>site is extremely uncensored like 4chan
>userbase is still liberals and trannies

>>24572634 (OP)
For several decades now conservatives have embraced extreme and militant anti-intellectualism. As a result, it's mostly people who are left-leaning that still read or write for pleasure. This even applies to slop like fanfiction. Conservatives simply do not read for entertainment.

>>24572634 (OP)
Chuds are not actually creative, which is why they've rallied around AI to make the chuddy art they couldn't be bothered to be produced.

>>24572634 (OP)
I was impressed to find out that i enjoyed immensely more my time reading a couple of fan fictions than the miriad of novels i have come across. When the stuff is good, it has that personal touch along with the sincerity that the appreciation of something beyond itself has. Maybe i'll give it a try, sounds really fun.

I went searching for incest erotica.
it was quite disappointing, so I found an old mirror of asstr instead, but the search is borked so it's a bit tedious the writing is better

>>24572634 (OP)
Unconditional creativity has no bounds, and to partake in something like this, you do it for the sake of it in earnest. Doing something for love, for fun, is not something that has any place on this board, let alone across 4chan in general.

>>24572634 (OP)
Conservatives think that they're gonna catch a communism if they read books

>>24572657
What warped version of conservatism are you picturing in your mind?

>>24572653
>I went searching for incest erotica.
Speaking of, there are appallingly few stories about Harry banging his mom.

>>24572663
Look, I know you're a conservative that reads and therefore you feel offended by my post, I'm not saying EVERY conservative is a retard, but you can't deny that the right has had a long streak of anti intellectualism ever since the so called "paleoconservative" movement disappeared from the political scene.

Genuine question why do conservatives suck at art so much. Is it because they're more rooted in reality and incapable of being trapped in their head and feelings the same way? And it's that same disposition that make liberals go insane?

>>24572671
They think imagination is woke lol

>>24572674
I don't, by but and large liberal people I know are into artsy shit and fanciful things, or are at least heavy consumers of it, and conservatives just live their lives and fix their car or whatever free from self inflicted mental illness brainworms.

>>24572683
>and conservatives just live their lives and fix their car or whatever free from self inflicted mental illness brainworms.
The whole Q phenomenon and conspiracy theory culture gripping the right by the balls says otherwise.

>>24572669
That tends to happen when the university system gets infiltrated and taken over by lying degenerate shitlibs, jews and commies.
See the replication crisis.

>>24572671
Most of the degenerate modern "art" nowadays is liberal in nature though?

>>24572884
It's still art, which is more that can be said of the nearly non-existent modern conservative art scene.

>>24572634 (OP)
There are plenty of fanfiction on there where I can tell the writer is right wing.
But generally, fanfiction is left wing and female because those spaces are more accepting of what we will term "fan culture". In masculine spaces, the idea of expressing a deeper interest in manga, anime, games, etc. than flippant disinterest or raw analysis of components (the gameplay is good, the "story has stakes", whatever) is generally viewed as embarrassing. This ties into conservatism, which has optics entirely tied into projecting a strong man look (as they walk around in khaki shorts and golf shirts).

>>24572671
I graduated in econ so my view is through that lens, but for what it's worth I really do think it's economics. Think about what it feels like to write for a living.
The institution of capitalism basically doesn't care for you. It will take you and maybe reward you if you happen to succeed without its help, but also it will keep pressuring you to crank out uninspired marketable slop that can't push boundaries because it narrows the addressable market. If you try to peddle your services as a TV/video game/etc writer, the salary is shit, the pressure to be sellable is even higher, projects fail all the time and there is no meritocratic way to advance your career, because everything is very high-school and dependent on who you know.
These people are basically living capitalism on hard mode. It is no surprise that they are left-wing, which in the US translates to progressive.
This then has downstream effects on what the institutions that teach writing look like, what people that talk about writing are like, and the rest.
I bet it's very much the same with other art forms. With film it's even more pronounced because for historical reasons the industry is geographically centered on California.

I post my fanfiction on AO3, but it doesn't get very many hits. Probably because it's not porno.

>>24572644
>>24572647
Maybe chuds just don't like to write furry incest pissplay gangbang smut

>>24574638
My brother in arms.

>>24574657
I get some upvotes on the short stories I post on Reddit, but it never seems to lead to anything buffer. My novel sales are absolutely dead in the water. Seems my style of fiction is out of fashion. And as long as I live, I'll never understand the appeal of r/nosleep.

