Thread 24572634

>site is extremely uncensored like 4chan
>userbase is still liberals and trannies

>>24572634 (OP)
For several decades now conservatives have embraced extreme and militant anti-intellectualism. As a result, it's mostly people who are left-leaning that still read or write for pleasure. This even applies to slop like fanfiction. Conservatives simply do not read for entertainment.

>>24572634 (OP)
Chuds are not actually creative, which is why they've rallied around AI to make the chuddy art they couldn't be bothered to be produced.

>>24572634 (OP)
I was impressed to find out that i enjoyed immensely more my time reading a couple of fan fictions than the miriad of novels i have come across. When the stuff is good, it has that personal touch along with the sincerity that the appreciation of something beyond itself has. Maybe i'll give it a try, sounds really fun.

I went searching for incest erotica.
it was quite disappointing, so I found an old mirror of asstr instead, but the search is borked so it's a bit tedious the writing is better

>>24572634 (OP)
Unconditional creativity has no bounds, and to partake in something like this, you do it for the sake of it in earnest. Doing something for love, for fun, is not something that has any place on this board, let alone across 4chan in general.

>>24572634 (OP)
Conservatives think that they're gonna catch a communism if they read books

>>24572657
What warped version of conservatism are you picturing in your mind?

>>24572653
>I went searching for incest erotica.
Speaking of, there are appallingly few stories about Harry banging his mom.

>>24572663
Look, I know you're a conservative that reads and therefore you feel offended by my post, I'm not saying EVERY conservative is a retard, but you can't deny that the right has had a long streak of anti intellectualism ever since the so called "paleoconservative" movement disappeared from the political scene.

Genuine question why do conservatives suck at art so much. Is it because they're more rooted in reality and incapable of being trapped in their head and feelings the same way? And it's that same disposition that make liberals go insane?

>>24572671
They think imagination is woke lol

>>24572674
I don't, by but and large liberal people I know are into artsy shit and fanciful things, or are at least heavy consumers of it, and conservatives just live their lives and fix their car or whatever free from self inflicted mental illness brainworms.

>>24572683
>and conservatives just live their lives and fix their car or whatever free from self inflicted mental illness brainworms.
The whole Q phenomenon and conspiracy theory culture gripping the right by the balls says otherwise.

>>24572669
That tends to happen when the university system gets infiltrated and taken over by lying degenerate shitlibs, jews and commies.
See the replication crisis.

>>24572671
Most of the degenerate modern "art" nowadays is liberal in nature though?

>>24572884
It's still art, which is more that can be said of the nearly non-existent modern conservative art scene.

>>24572634 (OP)
There are plenty of fanfiction on there where I can tell the writer is right wing.
But generally, fanfiction is left wing and female because those spaces are more accepting of what we will term "fan culture". In masculine spaces, the idea of expressing a deeper interest in manga, anime, games, etc. than flippant disinterest or raw analysis of components (the gameplay is good, the "story has stakes", whatever) is generally viewed as embarrassing. This ties into conservatism, which has optics entirely tied into projecting a strong man look (as they walk around in khaki shorts and golf shirts).

>>24572671
I graduated in econ so my view is through that lens, but for what it's worth I really do think it's economics. Think about what it feels like to write for a living.
The institution of capitalism basically doesn't care for you. It will take you and maybe reward you if you happen to succeed without its help, but also it will keep pressuring you to crank out uninspired marketable slop that can't push boundaries because it narrows the addressable market. If you try to peddle your services as a TV/video game/etc writer, the salary is shit, the pressure to be sellable is even higher, projects fail all the time and there is no meritocratic way to advance your career, because everything is very high-school and dependent on who you know.
These people are basically living capitalism on hard mode. It is no surprise that they are left-wing, which in the US translates to progressive.
This then has downstream effects on what the institutions that teach writing look like, what people that talk about writing are like, and the rest.
I bet it's very much the same with other art forms. With film it's even more pronounced because for historical reasons the industry is geographically centered on California.

I post my fanfiction on AO3, but it doesn't get very many hits. Probably because it's not porno.

>>24572644
>>24572647
Maybe chuds just don't like to write furry incest pissplay gangbang smut

>>24574638
My brother in arms.

>>24574657
I get some upvotes on the short stories I post on Reddit, but it never seems to lead to anything buffer. My novel sales are absolutely dead in the water. Seems my style of fiction is out of fashion. And as long as I live, I'll never understand the appeal of r/nosleep.

>>24574638
Based. I have two fics over there, both of them migrated from my old-ass FF.net account, and neither of them are porn.

Despite that, they're both decently popular.

Man I kind of wish we had a board for fanfiction on 4chan. It's one of those topics you can't really talk about satisfactorily on any single board. /lit/ would be the board for it, but, of course, it's specifically banned here.

>>24572634 (OP)
There's tons. I'm not sure AO3 is the preferred site for non fetish ff.

>>24572644
It's sad because I originally became sympathetic to right-wing politics because I cared about defending the arts, but more and more these days, I feel like I picked the wrong side.

>>24574706
Just become a reactionary, they can create good art. Gene Wolfe was one.

>>24574688
Within the next few days, I'll be up to an even dozen. In the 2 1/2 years since I started posting my fanfic there, my most-viewed work has all of 43 views. I'm very, very out of fashion.

>>24572668
Harry Potter?
There is plenty of fanfiction of him banging his mom
You could find literally any kind of fanfiction from HP and not be able to count the end of it

>>24572634 (OP)
Healthy and mature adults and responsible people are not interested in or waste time on things like writing fictional stories about cartoons and garish content.

>>24572634 (OP)
We are living in the fanfiction.

>>24574706
>I feel like I picked the wrong side.
you're not immutably bound to one political faction just because you sympathized with them for a while
that said the faction in power is always going to be full of philistines. nothing you can do about that.

>>24574706
I also went to the right 10 years ago because the left was extremely anti-intellectual and anti-art. they still kinda are, but the right is also anti-intellectual Trumptards.
the third position is the only solution.

>>24572634 (OP)
There are rightoids there, but they don't talk about it unless they're crashing out. You can tell, often enough, with the kind of people who don't openly voice opinions on hot political issues.

>>24572671
Conservatives in America are largely organized around economic interests. They are the people with boring middle-tier jobs that don't leave them with enough wealth or leisure time to cultivate artistic interests. The unstimulating nature of their work is psychically exhausting to the handful of them who have latent artistic sensibilities and it leaves them demotivated husks. If we were ancient Greeks, our conservatives would be the modestly successful freeholding peasants who form the rank and file of the hoplite armies. Essential to the health of society, possibly the single most important and indispensable social class in fact, but they are boring and boorish and produce no culture and everyone else hates them for one reason or another and their occasional populist victories in the political arena always end in disaster.

>>24574932
Marxists infamously hate them too, which is hilarious. Orwell talks about that.

>>24572669
>but you can't deny that the right has had a long streak of anti intellectualism ever since the so called "paleoconservative" movement disappeared from the political scene.
Only in Tardmerica.

>>24572634 (OP)
I do, I just feel too embarrassed to share my shitty works.

I like being comfy in my own little corner.

>>24574706
Weird, in my experience, it's usually the right that is still defending classical art and literature. Meanwhile the left has started a crusade against the western canon. Leftists simply refuse to read any literature anymore that isn't slop that was written by millennial women of color.

The right has Anna Karenina, the left has When Side N*gga Catch Feeling.

>>24572657
It's true that regrettably a lot of conservatives don't read at all, but the ones that do read, are reading the likes of Dante, Homer, Milton, Shakespeare, Tolstoy etc.
More lefties read books, but all they read is YA romance and fantasy schlock.

Quality > Quantity.

>>24575156
I think the so called right is extremely bifurcated.
you have neocons and other soulless zionists on one side and normal people the other.

Of course my perception of the right wing is mostly fixated upon the embracing of the natural and beautiful.

I do some writing but it’s not fanfic and I’m not sure I’d get an audience mainly because I don’t want to risk attracting haters and so I don’t promote myself anywhere
If I were a lib I’d have a slightly different upside/downside ratio
>>24574706
You’re just not seeing the right-wingers who defend the arts (there’s probably dozens of them, plural, but I don’t know that many)
Check out Jonathan Keeperman of Passage Press (<https://x.com/L0m3z>) and/or Fen de Villiers (< https://www.fendevilliers.com/>)

>>24572644
If conservatives read books they wouldn't have been played by the orange man

It's a well known fact that protofascists, cryptofascist and open fascists create art of the highest quality. I don't know about contemporary art because I don't "consume it" but highest quality art always came from the right and that's a fact you can't deny.

