Was the replacement of the romance with the novel in literary society a mistake for literature as a whole, /lit/?

>>24569359 (OP)
>Replacement
As if the books below aren't older than the books above. Half of those women don't even have pictures in black and white, anon. The first novel ever written was literally a romance written by a woman. There's no replacement. If anything, the male rise in books was an outlier.

Why do femcels write better romance books than women who have been in relationships?

>>24569359 (OP)
>every single one of the foid books blows the moid books out of the water except little women
lol

You really don't want women to start writing books about guns and swordfights and dragonriding. Don't wish for that - because you already got it, and it sucks.

>>24569450
>As if the books below aren't older than the books above
This illiterate retard thinks Pride and Prejudice is older than Robinson Crusoe
AHAHAHAH
>>24569500
>romance
Romance refers to a tale of adventure, not love
>>24569504
Cope

>>24569359 (OP)
I'd happily give that top row to a young boy to read, but the bottom row is far better literature.

>>24569359 (OP)
>books written by men: pulp trash
>books written by women: literary fiction
If you're an adult and you read stuff like Treasure Island and King Solomon's Mines (You could throw in Lovecraft and How These Novels are the equivalent of booktok slopard) You have no right to bitch about women read.

>>24569359 (OP)
the cherrypicking bait isn't even funny.

>>24569801
Troon detected

>>24569802
The cherrypicking is in the favour of women, and it's not even close. OP constantly posts this as a falseflag because he's a seething "foid" (wnbaw).

The top row has maybe one novel that's /lit/ top 100 tier. The bottom row is some of the best novels ever written by women.

>>24569877
>>24569801
Retards detected
Friendly reminder before Victorians and their retarded push for realism and the novel, the romance was seen as the apex of literature
Hence why walter scott was seen as the apex of literature

>>24569922
>walter scott
what a boring author

>>24569359 (OP)
Test

>>24569450
>The first novel ever written was literally a romance written by a woman.
Pretty sure Apuleius was a man.

>>24569359 (OP)
Again with this bait? The female books below are more sophisticated than the adventure bullshit above. Couldn't you at least include actual literature like Moby-Dick this time or something? ffs

>>24569359 (OP)
Can you elaborate a little more on it Quixoteanon? I keep seeing people here on /lit/ go about how the death of overly dramatic manly man knight tales is gay or whatever but I haven't seen anyone argue why or how. Why would the top row be better than the bottom row

>>24571906
No they aren't
Robinson Crusoe is one of the greatst books ever written and far better than the womanly shit below
>>24570450
Zoomer retard

>>24569922
Source? I'm interested in learning about this. I'm of the opinion that mythic stories are far more worthwhile than "realist" ones

>>24572616
just search up the transition from romanticism to realism
A bunch of low t retards decided that the stories men had read for thousands of years were suddenly less worthwhile and that all literature should be mundane and prosaic

>>24573680
Ironically the most celebrated "realist" novelists seem to have been elevated precisely because of their romantic tendencies. It's hard to deny the romanticism in Flaubert, Dickens, Tolstoy, and Dostoevsky.

>>24574019
And Flaubert wrote salammbo which is one of the most romantic, blood-stirring works ever written

>>24572507
>Robinson Crusoe is one of the greatst books ever written and far better than the womanly shit below
But King Solomon's Mines is simply not better than Middlemarch.

>>24574086
The audiences of the 19th century certainly thought differently.
As did Graham Greene

>>24574112
Who cares. They're wrong and so are you.

>>24569359 (OP)
>bottom mogs top

>>24569359 (OP)
>pulpy children's books vs actual adult literature
yea, you really show these women

>>24574117
Not an argument
>>24574137
Joyce himself stated robinson crusoe was the greatest anglo book ever written
Illiterate swine.
>>24574133
zoomer

Bottom is why literature is being phased out btw. No one cares to spend their few free hours per day chugging through a dry tome. The books that do actually sell now are still epic and magical in nature. Sure most of it's slop, but there was once a time when the stories were simultaneously entertaining and penetrating.

>>24574153
Zoomers are too intellectually and socially stunted to appreciate the bottom row

>>24569359 (OP)
>The Castle of Otranto

Really weird inclusion. It's only read because it was the first Gothic novel and the Penguin edition concedes in the preface that Walpole's writing is laughably inferior compared to the works of Ann Radcliffe (a woman), among others.

>>24574154
The bottom row are all pretty popular. People clearly do enjoy reading them.
Personally I found P&P and WH more enjoyable than Robinson Crusoe which, after the first few chapters, becomes dull busywork on an uninhabited island.

>>24574153
>Not an argument
Says the faggot using an appeal to popularity.

>>24574154
The bottom books sell like pancakes. No one gives a shit about "King Solomon's Mines".

