I'm reading Anti-Dühring at the moment, and I have to say: this Dühring fella seems reasonable. Will we ever get a return of non-marxian non-fascist socialism?

In practice that's really what the entire 20th century was in socialism: recovering from Marx and Engels' fatalist autism. Sorel immediately diagnosed the problem, not vaguely but precisely with a good understanding of how and why Marx was wrong, and reasserted voluntarism on logically consequent grounds. Bernstein was also perfectly logically consequent in his ethical grounding of socialism but the "orthodox" Marxist's reply, that only fatalistic scientific socialism provides the necessary alchemical transformation of the bourgeois "ought" into the Marxist "is," technically can't be disproved by Bernstein from within his own system. Sorel of course accounts for this by saying "As long as the proletariat BELIEVES it's an 'is', we're golden." Rosa Luxemburg is basically just the screaming crying wojak jpg resisting the revisionists and gets killed.

Lucaks is Sorelian insane like a fox, but an insane fox that doesn't know he's insane and is twice as effective because of it, but also too insane to know how effective he is, which is why he both succeeds at turning Marxism-Leninism into a Sorelian battering ram by maximizing its potential, and fails at doing anything with the battering ram because it turns out Marxism-Leninism is retarded for the same reasons Marx was kinda retarded (the fatalism), which is ironic because Lenin is a Blanquist voluntarist and radically anti-fatalist, but then when he achieves all his aims with the infinite power of Blanquist augmentation he reveals that his manic confidence was built on absolute certainy in Marx's anti-Blanquist fatalism and lapses back into fatalism and Russia implodes into another 18th Brumaire. Adorno et al. are just Gramscians too scared to admit they're Gramscians so they do nothing and vibrate as de facto bourgeois, while Gramsci fully admits he's a Gramscian (Sorelian fascist) and is much more influential as a result.. mostly on fascists.

>>24571917
Nothing after 1945 is worth paying attention to, at least in the realm of praxis, unless you're studying it as "what not to do" (see: Marcuse, Habermas) or a national socialist reading third worldism like Ba'athism as valid praxis (which is correct but too esoteric for most retards to handle). As a rule of thumb, if a Marxist on the internet think it's good (like some gay low IQ agrarian Mexican movement that thinly calls itself socialist or some poopoo commune whose first constitutional act was to kill itself) then it's bad.

Not only is post-Marxist anti-fatalist Marxian socialism the most interesting Marxism, pre-Marxist socialism (Proudhon, Blanqui, Blanc, many others, including many utopian socialists) are also very interesting and have much more of "Marxism" in them than brainwashed internet Marxists (non-readers) think. And even more interesting is the fact that Marx is full of ambivalence about fatalism vs. voluntarism and you can easily read him against the grain as a voluntarist and even as a Sorelian "as if" fatalist who just wanted the working class to believe hard enough to think communism was a fait accompli, and thus commit to the bit hard enough to push things past a point of no return. He was so traumatized by '48-'49 that he had a "never again" attitude: better to gas all lumpen than let them "elect" a Louis Napoleon or accept a Stalin, and better to kick the proletariat into maximum overdrive, even it leads to a Grande Peur, September Massacre, or Terror, than miss another opportunity to throw the bourgeoisie off-kilter. Marx had a lot of the Blanquist in him, he was just by turns ashamed of its vulgarity and "untheoreticalness" and too autistic to give up the opportunity to be the Seal of the Political Economists (pbuh) and the True Final Hegel.

>>24571891 (OP)
Dühring is kinda retarded (though he's still a genius compared to modern people) but all his positions and desires in their rough outline are pretty solid and reflect a society before the ultimate dumbing down and the totalitarian propaganda of modern and post-modern civilization.

>>24571920
>Nothing after 1945 is worth paying attention to, at least in the realm of praxis
Autonomia
VWP
Hungarian Social Democratic Fusion 1956
Czechoslovakian Party-Worker Fusion 1968
EZLN

>>24571954
>Autonomia
redpill me on it

>>24571891 (OP)
A friend of mine is supposed to translate Duhrings works soon

>>24571891 (OP)
When you start a Duhring commune.

>>24572033
Is Duhring gonna be the next thing on here endlessly shilled by some autistic moron

>>24572095
Soon.

>>24571891 (OP)
>Throughout his life, Dühring was a vehement antisemite and was one of the first proponents of racial antisemitism in Germany. In 1881 Dühring's pamphlet Die Judenfrage als Racen-, Sitten- und Culturfrage (The Jewish Question as a Question of Race, Morals and Culture) was published. It was a pseudo-scientific attempt to give antisemitism as a political movement a biological, historical, and philosophical foundation. He described the "Jewish question" similarly to Wilhelm Marr, as an expression of an irresolvable racial antagonism, and openly advocated for the "murder and extermination" of Jews as a solution to the Jewish question.[9]

>He is chiefly remembered among English-speakers because of Engels' criticism of his views in Anti-Dühring: Herr Eugen Dühring's Revolution in Science. Engels wrote his Anti-Dühring in opposition to Dühring's ideas, which had found some disciples among the German Social Democrats. He is also the most prominent representative of the socialism of that era attacked by Nietzsche in his later works. Most of Dühring's work remains unavailable in English, aside from his work on the Jewish question.[10] Dühring's writing on the Jewish question influenced later antisemites and racist thinkers such as Theodor Fritsch, Houston Stewart Chamberlain and Georg von Schönerer. Through this legacy, Dühring's antisemitic views later found their way into the racial doctrines of Nazism.[11]

i will now read your works. when is he getting translated?