>>24575335
>Proto smut
>Art of the highest quality

>>24575390
>smut
Ok he's smut, let me post another author that you can't call smut

>>24575175
Most right leaning conservatives I know who read just read self help sloppa and grifter books like the stuff Peterson writes. It's horrible to come across a book store and most options you see are YA neoleft drivel or self help garbage.
Hell most people I know who read classical literature are leftists but more the just generally leaning left kind rather than the wild "woke" activist kind.
Life sucks for a left leaning conservative

>>24575441
>Life sucks for a left leaning conservative
It would break the minds of certain people to see these ideas together

>>24575441
>conservatives
They were always the worst people on the right. More extreme right wingers were always more intellectual or they would take anti intellectual positions but those positions would ironically come from their intellectualism

>>24574864
who's writing

>>24572964
Interesting take and it checks out. As a STEM-Chad making ez 6 figs WFH, I can see why my artist friends hate their lives. One works for $20/hr as a graphics designer at a local credit union and he complains that he’s poor and he can’t actually pursue his passion at work (I guess there’s corporate design language he must follow) , it’s just soulless. At least in my case, yeah work is soulless, but it gives me enough capital and plenty of free time to explore the arts in a more “free” way. IMO if you want to pursue the arts, bite the bullet and get a soulless job that takes as little of your time and gives you as much pay as possible. I wanted to study history, and now I can :)

>>24572671
I will speak from Estonian experience where everyone is a conservative - only two parties are left leaning, the other ten are different shades of conservatism. Maybe it's different in the US but, for me, living in Estonia feels like you're in an IRL version of /pol/.
1) High conformism. Conservative people don't really break new ground because of the false belief that perfection happened in the past and we must only copy it. Outdated visual and sonic and literary modes are preferred over new experiments, which are considered bad because the pollute the traditional vibe. Themes are also limited. Family friendly books about family values, heroism, pride in one's nationality, victimhood chronicles, historical revised history, fake old myths glorifying a fake mythical past are the only thing permitted. Everything that explores the margins of the conservative ethnostate - or dares to criticize the conservative ideology of the state and the serious issues it creates - is pushed away and considered Russian propaganda or some degenerate crap from the West (which all Estonians hate for diluting their culture while having half of the family West of Poland).
2) Low IQ. Creative expressions are often the result of seeing patterns or creating new patterns that are coherent and logical. This requires the ability to see patterns and then to manipulate patterns: all activities requiring high IQ. Add that often, in high art and literature, things may mean several things at once, and the effect of the abstraction abilities of a high IQ become even more obvious. The influence of IQ comes sharper in language since to write good literature you must know rules of grammar, rules of style, have sense of rhythm, and be able to arrange words in novel creative ways (new metaphors, new ways of writing). And then there's the ability to simulate a mind of another person, which also reflects high abstraction and empathy: traits of a high IQ.
Conservative literature relies on traditional structures and tropes. The content is often didactic and propagandist. Often it's very black and white. The good side are angels. The bad guys are pedophile demons from hell. Understanding of people is retard tier - a Russian is always bad, inferiour; an Estonian is an abused angelic soul who can do no evil. Experimental and demanding and challenging books are considered enemy propaganda or the work of some Judeo-Russian overlords. The problem in Estonia is exacerbated by the fact that the language itself is limited, primitive, and outdated for literary publications and even scientific work. Not all languages are equal, and some language do make people retarded and more right leaning due to their innate problems. But try to explain that to an Estonian, though, who barely reads in his own language, let alone have deep linguistic knowledge to read in several and compared the languages on structural levels.

>>24576567
Another factor that applies here is openness to experience. Left wingers have no problems engaging with foreign cultures and, as a result of this process, may create interesting syncretic works of art. Right wing regards everything new and foreign as potentially dangerous to the stability of their state, so the stuff is usually disregarded or considered low or degenerate. Conservative fear new things, which leads to them stewing in the same right wing slop through decades.
3) Conservatives regard emotions as unmanly and soft. Emotional expression in a conservative society is severely restricted. Men who feel are fags. Women who feel are whores. Men must provide. Women must care for the family. Anyone that interferes with it is a Russian agent or US globohomo force.
Such emotionally restricted people can only produce either propaganda art or kitsch things because the concept of art as emotional expression is foreign to them. Art advances the cause of the state. Not expresses improper soft feelings.
To sum up, conservative can't produce anything good because they're low IQ obedient NPC cattle (who have psychotic beliefs due to emotional and sexual repression).

>>24576573
left wingers have inhibited disgust sensitivity, they don't perceive threats properly

>>24576573

Are you familiar with jonathan haidt's research? or his moral foundations theory?
https://ironcountynews.org/summary-of-jonathan-haidts-moral-foundations-theory-and-differences-between-the-left-and-right/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SOQduoLgRw

>>24572671
>conservatives suck at art
All art is preservation of the thought
All preservation is conservative
All art is conservative. All artists are conservative.

>>24572634 (OP)
projecting self insert sexual fantasies onto preexisting characters is overwhelmingly a women/fag thing

>>24575156
>>24575175
>Tolstoy
Disregarded private property and therefore a Communist.

>>24576567
Aren't Disco Elysium developers and writer Estonian? I think both left and right wingers get their share of shit served to them there.

>>24572644
>ao3
>intellectual
um

>>24576369
God

>>24572671
In the field of visual arts at least, conservatives tend to like the classical academic style which is almost completely dead in the west. They've also positioned themselves as being against intellectuals and higher education so the only thing they're left with is pointing at shitty conceptual art and pointing out that old art from classical and renaissance artists is better. In Russia the academic system was preserved and academies like Surikov and Repin that are rather conservative institutions and produce good artists.

Chuds are too busy reading Heidegger and Nietzsche to waste time writing graphic sex scenes about Harry Potter and Sonic the Hedgehog

>>24572644
No one except femgooners and the mentally ill read for entertainment because that's the only drivel that is allowed to be published. We haven't exactly entered an artistic golden age since you freaks took over.

>>24572671
"Conservatives" don't really believe anything. If they really believed in something they would fight for it. Their position is whatever liberals believed 20-30 years ago. The instinct that leads to creation is simply not a conservative one. Consider also the fact that if you're an artist and you wish to rebel against the system without losing all your connections and opportunities, the last thing you would do is associate with far right circles.

>>24577031
Conservatives believe that the US Constitution is quasi-divinely inspired. They believe that as long as they follow its rules, their watchmaker god will eventually make everything okay again (this is very ironic). Moses was one of the most popular figures of 18th snd 19th century America.

>>24576567
>>I will speak from Estonian experience where everyone is a conservative
That's why you legalized gay adoption?

>>24576683
Estonia is a feminazi judeohomo panoptihellhole like Iceland.

Which tribe wants child labor back and to weaken educational outreach through plans such as banning books and subjects that dont align with their religious views (that they themselves misunderstand and misrepresent)?

That should tell you why they dont create.
Evil cant. It can only corrupt.

>CAPTCHA: POSG2G
Couldnt said it better.

>>24572671
Conservatives are in denial about modernity. When traditional bourgeoisie society and faith in the church starting breaking down through historical traumas and revolutions of the 19th century, artists began to explore how we can still have aesthetic experiences and make meaning in the absence of traditional authority. Conservatives just deny that there was ever any problem with society, and instead blame outside influence corrupting society like Jews or Freemasons, or Communists. They aren't able to come up with any interesting answers to the problems of modernity because they're in denial about the problems themselves and their only answers are to return to an idealized image of the past, or to blame an external group. Same reason why they can't critique or engage with most modern art beyond calling it ugly.

>>24577152
> Rain, Steam and Speed
Nice, my favorite painting.
I know this is a literature board but Turner-style proto-impressionist landscape paintings were really the best blend of abstract and realist for me. Man cared about light so much you might as well call his paintings photography.

>>24576678
His Christianity still places him on the right.

>>24572634 (OP)
Because fanfiction is some shit that only teenage girls write

>>24572644
I once knew a conservative guy who wrote Pokémon fanfiction. He treated it like a sandbox to keep his writing sharp while not having to stress too much about inventing characters or settings. Everything was always fairly clean, no degeneracy, straight pairings only, and the like. Unfortunately, because he never took his fanfiction that seriously as its own thing, rather than just a writing sandbox, his fics, while better written (at least in terms of grammar, sentence structure, and cohesive storytelling) than most of the slop out there, were never that original. I'm pretty sure he actually wrote the same plot 4 times, with the same characters, just in different settings and swapping the perspective.

>>24577210
If every Christian is by default a right-winger then there are a LOT of right-wing writers.

>>24572634 (OP)
I recently found a Harry Potter fanfic written by a German chud who is relatively well-known in right-wing circles, Die Unbestechlichen by Manfred Kleine-Hartlage. Pretty hilarious seeing that among his other publications.
It is blatantly political, but otherwise solidly written and fun to read (I listened to it while driving mostly, he recorded the entire fic)

>>24572634 (OP)
I've literally read a Harry Potter fanfic where the author makes Harry lay a magic curse on all the mosques of France so that all muggles start hating Muslims
"For The Love of Magic" by Noodlehammer
It got taken off FF.net for the above

>>24574716
Yeah. There's only a couple hundred stories on AO3 that involve Harry Potter banging his mom, and over 90% of them are parts of anthologies where he just bangs a bunch of different girls. And most of those are very poorly written.

Good, strong smut where Harry gets it on with his mother are in startlingly short supply. I've had to resort to writing my own.

