Thread 24570130 - /lit/ [Archived: 46 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:10:13 PM No.24570130
Casanova world republic of letters
Casanova world republic of letters
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Already shilled this here, but you guys really need to read this. I am almost finished but they way it goes into the mechanisms of literary recognition would help so many of you first year uni students to actually learn how books are born and how classics are made - plus providing in-depth explanations with why you cannot publish your stuff today, which is due to capitalism way more than to women and blacks.
The book includes:
>a history of how the ideas of the most fundamental European national literary traditions develop, citing names, letters, problematizations by authors of various nationalities etc.
>the history of how literature naturally becomes inbred with nation-building by helping establishing "correct" language (the Italian case, the german case, etc.)
>how France comes to establish a literary primacy (something other nations try to catch up with)
>how the historical inheritance of this established literary primacy makes France and specifically Paris a center of "consacration" which establishes its own standard for what constitutes "literature" and validates it in other countries
>how these standards are presented as universal, independent and free when they are very much dependent from historically developed western ideas which were used to gain power in colonial times
>how the perpetuation of this ideas in the literary field factually continued a form of cultural colonialism masked as freedom
>how the anglo-american tradition, after contributing to create some of these standards, began an apparent power struggle with France to make London and New York the new centers of literary legitimations
>how all of this horribly backfires once mass market mentality enters the editing world and suddenly publishing houses decide they should make 15% profit from selling books instead of the solid 4% they gained up to the 1920s
>how the capitalist focus on short term profit applied to publishing houses is single-handedly destroying literature by increasing (more than any time in history) the amounts of books published, while at the same time significantly shortening the amount of time they kept on bookshelves and sold - because this apparently makes the more money
>how this kind of market is now getting to shape the anglo-american and thus global perception of non-american countries by selling in mass anglo-american-compatible versions of foreign narratives, i.e. books from foreigners that already fit the existing anglo-american mass market for books
>how this is creating an increasingly inbred environment of inbred narratives and pretending it is "world literature", when it is in fact its literally opposite
Of course, the book explains it better than I did - but it's giving me so much insight into concepts and ideas that were only half-baked in my head up to now.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:59:39 AM No.24571212
bump 4 interesse
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:15:19 AM No.24571255
>>24570130 (OP)
I haven't read this book but I'm familiar with the notion Paris is the literary capital of the world. So is this advocating for a pilgrimage to Paris?
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:45:44 PM No.24572372
>>24571255
No, but it's explaining why and how Paris became the literary capital of the world - meaning: which ideological, philosophical but also material and economical factors played into that "idea" of Paris, and then how authors from all over the world (Joyce being a chief example) went there to get literary recognition.
Then she explains also how Paris is losing importance, what are the new centers for literary recognition (mostly in the anglophone world) and how the criteria for recognitions have changed as a consequence of publishing houses fusing with other media outlets, adopting a mass market mentality, and so on.
It's a fundamental book if you want to understand what's going on right now and instead of sitting in your nook complaining that things are not as good as they were and art is dead.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:48:20 PM No.24572915
>>24572372
I have no desire to go to Paris and lack a nook, but the desire to end the complaining is admirable anon.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:58:07 PM No.24572929
>>24570130 (OP)
>google Pascale Casanova
>its a femoid
Shan't be reading
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:33:55 PM No.24573188
>>24570130 (OP)
That’s a lot of words to say jews be jewing
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:34:21 PM No.24573697
>>24570130 (OP)
You know what? You don't sound retarded and I think you're less of a faggot than most people here. I'll read this book. Thank you for the recommendation. Just got my pdf from libgen
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:42:27 PM No.24573715
>>24570130 (OP)
Those criticisms apply to his book too so I guess it must be shit. Certainly sounds like some pophistory/pop cultural criticism, exactly the sort of thing that gets published nowadays.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:46:20 PM No.24573728
>>24570130 (OP)
>book about books written by a woman
>nothing about the content of literature, only about externalities like money, where things are located, money, race, money, culture, money
What a surprise.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:52:04 PM No.24573754
>>24570130 (OP)
Good thread OP. Of course it's capitalism, and I think we're all feeling that sense of culture's incestuous self-cannibalism. Too many letters clouds the reality they were supposed to represent.
And the answer is always to stop complaining, get up and tangle with the beasts.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 11:44:29 PM No.24574046
>>24573728
It's a 500 pages book and there is plenty of discussion about the content of literature, but it also helps you understand how this content (which may in itself be valid) it's actually not validated in a void.
Do you want to have a nuanced discussion about literature? Then the context in which it is made, which is material, economical and social as well as philosophical and spiritual, also needs to be discussed. Otherwise you can happily ignore this and have discussions on the level of this post >>24572929.
Many of the points that are made here daily, ironically and unironically, about the sad state of contemporary literature and the contemporary literary world could benefit from reading an actual book on the topic, rather than parroting the same clickbait articles on "men don't read" "only women publish" "only minorities win prizes" - which are written precisely so that you get angry at some imaginary enemy and get even more people angry by sharing trash.
Are you dissatisfied with the current state of literature? Reading a book about how it came to be can be a good starting point to eventually change it, or at least not get deceived by idiotic bullshit you read online.
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 12:15:24 AM No.24574129
>>24570130 (OP)
>*communistic crying*

riveting