>>24574638
Based. I have two fics over there, both of them migrated from my old-ass FF.net account, and neither of them are porn.

Despite that, they're both decently popular.

Man I kind of wish we had a board for fanfiction on 4chan. It's one of those topics you can't really talk about satisfactorily on any single board. /lit/ would be the board for it, but, of course, it's specifically banned here.

>>24572634 (OP)
There's tons. I'm not sure AO3 is the preferred site for non fetish ff.

>>24572644
It's sad because I originally became sympathetic to right-wing politics because I cared about defending the arts, but more and more these days, I feel like I picked the wrong side.

>>24574706
Just become a reactionary, they can create good art. Gene Wolfe was one.

>>24574688
Within the next few days, I'll be up to an even dozen. In the 2 1/2 years since I started posting my fanfic there, my most-viewed work has all of 43 views. I'm very, very out of fashion.

>>24572668
Harry Potter?
There is plenty of fanfiction of him banging his mom
You could find literally any kind of fanfiction from HP and not be able to count the end of it

>>24572634 (OP)
Healthy and mature adults and responsible people are not interested in or waste time on things like writing fictional stories about cartoons and garish content.

>>24572634 (OP)
We are living in the fanfiction.

>>24574706
>I feel like I picked the wrong side.
you're not immutably bound to one political faction just because you sympathized with them for a while
that said the faction in power is always going to be full of philistines. nothing you can do about that.

>>24574706
I also went to the right 10 years ago because the left was extremely anti-intellectual and anti-art. they still kinda are, but the right is also anti-intellectual Trumptards.
the third position is the only solution.

>>24572634 (OP)
There are rightoids there, but they don't talk about it unless they're crashing out. You can tell, often enough, with the kind of people who don't openly voice opinions on hot political issues.

>>24572671
Conservatives in America are largely organized around economic interests. They are the people with boring middle-tier jobs that don't leave them with enough wealth or leisure time to cultivate artistic interests. The unstimulating nature of their work is psychically exhausting to the handful of them who have latent artistic sensibilities and it leaves them demotivated husks. If we were ancient Greeks, our conservatives would be the modestly successful freeholding peasants who form the rank and file of the hoplite armies. Essential to the health of society, possibly the single most important and indispensable social class in fact, but they are boring and boorish and produce no culture and everyone else hates them for one reason or another and their occasional populist victories in the political arena always end in disaster.

>>24574932
Marxists infamously hate them too, which is hilarious. Orwell talks about that.

>>24572669
>but you can't deny that the right has had a long streak of anti intellectualism ever since the so called "paleoconservative" movement disappeared from the political scene.
Only in Tardmerica.

>>24572634 (OP)
I do, I just feel too embarrassed to share my shitty works.

I like being comfy in my own little corner.

>>24574706
Weird, in my experience, it's usually the right that is still defending classical art and literature. Meanwhile the left has started a crusade against the western canon. Leftists simply refuse to read any literature anymore that isn't slop that was written by millennial women of color.

The right has Anna Karenina, the left has When Side N*gga Catch Feeling.

>>24572657
It's true that regrettably a lot of conservatives don't read at all, but the ones that do read, are reading the likes of Dante, Homer, Milton, Shakespeare, Tolstoy etc.
More lefties read books, but all they read is YA romance and fantasy schlock.

Quality > Quantity.

>>24575156
I think the so called right is extremely bifurcated.
you have neocons and other soulless zionists on one side and normal people the other.

Of course my perception of the right wing is mostly fixated upon the embracing of the natural and beautiful.

I do some writing but it’s not fanfic and I’m not sure I’d get an audience mainly because I don’t want to risk attracting haters and so I don’t promote myself anywhere
If I were a lib I’d have a slightly different upside/downside ratio
>>24574706
You’re just not seeing the right-wingers who defend the arts (there’s probably dozens of them, plural, but I don’t know that many)
Check out Jonathan Keeperman of Passage Press (<https://x.com/L0m3z>) and/or Fen de Villiers (< https://www.fendevilliers.com/>)

>>24572644
If conservatives read books they wouldn't have been played by the orange man

It's a well known fact that protofascists, cryptofascist and open fascists create art of the highest quality. I don't know about contemporary art because I don't "consume it" but highest quality art always came from the right and that's a fact you can't deny.