Amazing thread. I took the liberty to read a fanfic on Sonic The Hedgehog x Tails and it is not all that bad...
I'll give this fanfic rigamarole a chance whenever I get too exhausted from the Iliad

>>24577573
kek this reminds me of an erotic weight gain MLP fanfic I once read that featured petplay.

Unironically and literally the average AO3 writer mogs the fuck out of /lit/ anons in terms of writing ability.

>>24577672
It's because fanfic writers actually write while /lit/ just talks about writing.

>>24577673
I've been writing in a serious capacity for more than 20 years, and I got my start writing fanfiction. Specifically, way way back in the day, Pokemon fanfiction, on the old IGN Message Boards. That was the first time I really sat down and put fingers to keyboard to tell a serious story, and it was also the first time I got positive feedback about stories I'd written, which convinced me I might be able to do this as a career, or at least as a hobby.

I'll never regret my time writing fanfiction, it's help me become the writer I am today.

>>24577577
Well, that kind of explains why guys on the right aren’t submitting to sites like that
>>24577227
That’s almost interesting, though — do the same thing four times, see what’s different
Reminds me of Fullmetal Alchemist and FMA:B

>>24576369
Me

>>24576586
>All preservation is conservative
>except preserving the environment
>except preserving the average citizen's quality of life
>except preserving access to knowledge
>except preserving natural resources
>except preserving a functional economy
>except preserving cultural institutions
>except
>except
>except
"Conservatives" are vampiric retards.

>>24572671
I dont think that's true. But, this anon makes a good point
>>24572964
There are conservative writers who are good, in the classical sense of the word conservative. It is more rare.
There is a type of artist who is basically a lumpenprole, that knows they are degenerate and thinks society should aim higher than who their archetype, without changing themselves. Dostoevsky comes to mind, conservative in the extreme, even in his own time.

>>24578643
>except preserving the environment
Importing a trillion Mexicans into small town Iowa isn't "preserving the environment."
>except preserving the average citizen's quality of life
My quality of life declined under the last 4 years and has already risen this year alone.
>except preserving access to knowledge
Banning history books for being "wacist" = preserving access to knowledge, apparently.
>except preserving natural resources
Cool, so you're okay with nuclear now?
>except preserving a functional economy
I'm not paying 80% in taxes to fund child mutilation.
>except preserving cultural institutions
>nooooo you have to let us stay in charge of the cultural institutions we took over in the 1960s!!!!

>>24577152
What's the brilliant counterpoint coming from so called progressives, or however you'd label the "non conservatives"

>>24578643
The status quo is doing none of these. Are you defending the status quo, or alleging it has been dominated by conservatism?

>>24572634 (OP)
most fiction is too boring and retarded to write fiction based on it.

>>24577147
>Which tribe wants child labor back and to weaken educational outreach through plans such as banning books and subjects that dont align with their religious views
nothing wrong with this.

>>24577573
wild place

>>24572644
Lol it's funny how this is the first post since the whole idea of arrested development manchildren writing fanfics of Pokemon and Persona is implicitly understood to be a leftist past-time.

>>24572671
'Art' and the 'intellectualized' way that people think about is sissy cope. It's for sex and the idea of political/bodily security in the abstract. See 'Trishatov, the first 'pansy' in Russian literature'. Trishatov is a sympathetic character in The Adolescent who plays a key role in the ending. He's a doomed figure who cannot be saved due to extreme internal weakness and sensitivity leading him to get involved with underground sex clubs

>>24577152
>Conservatives just deny that there was ever any problem with society, and instead blame outside influence corrupting society like Jews or Freemasons, or Communists.
Conservatives don't do this; I do this (and I'm correct in doing so). In short, eat shit jew.

I love fanfic. When I write novels I send the query off to the empty void and never get anything but a form rejection, the manuscript sits on my harddrive unread. It's lonely. Meanwhile with fanfiction I put it up and instantly get tons of engagement.

The thing is fanfiction is stupidly easy to write. I just wrote a 35k word fic in 2 weeks. I don't even need multiple drafts, just a basic line edit and I'm a big fish in a small pond, my minimum effort is already top 5% for AO3's quality. I don't have to worry about agent preferences and publishing guidelines, I can write whatever the hell I want and readers eat it up. Plus I can write the most disgusting porn known to man and it gets smashed with kudos.
>>24574638
Maybe you just suck. Both my porn and my non-porn (I have 3 accounts to keep them separated) get good hits and kudos.

I'll give you this: What you write makes more of an impact than how you write. You can be the best writer in the world but if you're writing rarepair in a dead fandom you'll get crickets. Meanwhile if you're writing for a popular ship, especially fag shit, in a big lively fandom you can't not get buried in kudos. I write for midsized pairings/fandoms. I could get more kudos if I wrote for popular shit, but I don't want to.

>>24572671
Most great artists of the past were what people now would consider conservative or reactionary. Even a lot of the modernists were straight up just fascist or sympathetic to fascist ideas. The problem of the 21st century is that everyone seems to be spent. There are no more great writers, the liberals write gay novels for women and conservatives don't write or read.

Better question, why are young men leaning more and more to the right recently? Japan's upper house elections showed a surge of support for right-wing populism, and Germany and France's ruling liberal elite are just barely hanging on in the face of parties like the AfD. And then there's Trump in the US.
What's going on, guys? Are we losing the young men? Is it good that so many voting-age guys are voting against our interests when we didn't like them anyways?

>>24578835
Art in reality is just the physical practice of sitting down to something that you're specifically doing to make angels happy so they want to talk to you more (sic Palingenius). People have always played music sitting down. Like just imagine what a human looks like sitting at a desk, he's obviously working for his own security. People forget the physical image of that, and the intellectualized delusions that result are all about a higher sensual control. Clever people want to control others with their various tastes and appetites. It's all a wide delusion

>>24572634 (OP)
I love how yuri loses so hard there. A few months ago yurifags were crying on social media about being mogged so hard by male gay and straight ships.

>>24578976
they're always arguing this. 80% of fics are m/m because of fujos. personally i hate fag shit and prefer het, but it is what it is. fuck knows why teenage girls idolize fudge packers when they hate anal.

>>24579023
In the 2000s women fantasized mostly about straight relationships and BL was a side interest. How did faggotry overtake normal romance, and is the main form that women like now?

>>24579116
Serious answer is multi-faceted. The women who are into yaoi are almost entirely straight women. 2 men in a relationship means 2 men they can fantasize about instead of 1 so it's more stimulating and, as their dopamine receptors get more and more fucked up, they need to goon to 2 dicks instead of 1. These women are also insecure so seeing their fictional crush with another fictional woman makes them reeeeeee, as even a cardboard cutout like twilight's bella swan, who is as bland and blank as possible, still feels like an impossible standard for them to meet as she isn't a fat crazy middle aged ugly loser. If the female character is average, she triggers all women below average who cannot self insert due to insecurity. Most female characters are above average compared to people, hence why so many women can no longer enjoy thinking about a het ship. Additionally seeing the female character relegated to traditional gender roles including submissive sex roles reminds them of their own bad experiences with IRL misogyny and is a turn-off. Thus, yaoi is the answer.

And this isn't to shit on women. Men are just as insecure, hence why harem anime with a bland beta protag is standard now, and more and more they have to make the protag not just an average normal guy but an outright hikki-NEET loser. mental health of both genders is at an all time low.

>>24578643
It's funny of you to say that because historically conservatives actually expoused most of that shit. Environmentalism was literally born on the right.
Just goes to show how the whole political spectrum in america is hardcore liberal, no moldbreaking whatsoever no matter how much the factions hate each other and pretend to not be the same.

>>24578662
>What's the brilliant counterpoint coming from so called progressives, or however you'd label the "non conservatives"
More or less all of art history since the 1870s. It's not as simple as coming up with "a brilliant counterpoint" to the crises of modernity, but even approaching the questions in the first place. The art world has been struggling to find meaning in art and explore the capability of humans for aesthetic meaning-making in lieu of a central authority, and it's a conversation conservatives have almost entirely opted to exclude themselves from

I'm trying to make a crossover between Fate Zero and Asoiaf in which different characters from Asoiaf were summoned as Servants (Roose/Assassin, Ramsey/Caster, Robb/Berserker, Stannis/Rider and Jon/Saber, the rest of the Servants remain the same as canon) in the 4th Grail War but I can never do anything more than the outline. I know it's shit but I can't get the idea out of my head.

>>24579329
I think it's neat.

I paid a Chinese guy to write a fanfic about Stannis win

>>24579116
Fan fiction had been notoriously M/M-heavy for far longer than that, probably going back to Kirk/Spock at least.
I think that when writing directly for the id, catering to likeminded people at most but without having to worry about broad palatibility, straight women tend to like M/M best while straight men tend to like F/F. Not exclusively but sufficiently to become the majority. In male-leaning fan fiction communities you see lots of F/F.
The female equivalent of >>24579167's bland beta protag is incidentally Readerfic, written in the second person from the point of view of an underspecified female protagonist. Often these stories will insert "Y/N" into the text wherever the character's name would go, and there exist browser extensions to automatically replace this with your own name.
Everything is symmetrical.