>>24569359 (OP)
>replacement of the romance with the novel in literary society
Da fuk did I read? Fix your grammar/clarify/learn English, OP

>>24574153
>Joyce himself stated robinson crusoe was the greatest anglo book ever written
No, he didn't. Prove it.

>>24574178
Jane austen's work is incredibly popular among zoomers
>>24574191
>weird inclusion
Walpole wrote it because he was tired of womanly novels
And why are you reading introductions?
>>24574221
Illiterate zoom zoom
>>24574247
>The true symbol of the British conquest is Robinson Crusoe, cast away on a desert island, in his pocket a knife and a pipe, becomes an architect, a knife-grinder, an astronomer, a baker, a shipwright, a potter, a saddler, a farmer, a tailor, an umbrella-maker, and a clergyman. He is the true prototype of the British colonist, as Friday (the trusty savage who arrives on an unlucky day) is the symbol of the subject races. The whole Anglo-Saxon spirit is in Crusoe.

>>24574256
He literally never called it "the greatest anglo book ever written". Keep lying, fag.

>>24574256
>Jane austen's work is incredibly popular among zoomers
Jane Austen's work is popular with any age bracket. She's a classic. Even Nabokov had the humility to admit she had written some good books and he was wrong about her.

>>24574223
Treasure Island and probably Robinson Crusoe have sold more than all those books, and that's even without being propped up by critical consensus and political "reevaluation." Fact is realism is boring as shit and everyone has always known it

>unironically claimin ITT that bottom tow is better than top
This board is CRAWLING with troons and literal actual femoids

>>24574396
Wait, are you one of those retards who think those books by women are only popular now because of feminism, marxism or some nonsense? Because that's a false narrative. They have always been popular. Treasure Island is indeed massive but /lit/ fags attacked Hitler because he liked it or something.

>>24574402
If you had included Moby-Dick, Heart of Darkness, or actually great adult books, you wouldn't have this problem. Instead you went for children's or YA books. The image reads like bait due to how unserious it is.

>>24574402
You don't read.

>>24574405
The bottom books are only accepted in academia because jews and womanly types have infiltrated it and made it so the romance is ignored and the novel is promoted.
>>24574263
She is a hack who wrote mundane novels for women
Please tell me how Pride and Prejudice is better or deeper than Robinson Crusoe or Ivanhoe
>>24574408
Only one of those, treasure island, is a children's book
Ivanhoe was widely thread throughout all of europe and scott was seen as the 19th century's greatest author. Nothing childish or YA about it. Robinson Crusoe is one of the most important books in the history of english literature
The fact that you deem the top row of books as for children or young adults shows your ignorance

>>24574425
>The bottom books are only accepted in academia because jews and womanly types have infiltrated it and made it so the romance is ignored and the novel is promoted.
All those books are studied by academia. Not sure what you're saying here. You think there aren't academic publications on Jack London's or Daniel Defoe's books?

>>24574425
Adventure fiction is a YA genre. The youth of the past read and liked those books.

>>24574433
The adults of the past read and liked those books.
Jane Austen, the author you are trying to justify so much, famously enjoyed Walter Scott's books.
>>24574431
That academic types pushed realism as the be all end all because they had a hated for romanticism.

>>24574435
>That academic types pushed realism as the be all end all because they had a hated for romanticism.
You don't think Wuthering Heights was influenced by Romanticism? I feel like you just say random nonsense to see what sticks. You haven't actually read those books. Confirmed bait.

>>24574408
>>24574411
>-ACK!

>if you have good taste instead of worshipping genre fiction, you're le tranny!

>>24574443
>>if you have goo-ACK!

>>24574440
>You don't think Wuthering Heights was influenced by Romanticism?
The OP picture is mostly bait to generate discussion
I really despise sentimental trash like Austen, i don't hate wuthering heights that much
>you haven't actually read those books
Confirmed for being illiterate by deeming Walter scott a children's author yet celebrating austen, a devoted fan of walter scott
You can't tell me why Scott's works are less valuable than austen's. Scott's works are deeper than austen's and are about more than just women pining about who they want to marry.

>>24574441
>>24574445
>trannoids when they read a book by a real wimmin

roasties and troons are so fucking mad rn

>>24574446
>The OP picture is mostly bait
Thanks for finally admitting it. The discussion is meaningless, then.

>Orlando
>realism

>>24574452
>ragequitting
Consensuschuds down bad

>>24569359 (OP)
>13 year old boy core

>>24574153
World’s biggest Robinson Crusoe fan.
Do NOT talk SHIT about Robinson Crusoe EVER AGAIN around him buddy

>>24569359 (OP)
>Middlemarch
>A woman

>>24575211
Not even, 13 year old boy core is a Expedition 33 game guide

>>24575229
>13 year old boy core circa 1957