>>24571891 (OP)
how is it?

>>24574169
I will take this up someday if another anon here doesn‘t first

>>24574334
>Dühring's treatise on the Jews was the first major work to identify the Jewish Question not as a religious and cultural problem but, rather, as one based on the inherent and unchangeable character of the Jewish people. One important feature of Dühring's anti-Semitism is his clear distinction between the Jews and other Semites, and his consideration of the former as "the most vicious minting of the entire Semitic race." The Jewish religion, Dühring said, has no truly religious character but, instead, a markedly economic-political one which aims to dominate and exploit non-Jews. Indeed, the Jewish god Jehovah is nothing but an embodiment of the Jewish self-interest and represents the opposite of the Indo-European natural pantheon. Dühring was also firmly against the Marxist doctrine of class-warfare since he considered this to be a subversive strategy that furthered the opposition between the powerful warrior nobilities of the past and powerless social groups - to the advantage of the Jews. As a solution to the Jewish problem Dühring demanded the complete expulsion of Jews from western society.

>>24571917
always thought Orthodox Marxist-Leninism was kept as the dominant line of thought through institutional power and not because its "the correct line of socialist thought"

>>24572223
I dunno. I've never read the guy, don't really plan on it but I'll check it out regardless.

>>24574169
>>24574334
https://odysee.com/@WarStrike:a/Episode83:8

>>24574591
No one follows orthodox marxist-leninism, try bringing up Stalin in your uni and see where that gets you. Western Marxism is an unholy abomination that's the stuff actually being peddled by institutional power, not marxist-leninism in any way shape or form. Don't fall for the propaganda, there was no such thing as a ''long march through the institutions'' the west hasn't gotten a single inch more socialist in the last 50 years, the complete opposite actually

>>24574591
No one follows orthodox Marxist-Leninism, try bringing up Stalin at your uni and see where that gets you. Western Marxism is the unholy abomination that is actually being peddled by institutional power, not Marxist-Leninism in any way shape or form. Don't fall for the propaganda, there was no such thing as a ''long march through the institutions'' and the west hasn't gotten a single inch more socialist in the last 50 years, it's the complete opposite actually.

>>24575072
There was a march but obviously its been tempered by bourgeoisie sentimentality

>>24575072
Also im not strictly going by western standards, either.

>>24575072
Also because “”Marxism-Leninism”” is a zombie ideology originally institutionally peddled by a Soviet nouveau-bourgeoisie, now relegated to historical re-en-activists - labelling someone a revisionist is akin to labelling someone a girondist.

>>24571891 (OP)
>Dühring fella seems reasonable
How?

>>24572013
IT IS time for a SHOCK to the OFFICE BLOCK
Chessboard strikes in FIAT
MASS SUPERMARKET RIOT MASS THEFTS
NOBODY PROSECUTED
"Oh you killed a prime minister and were prosecuted?" We've killed middle managers and gone free

PO AO LC

>>24575072
Not one of the parties in the US follows what Lenin said about even the most legal parties needing illegal forms of organization (https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/jul/04.htm).

>>24571954
I'm somewhat disillusioned with all these, because all principles were lost to severe degrees and there was no significant drive to maintain adherence to Marxist principles like the Communists pushed for in China and Peru.
>>24575119
Revisionist "Marxism-Leninism" is quite popular in many third world countries, a very distorted and reformist portrayal of it. Some examples are the PCdoB in Brazil, CPI in India, CPN (UML) in Nepal, etc. All betray what Lenin said about the rarity of a peaceful transition from capitalism to socialism (https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/oct/09.htm).

>>24577074
4chan included the closing parentheses in the hyperlinks. Remove those to access the links.

>>24577074
The problem with class movements that don't win is that they decay into -in-itself movements. Be inspired by the movement forwards, not the destruction rout or retreat. In the Long March 90% of forces were lost. That 10% learnt from workers and peasants in Yennan. Then later that learning was lost.

>>24571920
Most of you never traveled at least in at least a post socialidt country.

>>24577819
My point was moreso regarding the ideological faults of their own revealing themselves through universal abandonment of principles; some things have a particular circumstance for existence and that's made evident through its abandonment. For example Hoxhaism's theoretical instability in the present day can be seen with how every Hoxhaist organization has diverged from Hoxhaism on notable points (see: the CIPOML's position on Cuba and Fidel Castro) whereas that universal abandonment hasn't been seen with Maoism.

Setbacks have been faced for Maoists, but there's never been a universal abandonment of principles. It's really only the Maoists that consistently maintain illegal forms of organization within the movement of self-proclaimed Marxists, minus a few exceptions like the PFLP.

>>24571891 (OP)
ts was so boring ong

>>24578931
Those countries unironically suck because they got raped afterwards, just look at Russia. Not that socialism isn't retarded but that argument has always been silly to me.

>>24579117
I'd suggest that most groups lack a sufficient local or international embedment to trust them with the responsibility of running a full time mobile street kitchen. My reason to be inspired by those movements is building in hostile circumstances from scratch while avoiding dilettantism or shibbolethic sect formation.