>>24579342
I'd like to denote that y/n insert fic for female readers tend to only have 1 male love interest, whereas male self insert fantasies usually devolve to harems. Or in other words, men bite off more pussy than their dick can chew while women retain some sense of shame. At worst in female targeted fiction you might get a love triangle, which is just a harem of 2. Compare that to some shit like Re/Zero where the male insert is romancing countless women, at least 6+, and maybe some femboys as well. The male fantasy is insatiable greed.

I also disagree that men prefer F/F. Most of them like F/M. Lesbian porn is a subcategory, most porn for male viewers is F/M, same with fic and stories. Most F/F fic are written by women. Ironically when a male is writing F/F they tend to write it as futa instead of actual lesbians with real vaginas.

>>24579337
Thanks, I'm having trouble writing it because like an idiot I got ahead of myself while imagining the story and advanced it to stay night and I need to have everything planned before writing

>>24579167
A lot of the times its third world or Muslim girls who would be beaten if they actually married wanting some kind of sexual satisfaction

>>24572634 (OP)
>>24572644
>>24572671
Truth is that people who are mentally well and contribute to society traditionally don’t partake in these kind of things. This is why the left dominates the arts in our post-20th century art world.

Most conservatives simply aren’t as mentally fucked as the left and would much rather spend their time pursuing things more useful in life or that can support their families like business/fitness.

>>24579372
Probably depends on the community. AFAIK Worm has a male fandom and plenty of male characters and its AO3 stats go F/F > F/M > M/M.
>Most F/F fic are written by women.
IDK if you'd get this sort of thing that way: https://fanlore.org/wiki/Eating_Your_Veggies
>Ironically when a male is writing F/F they tend to write it as futa
And women writing M/M very often write mpreg/omegaverse/men with vaginas.
I think the harem thing is a genuine asymmetry though.

>>24577573
>>24578827
Absolutely fvarking based femcoomers.

>>24579452
Unfortunately most femcels/femcoomers are usually fat af and never wash their pussy IRL. Don’t ask how I know.

>>24579196
One of the real redpills is realizing that the United States ITSELF is incapable of being right-wing because its entire founding is a moment in the leftward thrust of the last 500 years.

The United States was founded by bourgeoisie intellectuals in an act of direct rebellion to their rightful king. It was a left-wing act. The Declaration of Independence is a left-wing document. The United States is a left-wing country and always has been. To be a true right-winger you have to reject the entire idea of America and its ideology.

Pic related. Samuel Johnson is one of the West's great historical right-wingers and he saw America for what it is. You should read his pamphlet "Taxation No Tyranny" in which he calls out the Founding Fathers.

>>24579446
>Probably depends on the community
Yeah I think so, my experience has been different.
>And women writing M/M very often write mpreg/omegaverse
Valid. For a moment I forgot a/b/o existed. I want to go back to that. At least now a lot of people are criticizing it because the omega is just a stand-in for the female partner--abused, humiliated, bottoming, submissive, gets impregnated. Which women hate in a het ship but slap a dick on it and suddenly it's hunky dory.
>Eat your Veggies
Yeah, personally I write F/F and F/M because I like both, but there is moralizing about F/F to that tune. Which I think is crazy because pussy is delicious.

Tangent but there used to be rampant bashing of female characters by female fanwriters to get that character out of the way for their M/M ship. It's less common nowadays but for example Sakura Haruno was basically the fandom's Satan-Hitler for a long time so they could write their Sasunaru slash. No one can hate women quite as intensely as other women. Nowadays they usually make the woman into a lesbian to get her out of the way. This is big in the Harry Potter/Marauders fandom so they can get their fucking Jegulus (James with Regulus) and Lily is dealt with in some way (but not by putting her with Snape of course, the poor bastard.)

Fandom is fascinating.

>>24579499
>the United States ITSELF is incapable of being right-wing
could have fooled me because we've got a Gestapo and Fourth Reich

>>24572644
Right-wingers have written all my favorite books. Modern conservatives are just anti-establishment leftists.

>>24574641
Sounds fun desu

>>24572669
>>24572644
Do you think trannies and leftist women are reading classical western canon, nigga?

>>24578119
No, me.

stuck on the waiting list eager to post the first chapter of my first fanfic (it is rarepair m/f bestiality romantic slowburn)

>>24579499
Conservatives just wanna go back to the founder's beliefs that worked. Aka hating niggers, trannies, jews, whores.

>>24572964
Thats why monarchy/aristocracy is better for arts. There, the merit for success is impressing highly educated individuals, not how many shabos goys goon to your slop

>>24576573
This very much

>>24580526
I really think it's somewhat notable how democratic republics tend to regard their great artists with disdain and contempt. Think about what the United States did to Herman Melville.

>>24580534
What they do?

>>24580552
Ignored him, basically. Because they didn't understand him. The English and French critical reviews of Moby-Dick were very favorable but the American reviews absolutely trashed it, and they ruined Melville's once-promising reputation as a writer. All his later work was published in nearly total obscurity.

And it fucking kills me, because Melville is probably America's greatest artist. Even his poetry is good. And in prose he's clearly the greatest writer the United States has ever produced. But America had to basically be dragged kicking and screaming into loving him.

>>24580555
Ok so who cares it's not like he didn't have money.

>>24580298
Nuh-uh

>>24577031
>"Conservatives" don't really believe anything. If they really believed in something they would fight for it. Their position is whatever liberals believed 20-30 years ago.
You say this like this is a gotcha but this is literally what happens when the overton window shifts too much in one direction while you mostly retain the same ideas, and you really can't do much about it. I have mostly the same ideology I've had since the 90s, but while those ideas where considered "left wing" 30 years ago (at least in my country, I don't know how it is in or countries) now they're considered "right wing". My ideas haven't changed, only the context. For example, I believe businesses should take ONLY merit into consideration when hiring somebody, not race or sex - this was a left wing idea some decades ago, now it's considered a racist dogwhistle. Likewise, I thought and still think that economic condition trumps everything else when it comes to someone's place in society, race and sex are secondary - again, progressive some years ago, "old school communist" and "white male privileged" nowadays. One more: universalism is a good thing and the only way to actually bridge the difference between different people, a left wing position some time ago but nowadays the left has adopted a neo-segregationist stance according to which different populations live in basically mutually impenetrable thought bubbles and you could not possibly comprehend another person's experience if you're a different race or sex (hence the focus on "allyship"). The left used to be staunchly anti globalism and some of us even got beaten to a pulp by the police protesting it (see what happened during the Genoa G8 meeting protests), now nobody on the left even knows about that and most "leftists" are economically undistinguishable from yesterday's neoliberals. It used to be that your outward appearance and your gender had nothing to do with another, a girl could be a tomboy and a man could be soft and you were still your gender and your way of expressing yourself was valid, you had a right to be yourself, nowadays if you aren't adhering to strict gender stereotypes you're basically considered a tranny in the waiting, and the measure of your gender is not what you actually are behind the appearance, but how you are recognized by other people ("passing").

I could go on and on, you get the idea.

>>24572634 (OP)
AO3 has a lolicon tag, and an underage rape tag. This is banned even on rule 34, but allowed on a tumblr-adjacent site somehow

>>24580526
>That's why monarchy/aristocracy is better for arts. There, the merit for success is impressing highly educated individuals
There are simply too many notes.

>>24581161
I do think that accusations of "pedophile" and "groomer" tend to be projection for both the Right AND the Left. It's clear there are serious problems with this sort of thing on both sides; you can see it from any objective analysis of the facts.

>>24572671
What is a conservative though. American conservative? Then they're mostly just capitalists who are tired of feeling bad when they see or hear things. They were never going to create anything, only work the rest of their lives.

Most of the artists throughout history were conservative in a different sense. They mostly worked for the church or king and would be quite far right compared to now for that.

>>24574706
There is no winning on either side for the arts. Unless you like the arts to be a whore mouth piece for power to rape, dribbling cum as it tries to support its benefactor by persuading you of something.

>>24582437
Is that image really necessary

>>245765731
"everyone who disagrees with me is stupid!"
are you 8 years old? you're as cattle as MAGA right wingers, baaa baaa

>>24581161
>>24578827
>>24577573
Ao3 seems like a fantastic place. If ever write fiction, i know the way to go.

Behold, the power of giga autism.

>>24572671
Their brain is too tiny. Their mind is too shallow.
If you are conservative, you are already practically part of the sheep to be led to their doomed ends, so its obvious they wont be capable of creating any good art

>>24583001
Crossovers are bottom of the barrel shit only 12 year olds like. They are lower than self insert, which is already pretty irredeemable outside of carnal needs (smut and wish fulfillment.) Crossovers are retarded character bloated trash somehow more cringy than self insert. Like, one series isn't enough? You are so starved of dopamine you have to have multiple at once like a fucking ipad toddler double fisting screens?

