I don't think I can keep reading this, it's making me feel sick. At first, I could feel myself becoming desensitized to it as I was reading, but I took a break from it for awhile and the thought of opening this filth up again makes me nauseous. But there is something compelling me to read on...I don't know what it is.

>>24565273 (OP)
Man up.

>>24565273 (OP)
Yeah I opened a random page and it talked about cutting of the limbs of a little boy while sodomizing him. And he kept living because the limbs were cut of "good enough". The other page was just pure bestiality.

But a question. Does the book offer at least some philosophical depth? Can one actually learn something apart from interesting ways to please some sadist?

>>24565273 (OP)
what is this? i've never heard about it before.

>>24565298
There is some philosophy sprinkled in every once in a while, but not enough imo. And the philosophy that is there is evil...

>>24565306
You don't want no part of this, kid

>>24565273 (OP)
Reading Justine changed me.

>>24565298
Evil in itself is a philosophy, same with hedonism. You gotta let go of your morality and just process the sheer sensation that the book gives you; in the end, it's all just /lit/.
I am very attracted to the sadean, -and I'm sexually sadistic (consensually)-, yet you would never guess that if you saw me; I've become so chilled out as the years go by.

>>24565298
It's all philosophy. The philosophy of radical materialism and moral nihilism. It's about the highest expressions of freedom. Nature is amoral and so are our libertines...Virtue is artificial and vice is natural. So, true freedom is found in transgression of the artifice of virtue. I feel sick reading it because I think he may be right...

>>24565381
Reading De Sade you know he was an evil genius, but a self-aware one who knew he was marked as evil just for being what he was, even though he had no choice in the matter. What he really hated was the hypocrisy of the the people that tell themselves they are "good"; most people are evil people in denial. Very Christian of him really.

>>24565385
In conclusion, I am a pedophile.

>>24565273 (OP)
many have referenced de Sade as the "influential modern philosopher" (H.Miller etc).
I myself think that Stirner has stolen a lot from de sade.
Nevertheless i think Sade was brain damaged pervert coomer inicapable of original thought and the "philosophy" that was sprinkled over was not original and was stolen from somewhere.
Anons pls help me out, what were the sources for de Sade. I guess Montesquieu but might be greeks aswell.

>>24565381
It's funny how this shit attracts this type of people/anons, they are all so similar when they talk about this crap, lol

That's the goal of that psycho, to lure you and expose you like this. Leaving you naked on a stage in front of a crowd full of closeted prudes.

>>24565397
>what were the sources for de Sade.
life

>>24565381
I own a big book containing Sade containing 120 Days of Sodomy, Philosophy in the Bedroom, Justine and Juliette.
Which one do you think is worth the most reading to actually understand his philosophy?

>>24565416
Justine

>>24565416
Burn that shit. And look erotic literature somewhere else.
Do you want to be shocked? read 120 DOS, and at the end ask yourself what have you learn, and then you will understand that being abused don't "teach" you shit. That's what sade does with you, and it's not sexy or arousing, he's not good at that.
It's like expecting to find a philosophical awakening watching the SAW movies or Friday the 13th

>>24565397
I don't know off the top of my head, but he is well know as a plagiarist. The into to my copy of Sodom explains it at depth. He would rip things verbatim from other writers.

>>24565430
You can still read it for the style. I find the novel to be hilarious. Sade is also a massive influence on surrealist artists and tons of writers, like Flaubert for instance.

>>24565416
Philosophy in the Bedroom, imo. It's a good mix of Sade's philosophy and erotica. One of my college textbooks actually had a (philosophy) part of it within so I think that's a pretty good indicator of approachableness. I like the concept of Justine but you can get the gist elsewhere.

I think his philosophy should really be looked at as pornography though. The vast majority of people reading Sade are completely powerless. Even Sade himself, whether he did this shit or not, was either a libertine patsy who got arrested or a pornographer who got arrested. The philosophy parts set up the justification for the erotic scenes, and I think erotic scenes are difficult to pull off without that. It's like watching 'stern teacher disciplines naughty pupil' on pornhub and thinking it's a guide on how to be a teacher. If you want pure philosophy I think there's probably better places to look.

>>24565419
>>24565528
Thanks. I will probably try both. They seem fairly short.

>>24565430
I wont burn that. I finally found a good second hand copy of his stuff. Hope there is no semen in there though.
But I have been interested in more of the "extreme" philosophers, if you want to call them that. F.e. Sade, Mainländer or Horstmann. Most known and "normal" philosophers have become so influential that it gets boring at times because their theory has influenced our modern worldview too much. I want to read something that sounds astronomical stupid but kinda makes sense when actually explained.

Apart form that I did read The Story of the Eye form Bataille and tried reading his 'Eroticism'. But the second one seemed too hard for me for now.

>>24565573
Lmao, I would be interested to know your thoughts about the 120 days of sodom when finished.

>>24565273 (OP)
Shock value trash. Not worth your time if you're over the age of 15.

>>24565397
Spinoza, d'Holbach, La Mettrie, Diderot

>>24565397
Rabelais and Voltaire shocked their audiences in their own time. Sade wanted to take the same concept to the most outrageous extreme he could think of. It is genuinely original, in my opinion, but not especially remarkable. The whole "sadistic philosophy" gag reads to me like it's just a parody of nobles abusing their power (which, granted, Sade did like doing himself) dressed up in the kind of language that professional philosophers of the time use to defend whatever political or ecclesiastical view that they, or their patrons, happen to like.

>>24565386
Eh, I guess that might be true, but unfortunately there are some of us with a quote unquote "good nature", meaning that we're sadistic the same as your average Joe, but get repulsed by gratituous cruelty against those who don't deserve it.

