I've been thinking about the phenomenon rationalization.

It's said to be a negative thing. But maybe it can sometimes be good. It's connected to ego, and ego is usually said to be a bad thing, but maybe ego too can be good.

I can see how in a discussion ego and rationalization are mostly negative.

But say for example that a person is experiencing depression, anxiety etc, what you'd call "mental disorder". The usual way that society would see things is that the good and natural thing to do is to kind of "repent", just "accept responsibility", just take the L, accept as true whatever labels are put on you, whatever accusations are leveled at you etc. It is seen as immature, childish, nigger behavior etc to go "I dindu nuffin", "he started" etc.

But this is in a way to accept without question what you are told is the truth, accept it uncritically.

Even if you did actually do something, or you are actually "mentally disordered" etc, what does it actually accomplish to just accept it? Aren't we connected to the past, to the environment, to our genes, to our upbringing, culture, society etc etc, a product of things outside of ourselves? Your knowledge of things is very limited. To just accept blame is to take things at face value. What ego and rationalization does is it drives a seeking for answers. Why am I actually the way I am? Why did I actually do what I did? What's the actual cause? etc

Similar to science the "rationalizations" rather than being explanations are working hypotheses.

Without sin no suffering, without suffering no seeking what's beyond the surface.

https://youtu.be/ZEglHjd_gUQ

>>24566926 (OP)
read R.D. Laing

>>24566940
Well, I wrote about mental disorder, and I posted a youtube clip about schizophrenia, but these were meant as mere illustrating examples of a much broader concept.

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>>24566926 (OP)
Brother, this thread is shit.

>>24567234
Not an argument.

Apparently some psychoanalysts think rationalization is a good thing.

>Later psychoanalysts are divided between a positive view of rationalization as a stepping stone on the way to maturity,[19] and a more destructive view of it as splitting feeling from thought, and so undermining the powers of reason.[20]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_(psychology)#Psychoanalysis

>What ego and rationalization does is it drives a seeking for answers. Why am I actually the way I am? Why did I actually do what I did? What's the actual cause? etc

no, the ego protects you from your feelings being hurt, it actually impedes you on the journey to find the answer by giving you endless copes and deflections to avoid exhuming emotional pain
ego is a fake reality

Neo's feeling that there was something wrong with the world would have been much lesser or nonexistent without rationalization. Rationalization is what pushes you to the redpill or at least a big part of it.

>>24567254
Nope. Small ego goes to psych and thinks this guy is right about me and takes the pill, big ego thinks up conspiracy theories, this guy is deceiving me, the pill is to control me etc and searches for alternatives.

>>24567263
that assumes taking the pill is inherently incorrect for one, or that psychs wouldn't totally be on board with someone denying a pill and opting for a different treatment plan

and yes the ego does prevent you from ever truly addressing the issue which is exactly what this attitude leads to
>big ego thinks up conspiracy theories, this guy is deceiving me
which leads a person down to an endless rabbithole of band-aid fixes while the underlying issue still remains and poisons every future action they do

>>24567279
You iterally didn't understand a fucking thing. Ego and rationalization makes you cynical and suspicious which causes you to not accept things at face value.

>>24567328
Cope, you're going to accept something eventually so yet again this is just another selective justification
And because the ego is involved it will only accept a solution that is palatable to it because the truth hurts

>>24567384
>you're going to accept something eventually so it's better to accept the first thing you see
Total NPC retard

>>24567410
Thats not what I'm saying at all, and you're actually saying the inverse of everything you accuse me of saying which is equally retarded
>its not possible for this first solution to be the correct one
Even if its straight from a discipline filled with experts studying this topic for centuries

>>24567413
>>its not possible for this first solution to be the correct one
Didn't fucking say that retard

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>>24566926 (OP)
Rationality is a false god. There is no realm of rational thought disconnected from context, emotions, and impulses. All rationality is just rationalization based off of context.

>>24567983
Retarded post which has nothing to do with the topic.

>>24566926 (OP)
You are deranged.
What you truly worship is power.
But you are too cowardly to admit it.
And so you enter an endless loop of mental masturbation of rationalizing rationalization.
TL;DR you are a cuck.

>>24567998
Ad hominem. Learn basic logic.