>>24579499
Holy shit, not everything fits inside a 21st century spectrum.
The Founders were:
1. Racists. (based)
2. Imperialists. (based)
3. Believed that their system of government worked with a people worthy enough for it, not some gay universal democracy that everyone should have for all time. (true)
4. Did not believe in modern libertarian faggotry that the Republican party preaches. (invented by 20th century jews)
5. Restricted and regulated voting rights. (no women or niggers)
6. Allowed and were bolstered by traditional institutions, such as churches and universities. (compare eurofags in constant estate power struggles).
The US was a prototypical nation-state where the definitive interest was ethno-national, while Europe would still picket apart entire peoples for the sake of class-based power. Frankly, the nobility had it coming.
And hence, the Founders created one of the most stable and continuous governments ever. Only England has a comparable venerability in the whole world.
It wasn't until WW2 and the postwar cultural revolution that this changed.

>>24583024
>ah yes, you need a large brain and deep mind to appreciate art such as this

>>24583141
Mocking something because it looks ridiculous on its face is a sign of low intelligence and ignorance, since you either don't know or don't care to investigate the opinions of other observers.

>>24577573
>cock & ball torture
>nipple torture
>cold showers
fucking kek

>>24583001
Woman are scary

>>24583507
>Woman are scary
did you realize this before or after watching a stream with none of them crying any tears when you are forced to gun down your own soldiers during the MGS V parasite outbreak on motherbase? i'm sure most of their emotions are fake unless it affects them personally like not receiving something they wanted.

>>24578643
Where did it say Conservative ideology must apply to everything? Democrats don't care for white workers either. You will realize soon enough that you are retarded. The panthers were right about you.

>>24579167
>>24579116
absolute nonsense, the answer is trivial. women hate each other and seeing hot dude fucking another girl that is not exactly as the female reader triggers anxiety and anger in them. got nothing to do with dopamine

>>24583518
I realised that because of my mother

>>24583536
Will women ever not fuck up their sons mentally? I don't even remember the beltings dad gave me when I broke his shit. But the insults of my mom still cause me pain.

>>24583539
The motherly figure is meant to give comfort and care, the father is seen even by little kids as a far more distant and even menacing authority figure. If a mother can't have empathy for her own kids it really fucks their perception of reality because that's one's main source of comfort growing up

>>24572644
are you claiming that fanfiction is "intellectual"?
fucking retard

>>24583604
To be honest it's definitly more, if not intellectual than at least artistically inclined, than whatever the right is doing rn

>>24583611
it's as artistically inclined as shitting on a canvas
the consuming and production of slop actively makes you a lesser person - garbage in, garbage out

Wasn't Dante's inferno fanfiction?

>>24580289
>people I don't like are leftists

I was worried this thread was going to be full of liberals out to teabag us chuds, and although there's some of that, I'm glad that's the minority here.
Anyway: it depends on the fandom, I believe.
Narnia and LotR/Silmarillion were written by Christians. The fandom is going to tilt Christian too, or at least Christ-curious (I know Jews who like Tolkien). So their fics aren't going to be degenerate.
Take the subversion of Narnia which was {{Lev Grossman}}'s Fillory/The Magicians. That fandom is near-entirely yaoi.

As to how we fix the problem of fanfic being so degenerate-dominant - the Inklings once existed. Maybe chuds should band together to produce chud art. We can review each other's work. We don't have to do the Howard / Smith / Lovecraft thing of sharing a mythos (e.g. Tolkien didn't want anything to do with Narnia) but we can at least support each other if there's honest talent.

>>24583629
Of what, though? I assume there's some vague parallel between the Divine Comedy and late-mediaeval philosophy, but Dante wrote a lot of his own stuff.
Milton on the other hand basically redid Syncellus' summary of 1 Enoch 1-36.

>>24577577
Noodlehammer's "For The Love of Magic" did apparently once exist. Brave search only throws up the reddit poast harrumphing against it.
Its influence on the fandom mainly seems to be the runic system of magic.
The man is still on ff.net writing stuff:
https://www.fanfiction.net/u/5241558/Noodlehammer

I am sorry to say this, and I'm not trying to be mean because they are very nice people, but most normie conservatives have extremely boring taste. All they read is Jordan Peterson slop.
I am not speaking of the far right/alt right or whatever you call it. That's a very different type of person and they usually have much more interesting taste. I am speaking here of just the average normie conservative.

>>24583857
[samefag] found FLoM:
https://archiveofourown.org/works/36413899/chapters/90790906

>>24583872
true desu

I feel guilty about reading fanfiction (because it's not "real literature") but honestly man fanfiction has so much more SOUL than most commercially published books. Most people write better when they're given constraints / a world to work with.

>>24584731
I love fanfiction. I think you would feel better if you were more worried about your experiences with something rather than public perception of it.

>>24584753
Shame is public perception, not guilt.

>>24584843
Theres a study detailing how a majority of innocent people can be compelled by pressure to admit guilt to circumstances they were not a part of. But I won't reply again, my bad.

>>24584731
>yeah believe me anon fanfics have way more soul than amazon corpo slops
>you just need to find that one fic among an ocean of trash

>>24585679
Since the thread has stayed up for so long, it seems the mods have relaxed their rules on fanfic discussion. So maybe we can post recommendations?

>>24585702
Fallout:Equestria is the greatest i've read.

>>24585708
Man the Horse Show had a pretty bizarrely incredible stable of great fanfics, didn't it? You wouldn't have thought so, but some of those fics were great.

>>24585715
I think passion is a good part of what makes good art, and it has a passionate base. I don't care if people like such or not, but i cringe at criticism of anything when they don't feel passionate about anything themselves artistically.

>>24585733
In addition to the Horse Show, the fandoms I've read the biggest amount of good fanfics from are Avatar: The Last Airbender and Neon Genesis Evangelion. They have passionate fanbases too, and, like at least early Horse Show, the shows themselves are interesting and have good characters. So good writers have a lot to work with for fic material.

I don't write fanfic but I have some original pedo erotica up on there. Check it out
https://archiveofourown.org/series/4868329

>>24585755
Hell, if we're self-promoting, here's my page:

https://archiveofourown.org/users/Second_Harrier

Only two stories, both of them reposts from my FF.net account. I'm pretty proud of that Highschool of the Dead fanfic, it's the last major thing I wrote before I basically abandoned fanfiction to focus on my original fiction and poetry.

>>24572634 (OP)
>liberals conservatives left right left right libs libs trump
Amerimutt thread.

>>24577210
>he doesn't know about Marxist christians
lmfao seppo education

>>24580295
Most of the worshippers of the Greek gods I've met have been some stripe of LGBT, and they're interested in reading the primary texts of their religion for obvious reasons. It's also well-known that if you know a lot about Greek mythology you're probably queer.

>>24572634 (OP)
Maga retards can’t write fan fiction if they’re playing video games and watching YouTube.

>>24580295
I follow many Tumblrites who do shit like learn Ancient Greek and read Platonic apocrypha and try to figure out which parts of Lucretius's physics and methodology do and don't hold up
Conservatives are more likely to equate intellectualism with that stuff in particular but they don't have an exclusive claim to it

>>24586610
and let's not forget

Achilles/patroclus is a highly popular gay ship there, and it's clear that in many of the stories, the author self-inserts as briseis

https://archiveofourown.org/works/68105616

>>24585755
>>24585898
Based. Will check out. Ao3 is my favorite place on the internet.

I genuinely believe that people around me cannot even conceive how starved for female affection I am. There's lonely, and then there's me.

>>24587920
I stopped caring after 22

>>24572671
"pushing the envelope" is what it means to be progressive, that shit sells. To reaffirm beliefs is to be right wing, but when you live in a patchwork society then values are too scattered.

It's easier to break fences then to mend them. That's why there's "more" liberal art, because all they need to say is destructive ideas against society, norms, culture and history. That shit is simple. It's far more difficult to define and create works that appreciate history, culture, values and tell a story alongside it.
It's so simple for a hack to write a "fuck Christians, fuck America" in between her SNL monologue.

At the end of the day, Left wing art is only ever subversive, never constructive. And when they have subverted literally everything where even the concept of women is dismantled til they can't answer concretely, then everyone realizes they offer nothing to build off of. The left is destruction plain and simple. They only offer "what not to do" but they never offer words of what to do.

Now is the time where people start offering directions of where to go. And the left will become the next conservatives, who will cry about any change against what they have accomplished.

>>24576456
I'm 28, is it too late to get into IT tech and help boomers with tech problems?

I post my original fiction on there cause I like the site. Working on my third novel (a sequel to my first) right now.

>>24588577
Post the link coward

>>24579329
Anon, no. Your idea sucks.

>>24585898
Rei didn't deserve to die and Shizuka was evil for killing her. That was murder.

For Love of Magic by Noodlehammer is probably like the only right wing fic I can remember. It’s a Harry Potter fic. I got into a bit of it but Harry is basically a gigachad the entire time.

>>24585708

I like Project Horizons better than the original. Also I would say my favorite in that fandom is Austaeoh series even though it’s unfinished forever. It has that sense of adventure to it and the non canon characters are actually fairly interesting.

