous. the caveman conveyed the idea that there was a dangerous animal so his pack lived. the idea that people just blurted out inconsequential nonsense and that became language which also means nothing is absurd. it makes sense that the source of language may be this primitive impulse transforming into sound, which came to be because it proved useful but it doesn't say much about what it has evolved into.

>>24565749
I think youre stupid and dont remotely understand Nietzsche or Wittgenstein.

It is genuinely kind of insane how retarded some people are, and yet how confident they are while not really saying anything other than "Ermmm I cant really believe this".
You are fucking retarded. The fuck do you know about language?
>the caveman conveyed the idea that there was a dangerous animal so his pack lived. the idea that people just blurted out inconsequential nonsense and that became language which also means nothing is absurd.
"woah, da caveman said something dis mean language not inconsequential, it absurd to think that"
yeah nice "arguments", every piece of it rests on two 3 words "not inconsequential" and "absurd" because you dont even establish anything at a basic logical level.

Such a fucking retard.

>>24564887
>>24564958
Nietzsche didn't have syphilis lmao. One doctor gave a faulty prognosis, then several other doctors contradicted it due to Nietzsche not suffering from most of syphilis' symptoms (no tounge tremor, living for way too long, mental state being completely different pre-collapse)

The fact that you posted the fake horse story, written by a tabloid only after Nietzsche got popular, is proof that you get your info from YouTube videos and Reddit /r/philosophy memes

>>24565777
you're insufferable and have 1 IQ.

>>24565779
True. However. Honestly, the alternate possibility that he was schizophrenic bodes worse for his philosophy than syphilis...

>>24565789
Hmm, contract syphilis. This is the only way to find out.

>>24565786
Lol retard. Nice intelligence. All you can do is adhom, while I make an actual argument. Kill yourself and get out of here.

>>24565813
>he is a nietzschean
>he thinks logic (moreover informal fallacy) is real
NTA but not beating the 1 IQ accusation there, champ

>>24565817
I never said I was a Nietzschean, youre a retard. Exposing yourself with the classic most retard flaw: Presumed Basis
Otherwise known as assumption.

Besides if truth is perspective. I retain the perspective that Ad hominems are retarded.

>>24565824
>doesn't understand meaning of perspectivism
Still not beating the charges there, champ

>>24565830
>thinks perspectivism means logic is invalid
are you retarded? logic is just a word retard.

>>24565813
well to be fair even if you made an argument I wouldn't know because only thing I've read longer than three words in your posts is the Nietzsche quote which is what I responded to. and got nothing back.

You have to understand the current-year philosophy game. By the 1800s, and frankly even before then, the truth has been arrived at: the universe is deterministic, and reality is subjective. That’s it, there’s nothing more to say. If the universe is deterministic, morals and ethics are a meaningless topic. If reality is subjective, all discussions about how we know things is over (outside of wrangling specific details). So, at the end of the philosophical era in the 1800s, what was left? Well, Hegel did his scam and Nietzsche wrote philosophical comic books, both appealing to the masses. Schopenhauer became demoralizes at the end of learning, and could only explain how IQ was everything to a person and beyond that you suffer and had no choice but to suffer. There have been many grifters since who tried to find a place in the severely shrinking philosophic industry, but their ideas are all dead, outside of the great grifter Hegel, but probably only because the USSR propped him up a special influence on Marx. So, naturally, discussion tends, in our late day, to center on the end-point of philosophy because there’s been no new revelations, and for the midwits there’s the great philosophy-entertainers to go back to.

>>24565842
you didnt say anything, and you're too retarded to understand that. you dont even understand what makes human language unique and distinct from animals, or else you wouldn't have used such a retarded caveman example as if you know shit about "cave men " youre a literal retard.

>>24565854
>you don't know anything! you're stupid! here's me repeating myself a million times without making an argument like a dribbling retard while claiming otherwise!!
YOU need to end your life.

I am checking out of this conversation. regrettable interchange with nietzschean faggot, as per usual.

>>24565833
>is now doing presume basis fallacy he accused of others of
>one post after indulging in the ad homs he is mad at others for
Hmmmm

>>24565853
Wow... I've never seen someone so incredibly filtered before. Funny how Schopenhauer makes such a big deal of IQ when he is a midwit with midwit followers.

>>24565862
does this retard lack reading comprehension? how many times do I have to tell him that his fundamental contribution was predicated on multiple misunderstandings of language? and even if it was true, the language of cave men wouldn't even be remotely close to even pretending to have the capacity for truth telling that language even 3000 years ago did. unless youre retarded enough to think that when a deer stomps their foot and gives a warning to other deer of danger, that theyre making a "truth" claim

and this is without even getting into the implicit flaw of logic that you were retarded enough to even express without understanding.
>>24565749
>which came to be because it proved useful but it doesn't say much about what it has evolved into.

the implication that ssomething "comes to be because it proved useful" demonstrates such a lack of understanding of not just language but how human beings fundamentally process truth.

It was not THAT long ago for a modern society that they did not know to wash their hands before medical procedures, or that lobotomies were retarded, or that homosexuality was a pathology.