>>24575335
>Proto smut
>Art of the highest quality

>>24575390
>smut
Ok he's smut, let me post another author that you can't call smut

>>24575175
Most right leaning conservatives I know who read just read self help sloppa and grifter books like the stuff Peterson writes. It's horrible to come across a book store and most options you see are YA neoleft drivel or self help garbage.
Hell most people I know who read classical literature are leftists but more the just generally leaning left kind rather than the wild "woke" activist kind.
Life sucks for a left leaning conservative

>>24575441
>Life sucks for a left leaning conservative
It would break the minds of certain people to see these ideas together

>>24575441
>conservatives
They were always the worst people on the right. More extreme right wingers were always more intellectual or they would take anti intellectual positions but those positions would ironically come from their intellectualism

>>24574864
who's writing

>>24572964
Interesting take and it checks out. As a STEM-Chad making ez 6 figs WFH, I can see why my artist friends hate their lives. One works for $20/hr as a graphics designer at a local credit union and he complains that he’s poor and he can’t actually pursue his passion at work (I guess there’s corporate design language he must follow) , it’s just soulless. At least in my case, yeah work is soulless, but it gives me enough capital and plenty of free time to explore the arts in a more “free” way. IMO if you want to pursue the arts, bite the bullet and get a soulless job that takes as little of your time and gives you as much pay as possible. I wanted to study history, and now I can :)

>>24572671
I will speak from Estonian experience where everyone is a conservative - only two parties are left leaning, the other ten are different shades of conservatism. Maybe it's different in the US but, for me, living in Estonia feels like you're in an IRL version of /pol/.
1) High conformism. Conservative people don't really break new ground because of the false belief that perfection happened in the past and we must only copy it. Outdated visual and sonic and literary modes are preferred over new experiments, which are considered bad because the pollute the traditional vibe. Themes are also limited. Family friendly books about family values, heroism, pride in one's nationality, victimhood chronicles, historical revised history, fake old myths glorifying a fake mythical past are the only thing permitted. Everything that explores the margins of the conservative ethnostate - or dares to criticize the conservative ideology of the state and the serious issues it creates - is pushed away and considered Russian propaganda or some degenerate crap from the West (which all Estonians hate for diluting their culture while having half of the family West of Poland).
2) Low IQ. Creative expressions are often the result of seeing patterns or creating new patterns that are coherent and logical. This requires the ability to see patterns and then to manipulate patterns: all activities requiring high IQ. Add that often, in high art and literature, things may mean several things at once, and the effect of the abstraction abilities of a high IQ become even more obvious. The influence of IQ comes sharper in language since to write good literature you must know rules of grammar, rules of style, have sense of rhythm, and be able to arrange words in novel creative ways (new metaphors, new ways of writing). And then there's the ability to simulate a mind of another person, which also reflects high abstraction and empathy: traits of a high IQ.
Conservative literature relies on traditional structures and tropes. The content is often didactic and propagandist. Often it's very black and white. The good side are angels. The bad guys are pedophile demons from hell. Understanding of people is retard tier - a Russian is always bad, inferiour; an Estonian is an abused angelic soul who can do no evil. Experimental and demanding and challenging books are considered enemy propaganda or the work of some Judeo-Russian overlords. The problem in Estonia is exacerbated by the fact that the language itself is limited, primitive, and outdated for literary publications and even scientific work. Not all languages are equal, and some language do make people retarded and more right leaning due to their innate problems. But try to explain that to an Estonian, though, who barely reads in his own language, let alone have deep linguistic knowledge to read in several and compared the languages on structural levels.

>>24576567
Another factor that applies here is openness to experience. Left wingers have no problems engaging with foreign cultures and, as a result of this process, may create interesting syncretic works of art. Right wing regards everything new and foreign as potentially dangerous to the stability of their state, so the stuff is usually disregarded or considered low or degenerate. Conservative fear new things, which leads to them stewing in the same right wing slop through decades.
3) Conservatives regard emotions as unmanly and soft. Emotional expression in a conservative society is severely restricted. Men who feel are fags. Women who feel are whores. Men must provide. Women must care for the family. Anyone that interferes with it is a Russian agent or US globohomo force.
Such emotionally restricted people can only produce either propaganda art or kitsch things because the concept of art as emotional expression is foreign to them. Art advances the cause of the state. Not expresses improper soft feelings.
To sum up, conservative can't produce anything good because they're low IQ obedient NPC cattle (who have psychotic beliefs due to emotional and sexual repression).