>>24588757
It's https://archiveofourown.org/users/hypnoticwinter

I usually post about it here anyway whenever I finish a novel

>>24572634 (OP)
Guys, that's not the actual AO3 logo, is it? I must have spent too much time on pol, cause all I see is the happy merchant.

>>24583507
>this is probably the sickest fanfic ever for this fandom
I don't know about 40k specifically but those tags are pretty fucking tame for porn fanworks standards.

>>24588818
I know, but I can't help it. I feel like Nasu and Grrm are raping my mind into writing it. I think I've come up with some interesting concepts that fit both franchises and could work together. And the image of Robb, a berserker, with Grey Wind's head sewn around his neck in the Fourth War won't leave my head. As does the idea of Stannis as some sort of rival to Gilgamesh, since they're both kings and polar opposites. Or how the whole thing functions as a continuation of Jon's dilemmas and arcs at the end of ADWD. It just works, and I've come too far to give up. I already know who wins the Fourth War and their wish, Roose's ending, Ramsey's ending, and I even made Jon a Noble Phhastam that reflects his character's conflicts and virtues. I even went so far as to draw parallels between Kiritsugu and Jon.

"What is going on, Snape?" demanded to know Bellatrix, looking between him and the Malfoys with a suspicious frown. "My sister would never willingly come to visit me, and you would never dare drug-"

"Lucius lost a giant and failed to protect his men in Yorkshire," cut her off Severus. "Until such time as our Lord feels ready to forgive his failure, he will be cut off from Headquarters and separated from his family. Lucius is grounded, basically," he sneered. "He won't even be allowed to know the new locking charm when I change it."

Bellatrix's suspicion was quickly replaced by evil excitement, a malicious smirk appearing on her face as she fixed her crazy eyes on Lucius.

"Not so cocky now, are you?" she mocked him, as usual deriving much too much pleasure from the disgrace and degradation of a fellow Death Eater. "You screwed up so badly that a half-blood can get away with drugging you precious pureblood heir! And you thought Snape was your friend? He was who decided your punishment, the Dark Lord didn't even know that Cissy and the brat were coming to stay here!"

Lucius pressed his lips in a tight line and scowled at Bellatrix, but when his eyes met Severus' there was only gratefulness in them. It was humiliating for a high-ranked Death Eater to be cut off from Headquarters and to be deprived of his woman as punishment for his failure, but he could recover from that, while if Bellatrix and Rosier knew that Lucius was actually being punished for disloyalty they would never trust nor respect him again.

"Only the high command is authorized to know about this," warned Severus, fixing a stern look on Bellatrix, "to everyone else Narcissa is just visiting with Draco while Lucius is busy elsewhere."

Bellatrix nodded in understanding and compliance, still sneering derisively at her brother-in-law. It really was odd and extremely satisfying to have her obeying his commands without question nor insults, it almost made Severus want to fuck her hard to see just how docile and submissive he could render her. The thought of chaining and collaring the nasty bitch, forcing her to swallow his filthy cum or planting a half-blood bastard in her arrogant pureblood womb made his cock drip and pulse with evil anticipation.

Severus looked away and firmly pushed his dark fantasies from his mind. He was beginning to understand Bellatrix's appeal to the Dark Lord, but it would be dangerous to so much as be caught staring lasciviously at the witch, not the least because his master might decide to share her with him and Severus would be unable to refuse.

>>24579329
Do your best

>>24583507
Dead Dove has all the good shit. Sometimes I hate my life so much I just want to read about someone getting whumped and tortured and raped and wish it was me.

>maladaptive daydreaming addict
>decide to overcome the cringe and write one of them down into fic form
>self indulgent self insert full of smut and angst
>MC is just literally me, romancing and fucking my fictional crush for 50k words
>put it online
>frens give me nice comments and tell me they enjoyed it
I love fanfiction.

Fanfiction is fun but I’ve come to feel that it makes you a worse writer

>>24572634 (OP)
They do though, you're just in the wrong communities

>>24591116
This. I still write fanfic as a hobby but writing an actual story of your own is a different beast. Both are enjoyable though.

>>24574638
Also M/M gets millions of hits so you just have to accept that some communities are just more focused on that shit than others so the type of person to click on your story is different than the usual readers. But again its heavily segregated based on the community/fandom you're writing for

>>24572649
>Maybe i'll give it a try, sounds really fun.
It is really fun when you're putting some dumb idea you had in your head of your favorite characters doing something or writing your head canon.

>>24591116
>>24591128
I think it's fine to start with fanfiction but if you want to be a big-boy writer you've got to outgrow it. It's inevitable you'll outgrow it, really, if you've got the makings of a "real" writer.

>>24575246
>conservatives
Dound your problem.
>conservatives
>libertarian
Artificial categories

A(ryan)O3

It's so funny that the ACTUAL best fanfiction site on the internet, in terms of functionality, is FIMFiction. The Horsefuckers really do have the best of everything, it's insane how much weaponized autism was in that fandom.

>>24593082
hard work beats talent when talent doesnt work hard talent beats hard work when hard work has no talent

>>24591891
95 percent of those are white women though.

Did the bot comment situation get worse?

>>24593082
>The Horsefuckers really do have the best of everything,
Its basically Touhou but for westerners

>>24593092
youll find more men in certain fandoms though. still a lot of women but the vibes are different when theres more guys around.

>>24593115
>Did the bot comment situation get worse?
What's wrong anon?
You don't like it when a reader praises your work as the bestest and asks for your information so that they can illustrate your characters and scenes?

>>24593373
I'm 90% sure the bots are run by pajeets and they may not even be AI based because I got a bot comment a bit ago that read like it was typed by a pajeet IT recruiter. Saar I completed the reading of your story saar

>>24593115
>Its basically Touhou but for westerners
>/jp/ was created primarily to get Touhou content off of /a/

Wait a minute. Is /jp/ just /a/'s version of /mlp/?

>>24593115
Women like rape. Like, they write a LOT of shit about Chad giving them his dick whether or not they ask for it (but they always want it).
Men are overrepresented in dubcon where the woman is dominant and usually taller, sometimes anthro (=furry).
Simple biology accounts for the difference, I mean, if the man isn't into it then he's not getting laid. The best she can do is torture him, and neither men nor women are much into that (asstr's been mentioned, so, yeah, some of it exists, but not a lot).

I do notice that both men and women who get into reading romantic escapism slide into the dubcon rabbit hole.

I'm a chud, and I write 1,000 words a day nearly every day in the evening after laboring in a shitty blue collar trade all say, on my $25 used laptop that only has a command line terminal, vi, dict, wordnet, wikipedia2text installed. I'm not really around anyone who'd I'd need to hide my chuddishness from in my day-to-day life, since I'm a bottom rung white trash scumbag, but I try not to let it color my writing too much. I'm not interested in fighting culture wars, only describing things through the lens through which I view them. I've never shared or published anything, and when I'm dead nobody will be able to figure out how to log into my Debian machine to find my work.

>>24593451
I also can't write very good as evidenced by this post. I am phone posting though with a busted screen I can barely make out with the hell I'm writing here. Partisans and activists need not worry-- my work will die with me

As long as we're allowed to post recommendations, here, check this one out:

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/3387336/1/Never-After

This is a Legend Of Zelda: Twilight Princess fanfic that is one of my favorite fics ever, probably actually one of my favorite pieces of fiction period, fan or otherwise. It's one of the only pieces of literature I've ever encountered that makes extensive use of tastes and smells as descriptors, especially of things that aren't food. At one point in the fic a character notes that they can "taste the tang of magic" and that descriptor has stuck in my head for years because it's just so good.

Also, Link doesn't talk much in this fic, which is really cool and makes it feel like a real Zelda story.

Unfortunately, it's unfinished, and has been for more than a decade at this point.

>>24593464
>Unfortunately, it's unfinished, and has been for more than a decade at this point.
Anon, I'm going to let you in on a secret that was unlocked in the past 4 years.

All those unfinished fics you read and left you blueballed ever since?

You can copy and paste them into ChatGPT or Claude AI and you can continue the story where it left off so you can get some closure. Im very embarrassed to admit I do this but it is what it is.

>>24593433
Fictional rape/dubcon is appealing because it springboards you into the action while also absolving you of any responsibility for the sex, which could lead to feelings of guilt or shame. As opposed to real life rape which is just violence and is probably with someone disgusting and unwanted. Women enjoy fictionalized rape because they've lived in a society that has told them for hundreds of years to be ashamed of their sexual desires.

>>24593549
>which could lead to feelings of guilt or shame
Is there an explanation for this?

>>24594519
two centuries of abrahamic dominance

>>24594561
millennia i mean. typo

>>24572634 (OP)
>>24572644
rightoids lack the imagination, expressiveness, and emotional intelligence required to resonate with an audience artistically, and opening your mind up in these ways automatically sets you on the path to leftism

I think it's really funny when fanfics get to pretend to be "real literature" and the wider world actually goes along with it.