This isnt even Nietzsche shit, this is just basic Focault shit.

Youre simply not saying anything of substance because youre a retard that doesnt understand anything.

Hence why your entire initial contribution was littered with characterizing words.

>-Nonsense
>-Inconsequential
>-Absurd
words with no necessary substance, but rely on mere association and implication, which is stronger than actual meaning, so strong that they override the capacity for the word to mean something, it becomes a label to simply communicate "stay away or pay attention" as simple as the stomp of a Doe's feet to warn the herd to stay away, or the bleat of a Doe to call her fawn to her out of hiding.

Simply calling somebody "psychotic" is more effective than actually demonstrating any symptoms of psychosis they possess.

But youre not intelligent enough to understand that.

>>24565880
>((foucault))
>implying homosexuality is not a pathology
Give up philosophy, lad, you've not have the brains.

>>24565853
>Hegel did his scam and Nietzsche wrote philosophical comic books, both appealing to the masses.
Hegel objectively appealed to the masses...atleast the academic masses, somehow despite his...writing style.

Nietzsche on the other hand didnt become particularly popular until very late in his life and arguably after his death, like Schopenhaeur. He definitely was not appealing to the masses, especially at his time.

I think people forget that the idea of reality being subjective and/or deterministic is honestly a VERY recent thing. I dont care if you can find some example of some Native Americans preaching such in some shitty book before Nietzsche.

But I can remember literally just like 15 to 20 years ago, the idea of reality being objective was still fairly strong, and you can probably go even further and it was still strong.

It wasnt truly until those who came after Nietzsche, influenced by Nietzsche, that all these relativistic, perspectivist, and general post modern thought really came into fruiton, and EVEN during those times Liberalism, Modernity, and the confidence in science was STILL immensely strong, especially after America basically defeated all its competition and became king of the world.

So during Nietzsche's time, it definitely was not settled that Reality was subjective and determined.

You have to remember too that Nietzsche was on the cusp of psychology coming into its own.

My point is, things werent as set in stone regarding our understandings then as you seem to think.

>>24565897
>thinks subjectivism is true
>thinks determinism is true
NPC detected

>>24565888
Are you retarded? I dont understand this stupidity and why its bad for me to call this stupid when its stupid.

I dont understand how you can appeal to "usefulness" like a retard, to validate language, and then when I make the point about homosexuality, you act like being conservative is suddenly being philosophical.

Conversion Therapy didnt work. Therapies didnt work. Medicines didnt work. None of the normal standard methods for dealing with pathologies and mental disorders were effective on homosexuals. Therefore the categorization was not useful, and this is ignoring whether it was even a true categorization, because something can be useful even if its not true.

If people think somebody is a killer, but theyre not, but you execute the killer anyway to abate the masses, then it doesnt matter what was "true". It was useful to calm dissent.

>>24565902
okay youre trolling or mentally disabled, i literally made no truth claims

>>24565907
Pragmatism is a common school of analytic language philosophy. Wittgenstein himself says the meaning of a word is its usage.
>>24565908
>mentally disabled
Bold words for a mentally ill homosexual although I suppose that's a redundant description.

These threads are depressing. 1 in 100,000 people read philosophy and of those that do, 99% of them are absolute retards.

>>24564818 (OP)
The /pol/ chuddies are getting le heckin owned!
Love wins, punch Nazis, Kant says Trans Rights

>>24565944
Kant is a based and redpilled racist and sexist. So was Hegel. And Nietz. And Schopes. Quite confused where this comment comes from.

>>24565947
Enough yapping chud
/lit/ is part of the gaybourhood and you and Nietzsche aren't welcome

>>24565927
>Pragmatism is a common school of analytic language philosophy. Wittgenstein himself says the meaning of a word is its usage.
Why do so many dumb fucking retards bother saying shit despite being dumb? Shut the fuck up, you have never read Wittgenstein, this is the most "I read Wittgenstein's wikepedia page, and r/philosophymemes" shit I have ever heard.

"Usage" is not the same as "Usefulness" dumb fucking retard.

>>24565954
You seem angry. Do you need to dilate?

>>24565876
A low-IQ won’t understand it, of course. Any high-IQ immediately recognizes his analysis as being the truth because it’s their own experience. Stupid people seek social contact, get bored and require diversions, etc. The last time I felt genuine boredom was when I was a teenager, and as an adult I’ve never once lacked for many things I wanted to pursue. For a long time I believed my rejection of social interaction was from an undiagnosed personality disorder — it’s not that I failed at it, I could do it just fine, but I found it draining and an unwanted drag on my free time. In reality, that’s just how high-IQ people are like.

For example, if you had a billion dollars, what would you do? By a mansion in a hot spot, cars, and throw parties? I would buy a nice solo sailing yacht and cross the world’s oceans by myself. Not a super yacht like an oil prince, because even though they are luxurious they need crews — and all I want is endless waves and weather in all directions for days on end. That would be like paradise for me. I didn’t actually realize that it was an IQ thing until Schopenhauer explained it to me.