>>24576573
left wingers have inhibited disgust sensitivity, they don't perceive threats properly

>>24576573

Are you familiar with jonathan haidt's research? or his moral foundations theory?
https://ironcountynews.org/summary-of-jonathan-haidts-moral-foundations-theory-and-differences-between-the-left-and-right/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SOQduoLgRw

>>24572671
>conservatives suck at art
All art is preservation of the thought
All preservation is conservative
All art is conservative. All artists are conservative.

>>24572634 (OP)
projecting self insert sexual fantasies onto preexisting characters is overwhelmingly a women/fag thing

>>24575156
>>24575175
>Tolstoy
Disregarded private property and therefore a Communist.

>>24576567
Aren't Disco Elysium developers and writer Estonian? I think both left and right wingers get their share of shit served to them there.

>>24572644
>ao3
>intellectual
um

>>24576369
God

>>24572671
In the field of visual arts at least, conservatives tend to like the classical academic style which is almost completely dead in the west. They've also positioned themselves as being against intellectuals and higher education so the only thing they're left with is pointing at shitty conceptual art and pointing out that old art from classical and renaissance artists is better. In Russia the academic system was preserved and academies like Surikov and Repin that are rather conservative institutions and produce good artists.

Chuds are too busy reading Heidegger and Nietzsche to waste time writing graphic sex scenes about Harry Potter and Sonic the Hedgehog

>>24572644
No one except femgooners and the mentally ill read for entertainment because that's the only drivel that is allowed to be published. We haven't exactly entered an artistic golden age since you freaks took over.

>>24572671
"Conservatives" don't really believe anything. If they really believed in something they would fight for it. Their position is whatever liberals believed 20-30 years ago. The instinct that leads to creation is simply not a conservative one. Consider also the fact that if you're an artist and you wish to rebel against the system without losing all your connections and opportunities, the last thing you would do is associate with far right circles.

>>24577031
Conservatives believe that the US Constitution is quasi-divinely inspired. They believe that as long as they follow its rules, their watchmaker god will eventually make everything okay again (this is very ironic). Moses was one of the most popular figures of 18th snd 19th century America.

>>24576567
>>I will speak from Estonian experience where everyone is a conservative
That's why you legalized gay adoption?

>>24576683
Estonia is a feminazi judeohomo panoptihellhole like Iceland.

Which tribe wants child labor back and to weaken educational outreach through plans such as banning books and subjects that dont align with their religious views (that they themselves misunderstand and misrepresent)?

That should tell you why they dont create.
Evil cant. It can only corrupt.

>CAPTCHA: POSG2G
Couldnt said it better.

>>24572671
Conservatives are in denial about modernity. When traditional bourgeoisie society and faith in the church starting breaking down through historical traumas and revolutions of the 19th century, artists began to explore how we can still have aesthetic experiences and make meaning in the absence of traditional authority. Conservatives just deny that there was ever any problem with society, and instead blame outside influence corrupting society like Jews or Freemasons, or Communists. They aren't able to come up with any interesting answers to the problems of modernity because they're in denial about the problems themselves and their only answers are to return to an idealized image of the past, or to blame an external group. Same reason why they can't critique or engage with most modern art beyond calling it ugly.

>>24577152
> Rain, Steam and Speed
Nice, my favorite painting.
I know this is a literature board but Turner-style proto-impressionist landscape paintings were really the best blend of abstract and realist for me. Man cared about light so much you might as well call his paintings photography.

>>24576678
His Christianity still places him on the right.

>>24572634 (OP)
Because fanfiction is some shit that only teenage girls write

>>24572644
I once knew a conservative guy who wrote Pokémon fanfiction. He treated it like a sandbox to keep his writing sharp while not having to stress too much about inventing characters or settings. Everything was always fairly clean, no degeneracy, straight pairings only, and the like. Unfortunately, because he never took his fanfiction that seriously as its own thing, rather than just a writing sandbox, his fics, while better written (at least in terms of grammar, sentence structure, and cohesive storytelling) than most of the slop out there, were never that original. I'm pretty sure he actually wrote the same plot 4 times, with the same characters, just in different settings and swapping the perspective.

>>24577210
If every Christian is by default a right-winger then there are a LOT of right-wing writers.

>>24572634 (OP)
I recently found a Harry Potter fanfic written by a German chud who is relatively well-known in right-wing circles, Die Unbestechlichen by Manfred Kleine-Hartlage. Pretty hilarious seeing that among his other publications.
It is blatantly political, but otherwise solidly written and fun to read (I listened to it while driving mostly, he recorded the entire fic)