Pic related. This is a Jane Eyre fanfic, but we're supposed to treat it like serious literature.

>>24595691
Is it bad because it's fanfic or is it bad for some other reason?

>>24593419
It didn't used to be, but it became so. especially after hololive

>>24595691
i dont think ive ever met anyone that believes fanfics are real literature my nigga

>>24595691
Here's the problem I have with fanfics getting published with the serial number filed off. Good fanfic is impossible to namescrub and publish because it's so intertwined with the original work that it can't be separated. Only shitty fanfic is able to get namescrubbed.

>>24596488
Isn't Twilight based off some batman fanfiction or was that shades of grey?

>>24572653
>incest erotica
There is a plethora of it on AO3, but it’s all under the m/m tag and under a ship name. It won’t be tagged, “incest.” As this is a fandom site first and foremost, the search archiving system is based off that. There is a whole online culture dedicated to this website.

>>24596496
Fifty Shades of Grey used to be a Twilight fanfic, the author changed the names.

>>24595691
>In 1919, Rhys married Willem Johan Marie (Jean) Lenglet, a French-Dutch journalist, spy, and songwriter. He was the first of her three husbands.

>The next year, Rhys married Leslie Tilden-Smith, an English agent and editor.[citation needed] In 1936, they went briefly to Dominica, the first time Rhys had returned since she had left for school. Her brother Owen was living in England, and she took care of some financial affairs for him, making a settlement with a mixed-race woman on the island and Owen's illegitimate children by her.[citation needed]The visit exerted a powerful influence on Rhys's most famous novel, Wide Sargasso Sea.

>In 1937, Rhys began a friendship with novelist Eliot Bliss (who had adopted that first name in honour of an admired writer). The two women shared Caribbean backgrounds. The correspondence between them survives.[7] Rhys also became close to Phyllis Shand Allfree, whose family also lived in Dominica.

>Rhys and Tilden-Smith lived in London through World War II, while Rhys agonised over the possible fate of her daughter, living in Amsterdam. (Maryvonne had joined the Dutch Resistance and married a fellow fighter against Fascism) Tilden-Smith died in 1945. In 1947, Rhys married Max Hamer, a solicitor who was a cousin of Tilden-Smith.

>They settled in 1960, in a cottage in Cheriton Fitzpaine, purchased for Rhys by her oldest brother, Edward. Max Hamer died in 1966, the year in which Wide Sargasso Sea began a remarkable change in Rhys' fortunes.[8]

It must be so fucking nice to be a woman and get literally everything in life for free without having to lift a finger.

>>24586422
bullshit. lefties consider western canon male pale and stale

>>24596740
They just heard Greeks are gay so they get into it and make retarded feminist/gay interpretations of everything. There are gender swaps, female retellings, everyone buttfucks each other and is a horny Tumblr retard, etc. You practically can't touch the theme in literature or comics anymore unless you go with the most idiotic and pathetic gay/feminazi tropes that exist.

>>24596747
you are talking to some weird lefties most are predictably anti-intellectual

>>24596747
Get off tumblr and none of that exists

>>24596861
>get off social media
More and more need to do this.

>>24595691
Paradise Lost and the Aeneid aren't real literature, got it.

>>24596861
You're a complete retard. Read any book or comic book made about Greeks, or play a video game like Hades where they made everyone gay, no one is on fucking Tumblr.

https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/152077.Feminist_Retellings_Of_Greek_Myths
https://booktrib.com/2023/05/08/13-novels-that-reclaim-the-stories-of-the-women-of-greek-mythology/

>>24572644
delusional

>>24572634 (OP)
I think I might be the first somewhat right-leaning guy to give fanfiction a try honestly, even if I am more centrist-y.
Unfortunately I quickly realized how much of an undertaking it is
>Stop writing my historical fiction/historical fantasy work, because I got overwhelmed with research and realized that I was scrapping drafts for thousands of times and getting zero practice on my actual WRITING ability because I was focusing on being 100% historically accurate
>Decide to write a fanfic based on a video game IP
>Fast forward to a year later
>358 pages and 200,000+ words on my second draft
>This is only meant to be Part 1 of a trilogy
>I keep coming up with more and more fucking sequels/spin-offs in my head too
>I keep coming back to rewrite certain passages and most of the blander sounding parts to make it sound better
>I still haven't published anything
I am never going to finish this, aren't I?

>>24597653
Are you having fun? If you are, that's all that matters.

>>24597656
True.
I am being slightly hyperbolic with my frustration, I do find it less frustrating than I do drawing or any other skill/hobby I pursue since the gains are a lot easier/faster.
But still, I do wish I could at least complete one project in my lifetime.
But overall, I am having fun, so that's more crucial than anything else. It's better than with drawing where my moments of frustration removes any fun I have, whereas with writing this fic, I don't feel as frustrated because it is a silly fanfic even if I am getting very ambitious about it, the silliness makes it easier to have more genuine fun than if I did something far more serious where the self-doubt and anger would seep in.
But on the bright side, I am progressing with both, so that is good.

>>24578659
Nice opinions, Anon. Do you have any that weren't given to you by drug addicts on twitter?

>>24572813
>it's teh joos fault I'm a retarded burnout
we're reaching levels of Cope previously thought to be impossible

>>24597735
>>24597731
Retarded troll.

Be honest: who else here was on Fanfiction.net back in the day?

I feel like the quality of story there was, and still is, superior to what you typically find on AO3. Mostly because even at their worst I always felt like FF fanfics were still trying to, you know, tell a story, whereas on AO3 it feels like a lot of fics are thinly-veiled therapy sessions for the author to work out this or that sexual/gender frustration.

>>24597736
cope, sneed, mald. no tolerance for drug addicts.

>>24572634 (OP)
the average chud doesnt even read books

>>24597974
KEK TRUE. FFN had more interesting stories but AO3 is shippers paradise.

love pedo fics

>>24597735
No I quite clearly specified several groups, peculier that you highlighted the jews.

>>24593451
Why don't you upload your work? What do you write about? You don't sound too good, mentally I mean.

>>24597974
I was on FFN when I was 12-16 and I can affirm what I wrote was utter dogshit. AO3 has better work, you just have nostalgia glasses. FFN was notorious for very young users.
>therapy sessions
Yeah this is common but it isn't an AO3 thing, it's a modern writer thing.

>>24599264
isn't all the young'uns on wattpad now?

>>24597653
Such is the woe of fanfic writers.
You love writing the cool, fun or interesting scenes to change, expand or twist canon but stuck writing the buildup and fillers leading up to them.

>>24599265
Yes, and it's worse than you think. Back in the day we pretended to be adults and didn't shy away from sex or mature themes. Now the kids are puriteen crusaders out to destoy anything even slightly "problematic"... such as 2 year age gaps and heterosexuality. these kids now are crazy. just worthless little cunts.

>>24599302
Speak for yourself, my plots are flawless. (not that anon). Fanfic is so easy to pump out that you get a clear vision on the math behind what makes story structures work. I say math in the way of there being patterns to the structure like the 5 arc model, but it's a lot more nuanced than that and you can only get a feel for how you structure your stories best by writing a number of novels. Fanfic lets you cut out the research and background stuff and just focus on making functional stories that are appealing and finishing them with a satisfying resolution. great practice.

>>24589483
Im surprised there aren't that many turbo sadist 40k fanfics out there. The whole point of the setting is to put your OCs on top of it and make /yourdudes/ and given that work's nature im surprised I don't see stuff like that more often. Im oretty sure the girl who wrote that fic pretended to be a femboy for internet attention or something along those lines

>>24599265
Wattpad is such dog shit. It feels like every story there is written by underaged drug addicts.

>>24583258
It’s a toilet you retard. I could get another from a hardware store and replace it and you wouldn’t even know the difference. Toilets and box fans are not art, despite what faggots like you say to the contrary.

>>24599302
You hit the nail right in the head. Or sometimes I outright have difficulty describing some of the fun action scenes, but it's mostly the buildup and filler. So much so that I have a shitload of [Placeholders] all over it. It's the reason why I am still on Part 1 and not Part 2, especially since a lot of the characterization hinges on on the filler

>>24599426
The funny thing is, it is the same thing I am doing (especially the part about using fanfics as practice, that's pretty much why I chose to start with this), and I am following a five arc structure per book. But the tricky thing is nailing some minor details and characterization that I want to flesh out more. I leave a lot of placeholders, sure, but there's no telling WHEN that characterization ends up impacting the story later, especially since I chose to separate the entire story into a trilogy so it's not bloated as shit and actually follows the arcs cohesively.
Also my grasp of vocabulary can be iffy at times, I don't want to write in purple prose like some people do, but I definitely do need to add more flavor to some scenes, as some scenes are just written in a way that's way too bland.

>>24572634 (OP)
Personally I just had all my writings in pastebins, and never bothered to migrate them after the purge because ao3 was full of liberals and trannies.

>>24600099
honestly you might as well just post them all there. You can literally post whatever you want and all the users can do is bitch and moan.

