Which English translation of The Illiad should I read?

>>24568761 (OP)
the one by this nigga

>>24568761 (OP)
Its obviously Fagles for your first read. Don't try to be like this retards

when reading a translated epic, see if the translator as written any poetry of their own that you like. ignore prose translations. they may be accurate, but who cares? you're reading a POEM. poems are cool because they are not prose, simple as.

Any thoughts on Verity? I like Oxford World’s Classics and they seem to have good translations generally but everyone says to go with Fagles for Homer.

>>24568761 (OP)
Emily wilson

LOL I literally just came to /lit/ to make this thread. Good shit
I'm looking mostly for accuracy and a decent amount of explanatory notes, so far the Emily Wilson one looks the most promising imo

https://www.iliadtranslations.com/

>>24569070
Anthony verity would be my second choice besides what I typed above

>>24569079
holy crap woke iliad signed by homer

>>24568761 (OP)
Ian Johnston

>>24569169
I just compared this to Fagles and Lattimore on this website >>24569079
And Johnston is better than all of them because it is clearer, while not lacking anything that the others have.
Even Wilson would be better than them if it wasn't for the My Little Pony names.

>>24568761 (OP)
Lattimore

>>24568761 (OP)
Iliad (Pope or Emily Wilson--the latter a feminist masterpiece)
Odyssey (Chapman)

Heres a list of all the major english translations of homer going back to the 1500s, it gives the same few lines in each different translation so you can see which one is your favorite
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_translations_of_Homer

>>24568761 (OP)
Again? Is this a troll?

>>24568761 (OP)
This one

>>24569758
that's left-wing propaganda

>>24568761 (OP)
Pope's is the most well-written, but for a first read I'd suggest Fagles. If you end up loving the work, which I hope you do, then on your eventual reread is for when I'd recommend Pope's.

>>24569760
>LefT wInG pRoPaGaNdA
Are Plato, Alexander the Great, Pindar, Apollonius Rhodius etc left wing propagandists?

>>24569770
ye

>>24568952
Alexander Pope's translation is the true Englishman's version of the Iliad.

>>24569850
It's not the easiest read though, which is why I'd only recommend it on rereads and for serious fans of poetry, as opposed to someone who is solely looking for the best way to read and enjoy Homer.

>>24569770
>Dude these Greek heroes are GAY. How heckin beautiful amirite?
Yup, it's left wing propaganda

Daily reminder.

>>24571092
Isn't that his Odyssey?

>>24569758
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>>24569961

>>24572072
>Neoplatonist Philo
Isn't he a middle platonist though

>>24568761 (OP)
This thread is made at least once a day, can't you just look at the archives?

>>24572072
How does any of that refute the claim that Song of Achilles is left wing propaganda?

>>24572461
They're both fictional characters, who gives a shit

>>24572461
Do you think all the ancient authors who thought Achilles and Patroclus were gay were also left-wing propagandists?

>>24574039
Yes, they were projecting the habits of their time backwards by 800 years. We go through this constantly.

>>24574048
On what basis do you assert this?

>>24574057
Homer

>>24574065
Elaborate. Can you point to any specific lines of Homer that suggest that a romantic reading of their relationship is NOT plausible?

>>24574068
>can you stop me from being a dishonest retard
Lines 1 through the end but you haven‘t read it and won‘t

>>24574072
>It definitely doesn't, but I'm not going to make any specific argument from the text about why

>>24569770
Plato included a ban on homosexuality in his Laws. He also accuses the Cretans of distorting myth to justify their pederasty
>>24574057
mind that there is no mention of pederasty in the IIlad or the Odyssey. The whole homosexual thing was an Archaic Greek invention, and it was in this culture that they viewed the works of Homer. Thus they held them to be alike in their debaucheries. The fact is that Achilles and Patroclus were dear friends from a very young age.
Besides, if he was homo why would he want to keep women for himself?

>>24574118
>The whole homosexual thing was an Archaic Greek invention
The entire concept of homosexuality?
>Besides, if he was homo why would he want to keep women for himself?
Have you ever heard of bisexuailty?

>>24569770
Why do you campaign so hard to try to twist Achilles into being a homosexual? The whole cause of Achilles’ conflict in the story was him having his bitch taken. Him and Patroclus were both fucking hoes in their tents throughout the entire story. You revisionist faggots are insufferable.

>>24574167
Again, do you not know what bisexuality is?

>go to library
>ask librarian for best translation of the Iliad
>hear snickering from the tables behind me
>librarian pulls out a copy of Homeric Greek: A Book for Beginners

>>24574242
I saw this copied pasted in my discord channel 1 month ago. you late af.

>>24574242
I did not know such a helpful book existed on the subject. Thank you for this post anon.

>>24574197
something with too high a sex drive?

>>24574197
I jack off to anime horses

>>24574493
You would love the Wilson translation

>>24574496
I do she is so inclusive and her language is so easy for my soi brain to follow. It reads like a girl boss tweet nah mean nigga.

>>24574502
Wilson is too complicated for the niggas fuck off bitchboi

>>24574508
fr fr when she dropped the whips I was soing so hard

I've not read the rest but the first lines from this Wilson hoe are almost parodically awful.

"Tell me about a complicated man.
Muse, tell me how he wandered and was lost
when he had wrecked the holy town of Troy, "

Why on earth has the sense of poetic language totally disappeared from modern writers.

>>24574485
There are bisexuals with low sex drive and heterosexuals and homosexuals with high sex drive.

>>24568770
Second Pope. It's just enjoyable, he paints up such a vivid landscape of the mind that's more precise than prose could ever be. Either read it in the original, or read Pope. It was meant to be a poem.