>>24565977
>Dunning-Kruger: The Post
Literally crying laughing at this thread. Beautiful

>>24565876
In general people who talk about IQ are always midwits. Every shitty IQ thread we have is full of STEMfags and Schopenhauer kids.

>>24565977
Why did you respond to the blatant shallow low quality bait post instead of my actual indepth response? What the fuck is this board????

>>24565977
he would buy a bmw 3 series.

it must be such a thoroughly pleasing experience for an introvert to sailboat smoothly on the endless, serene oceans. that shit really sounds exquisite. yet I can't help but think bunch of somali pirates fucking up that fantasy.

no matter what you do there's some human scum waiting in the dark corners to come out and spoil your experience.

I would love to have a legit idealism thread but I’m pretty sure I’m the only anon left who reads idealists. It’s just this one guy spamming Kant’s picture and crickets. It’s because of the declining IQ of the board frankly. Not one of the anons who have namechecked Hegel ITT have read even one of his books and they probably couldn’t if they tried.

>>24566008
Correct, the IQ level of this board is much too low for that discussion,

>>24566008
Ek? His evangelism landed this place on the elite reader radar. Kant still filters most readers.

We can turn this thread into an idealism thread though. You hear that everyone, elite reader material time.

>>24566008
Ok I'll bite. I'm going to LARP as the kantspammer sometimes known as esoteric kantanon. What do you want to talk about on this world famous platform the literary elite read?

>>24566008
>i'm super speshul and unique because i read idealist literature which is some of the most famous and widely read period of all philosophical literature
Lmao. The faggotry here is yuge

>>24566046
meanwhile philosophers in the academy churn out firewood for soi politics

>>24566060
>he doesn't know
If you don't know you don't know you think you know but everyone who does know knows you don't know.

>>24565853
Did the universe determine that you would see reality subjectively? If so, wouldn't that be an objective fact that you subjectively perceive as wrong?

>>24566077
I've been noticing aswell a lot, so many ignorant tards who think theyre intelligent, saying such blatantly retarded shit, like isnt hegel still one of those few philosophers that has their own specific club of people who exclusively study him

>>24564818 (OP)
It appears that /lit/ is a Lutheran board.

Leibniz
Kant
Schopenhauer
Nietzsche
etc.

all from a Lutheran background.

>>24566193
?? atleast 2 of these guys are blatantly anti christian

>>24566196
only exoterically.

>>24566202
Does that mean the other two are only exoterically Lutheran as well?

>>24566196
Neetzsche couldn't escape his Lutheran upbringing, unfortunately for him. He inherited both voluntarism (will over intellect) and nominalism (no essences) from Luther, and hence from Ockham.

>>24566196
>anti christian
you can just say "jewish" it's alright i won't tell

>30 gazillion mentions of Nietzsche and Kant
>No mention of SCHOPGOD
wtf is this??????

There are things I dislike about Nietzsche.
But I'd rather /lit/ continue to think about and talk about his works than not.

>>24566486
>There are things I dislike about Nietzsche.
like what?

>>24566486
there is no nietzsche. there's just this faint idea that nothing is real and everything is malleable including humans and logic, based on this premise people shoot the shit and it's called modern philosophy.

>>24564818 (OP)
The 2016 wound is healing. Slowly but surely

>>24566492
I think he was naive about jews and wrong about chandala.
Was right about almost everything else.

Le Schopenhaeur...

>>24567092
More like copenhauer

>>24564818 (OP)
wake me up when there's more Plato and Aristotle

Why did this thread die so fast? Was it always fake?

>>24568211
Nietzsche is a FAG (Fake and Gay)

>>24566046
That’s exactly my point, you should be able to have idealism threads, we used to have them all the time. But you have to be at least moderately intelligent and the state of the board, philosophy posters in particular, is such that no one can read them here. I’m not saying I’m extremely smart, I’m saying you’re extremely dumb. But even an idiot can dabble in Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, Plato.

>>24566027
>>24566041
Ok here’s one for you - what do you think of Hegel’s criticisms of Kant as a dualist? Is this a fair interpretation? Or do you favor a more phenomenological reading of Kant in which his dualism is more apparent (in the way he writes, the idiom he uses of representation and things in themselves etc) than real? I definitely lean toward the latter, but Hegel was no dummy, so I’d be happy to read an effortpost for the other side. Now let’s see if this simple but interesting question, which anyone who has read the idealists will have thoughts on, gets even one serious reply, besides maybe some Schoppseud posting a funny picture, or some schizo stoner asking me to “perform the calculation”. (I swear that guy’s shit posts are sponsored by Texas Instruments).

I will also point out for the record that the situation is just as bad for Aristotle. I explained to this dumb kid why phronesis was like aisthesis and how episteme is different from arete and he accused me of making Aristotle into Descartes and being a “substance modalist”. The people who post here are illiterate. Nothing but meme replies and astounding ignorance b/w insufferable arrogance. I really think their minds are warped by tech such that they actually can’t read abstract texts.

the midwit seethes in impotent paragraphs

>>24568526