>>24595020
>homosexual posting bait on /lit/ again
Show your blown-out pozhole, degenerate

>>24583258
>try to communicate
>fail
>it's the receiver's fault

>>24583258
>the opinions of other observers
all observers are entitled to an opinion. as an observer, my opinion is that this is retarded low-effort trash. you hate that I voice this opinion because you're a fart-huffing faggot.

>>24598286
It's not their fault that you're a retarded burnout either. You're such a dumb cunt that you can't even spell "peculiar" and you want people to pretend that you're uneducated by choice?
Fucking embarrassing, Anon.

>>24583141
>>24600322
>still getting filtered by Fountain in the Currentest Year That Ever Yeared
it's ok to be retarded, Anon. you don't have to get so upset, it's not your fault, you were just born with a few deficiencies.

>>24572634 (OP)
The same reason most net fandoms in general are consistent of troons, women, feminine men and such. Fandom culture is just a feminine, childish, gossipy, autistic thing. There are chud anime and cartoon fans of course but they end up in the quarantined chud zone of 4chan.

>>24600489
>chud
I will never be able to shake the image of some snivelling bunkerchan faggot whenever I see someone try to use this.

>>24597735
>Jews haven’t done anything to you!
Lie all you want rabbi but we see your little games.

>>24600456
>Currentest Year That Ever Yeared
You’re a fucking faggot dude

i have read hundreds if not a couple thousand of pages of hmofa smut

>>24595691
For me its Beautiful Little Fools

>>24595844
Sequels to an older work from the perspective of the baddie are an ancient phenomenon
Check out the Lady of Belmont

>>24586414
No one cares about your cherry picked queers

>>24597974
FF and Ao3 both kinda have their pros and cons.
I feel that while a large amount of FF fics were VERY poorly written, you're quite right that they still felt like trying to tell stories or adventures. But it also had an absolute piss-poor tagging system that made it hard to search certain stories compared to Ao3.
Ao3 on the other hand has a better tagging system and arguably more "quality" writers but with the downside that a lot of the subject matter is uninteresting or just sociological/identity politics or just unhinged sexual fantasies.
Either way, most of the authors I follow cross-post between both Ao3 and FF, so that's at least a good thing.

>>24599265
Wattpad is absolute trite. I've never seen a single good story on Wattpad.

>>24590387
Thanks man, I recently decided who the servants will be that will participate in the Fifth Grail War (Saber/Jon, Archer/Faceless Arya, Caster/Lady Stoneheart and Melisandre as a duo and the rest of the servants remain the same as the fate canon for now). The short version of what I want to do is that the fourth war is a sort of continuation of the conflicts that were in the northern plot that takes place in ADWD combined with those of the Fate universe, more than anything what I wanted to do with this story is for it to be a parallel to the conflicts that Jon had as a character in the last book but this time as a saber servant and that is why I chose to make some of the enemy servants important characters in the northern plot (Roose/assassin, ramsay/caster and stannis/rider). What I mean by the Fourth War is a parallel to Jon Snow's conflicts as a character is that once summoned, he sees the Holy War as an opportunity to correct his mistakes and save everyone now that he has a new opportunity alongside a master that he considers worthy (a figure to follow and learn from as he did with Ned, Mormont, Qhorin, Mance, Stannis, etc.) and with the same ideals and goals (this is what Jon and Kiritsugu think at first but later both will see that they are wrong because the biggest difference between them that breaks any resemblance between them is that when Kiritsugu had to choose between love and duty he always chose the second even if it destroyed him while Jon puts all his duties/vows/honor/ideals at risk and in the end betrays them in exchange for the possibility of rescuing Arya for love) and this is why his story will end in tragedy and with him breaking his vows but this time as a Servant instead of Lord Commander of the Watch by choosing love over duty again before the corrupted Grail of Fate Zero, betraying Kirtsugu and any ideals they had in common when he has a schizophrenic moment and asks in front of the grail to return Arya to him, causing the tragedy of Fuyuki and Arya being reincarnated and taking Shirou's role and later summoning Jon as Saber back in the Fifth War

>>24601628
What I'm not sure about yet is if I want to make Jon's love for Arya platonic/brotherly or if I decide to take some clues that GRRM gives in the books that Jon feels more for Arya than what is socially allowed, this is evidenced by how the only woman he loves romantically in the books, Ygritte, is constantly compared to Arya by him positively and how the rest of the women he is attracted to reflect qualities that he loves about Arya and how he decides to abandon his post as a guard to save her, something he didn't do for anyone else and sometimes has suspicious thoughts about her like the moment he gets schizophrenic with the pink letter "I want my bride back... I want my bride back... I want my bride back..." or when he is asked by Ygritte if he would sleep with his sister and instead of denying it he dodges the question: "She punched him “That's vile. Would you bed your sister?”
“Longspear is not your brother.” Or when he compares her to his heart “What do you know of my heart, priestess? What do you know of my sister?” and considers himself Arya’s home “Bring her home, Mance. I saved your son from Melisandre, and now I am about to save four thousand of your free folk. You owe me this one little girl.” etc. This takes on more weight after reading George’s original manuscript about their romance and seeing that there are many things that still remain.

>>24601684
While I'm not a shipper, the idea of a schizophrenic Jon confronting the corrupted grail and claiming "I want my bride back..." as his wish goes surprisingly well, so I'm leaning more toward the second option.

>>24577210
>His Christianity still places him on the right.
He was a christian anarchist and didn't believe in state violence and coercion and law enforcement. He was literally far left.

Isn't Flashman fanfic?

>>24597974
I remember there was another website for just harry potter fanfiction

>>24600684
Who is this Wayawolf77 that I should trust him, when even I know that John Money was Anglo?
>>24599264
>>24599265
Ao3's problem is that its mainly just porn; I wanted to find a cool alternative way for comic books and shows to end as a kid and was so disappointed

>>24596930
The sad part is that there's probably interesting tales to be told from the POV of ancient women; they are kind of the ultimate underdogs. But most of these are just griping

>>24583524
I don't like this guy because he was racist as fuck but he knew the White liberal well; he just didn't realize that they also do this to Hispanics, East Asians, West Asians, Jews, Indigenous people etc
It was one of my painful realizations in college as a mutt that the liberals who LARPed as my friend only wanted a token

>>24572647
most of the greatest writers of the past 2 centuries have been chuds THOUGH

>>24603379
>Ao3's problem is that its mainly just porn; I wanted to find a cool alternative way for comic books and shows to end as a kid and was so disappointed

To this day I think FF.net is the superior site for that, as old and creaky as it is. It seems to have way less fics than AO3 that are just porn.

>>24603379
>Ao3's problem is that its mainly just porn;
Ridiculously false. It's like 30% porn. They have what you want (fix it fics) by the truckload.

>>24603379
NTA but a lot of that stuff is searchable, some of it isn’t even hard to find. Hell the FBI/ADL collaboration isn’t even a secret, it’s something both entities proudly declare on their websites.
https://www.fbi.gov/news/speeches-and-testimony/the-fbi-and-the-adl-working-together-to-fight-hate

I'm curious how the dichotomy that shipping is a left-tranny domain while power scaling is a dudebro-chud domain came into being

>>24605982
The same reason why romance as a genre is arbitrarily marketed towards girls, and action as a genre is arbitrarily marketed towards boys. People are raised on it, practically groomed for it so to speak.

>>24576678
>conflating 20th Soviet zeitgeist with 19th century Russian ideologies
Shut the fuck up, Stalin, go try and use your shitty note-filled prints of Tolstoy and Dostoevsky with more coping mechanisms. Goddamn, /lit/'s really turned retarded over the years

it honestly feels weird sometimes when you know the people reading your shit are all white women and you know that in reality you're a massive chud that would repulse these people if they knew who you really were.

>>24606107
>you can groom intrinsic nature.
The shitheads have been pushing this narative for a while now but even female chimps prefer dolls while young male chimps prefer trains

>>24605982
I am a hero who pursues strength honor and loyalty and also pay for japanese eroge vns too controversial to be translated into english.

>>24607639
Something like 30% of readers are actually male. Depends what fandom obviously.

>>24608447
right now im writing for a western canon classic. Im not going to say which, but you can just tell the audience is all white women and that i really dont belond but i stick around anyway

Ahem.
ANY FANFIC WITH HARRY POTTER/PERCY JACKSON OR NARUTO/ICHIGO/LUFFY AS THE OP!GODLIKE!GRAY!MC WITH A HAREM IS COMPLETE TRASH
Change my mind.

>>24607664
>too controversial to be translated into english.
>tags:love, handholding, childhoodfriends, vanilla

>>24608545
Not very familiar with the genre but The Game of Champions might be about halfway toward this while still inexplicably being good fiction

>>24595691
So, is American publishing going the route of syosetu > light novel?

>>24572634 (OP)
the secret is that the chuds are trannies when your not looking. you this site is at least superficiality anonymous, most chuds are bc behind the keybord is a cross dressing faggot who is projecting their insecurities. real "manly men" chuds are boomers who cant even use a PC let alone solve the capta to post on 4chan.