>>24565416
Every one of those texts is good and all, but I guess Justine might be his most direct moral statement in literary form.

>>24565385
>he may be right
no, you are geneticaly wired for morality (group cooperation). if you have a tendency towards a "vice is natural" outlook, you would be weeded out by evolution

based coil enthusiast

>>24565273 (OP)
>it's making me feel sick
How? I just found it incredibly boring and repetitive in the extreme. Read Hogg to "feel" something you fucking pussyassed FAGGOT.

>>24566177
because im smarter than you

This book is just a giant aristocrats joke

You can skip the actual "novel" part, it's garbage for shit eaters (heh)
What really sets the imagination on fire is the list of delights, some great stuff in there
The "philosophy" is literally just noble cope about how epic and cool it is to be a hedonist

>>24565381
>and I'm sexually sadistic
I got into a BDSM phase a while back (porn-wise) and I have to confess I was driven by an intellectual need to understand what was happening. Too much whipping, not enough sex to my taste! "SM masters are flaccid during the whole session, wtf?" I asked myself, holding my own flaccidity.

Admit it, you guys are like slaves. The values are reversed, but the cuck structure remains. This is blatantly rendered obvious by your simp reflex of outlining this is all done "consensually".

My vision of bondage is practical. Invade, locate, abduct. Tie the woman of your choice solidly, and put her on your shoulder. When she cries, mock her by imitating her. Make her hungry to make her receptive. Then feed her with a spoon. Most importantly, state clearly everything that will happen to her: this is the submission contract she never consented to. The deal is simple: "I will protect you and you will end up loving me". Say it out loud, it's part of the spell.

Pasolini did it better

>>24565416
Juliette

>>24565385
It's probably a good way for less physical types to realize their depravity.

>>24567237
LMAO you just invented a new genre: BDSM COMEDY.
Write some more.

Not bothering to read this book. I watched some parts of the movie and it was disgusting so I can only assume the book is worse.

It was pretty funny when the one leader started fucking the boss in the ass for some reason though. The gay shit the leaders did with each other was hilarious

>>24565298
>Does the book offer at least some philosophical depth?
No read philosophy in the bedroom for that, or justine if you want a narrative to go along with it
This is literally jerk off material that was not supposed to ever get out from a jail.

>>24567395
Of course it's a fantasy I don't think it's that far fetched though and probably happened many times over in your own bloodline.

But I did tell a friend exactly what I said in my post and the way she looked back at me changed me forever.

>>24567237
Nigga Idk what the fuck you're talking about, but I just like to tap into primitive lust and the pain of my partners turns me on, simple as. That BDSM type shit with the latex and candles was never my swag, that shit doesn't turn me on at all; what turns me on is lust (and bloodlust).

>>24567402
It is the funniest book I've ever read. I've never laughed so much while reading.

>>24565273 (OP)
>look up to see if this guy was jewish
>no, but a radical leftist instead
Pot.

>>24565298
>cutting of the limbs of a little boy while sodomizing him
Alright I gotta read it

>>24565298
Okay, okay, I'll read it. You don't have to convince me.

>>24565273 (OP)
Congratulations. you have a conscience

>>24567237
Bruh

I find it hard to believe anyone browsing this website for more than a year can be shocked by reading anything.
T.oldfag

>>24565298
Juliette is Mr. De Sade’s philosophical work. Lots of filler, but there’s much libertine philosophy thrown in. Honestly, i cannot see it as anything but a satirical play on enlightenment/rationalist values/beliefs.

I actually managed to find a copy of this at a thrift store a few days ago. I don't plan on reading it but I see it so incredibly seldom that I snatched it up just for its cult status factor.

>>24565298
>>24571726
No. If any of Sade's works can be called "philosophical", it's Philosophy in the Boudoir. The rest all follow the same formula: absurdly unlikely and grotesque things keep happening to "good" people, while "bad" people (aristocrats or clergymen) get away with everything. Everyone in a position of power is corrupt and a rapist. It's all very black-and-white, comically so.

And I say this as a pessimist myself: even I find his worldview stupid and shallow. Philosophy in the Boudoir at least tries a different concept: dialogue as a vehicle for libertine philosophy, but it still boils down to people fucking (and pissing, shitting, sewing assholes shut, etc.) while delivering pompous monologues about how their sadism is not only logical, but the most moral path, in fact. These arguments are delivered in typical 18th century fashion: overly confident, barley reasoned, and shallow. It's always just "this is true because it is", or some equally flimsy assertion.

There's no depth and it's not interesting. The initial effect might be shock or even humor (you laugh at how over-the-top and ridiculous it all is), but that quickly turns into boredom. There's absolutely zero literary value: his style isn't compelling or novel, and his form is sloppy. You read Sade out of morbid curiosity and nothing else. You gain nothing from it. Well, I suppose a serial killer or rapist might find some value in it.

>>24565273 (OP)
He's actually super deep if you give him a chance

I read it cover to cover over the course of a couple years, one of my best and most transformative reading experiences. But it would go over most people’s heads, as you can see itt. Few people can really read, they just react to the images of the words on the page. That’s not enough for reading Sade.

>>24571263
Brutality in tenderness vs tenderness in brutality.

Sadomasochism is a perversion, and like all perversions it trades structural straightness for some patch of obscurity where it can grow into existence.

>>24565298
Sounds like an interestkng read. I expected it to be very tame and only infamous beacuse the people of old were pansies.

>>24573984
It’s by far the most extreme book ever written or that ever could be written. He’s very thorough.
You very probably won’t be able to make it through.