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Anonymous No.24573311 >>24573340 >>24573696 >>24573809 >>24573893 >>24573935 >>24573940 >>24573971 >>24574090 >>24574100 >>24575012 >>24575238 >>24575337 >>24576048 >>24577156 >>24577711 >>24577880 >>24578511 >>24578531
Do you realize it's impossible to write a modern novel where characters use social media, smartphones and various apps in their daily lives, in and out of the corporate workplace and make it even remotely interesting? You cannot make a novel in a modern setting unless it's an extreme one - power out, mountain (starlink lol), expedition of some sort, war...
Anonymous No.24573340 >>24573809 >>24574296
>>24573311 (OP)
R.I.P. the Novel (1605 - 1996).

Now we return to the eternal art of poetry, which never really left us.
Anonymous No.24573444
Which ones did you read? I liked My Phantoms which has a touching scene of a mother and daughter watching the uber get closer
Anonymous No.24573696
>>24573311 (OP)
You don't have to mention any of that stuff.
Anonymous No.24573809 >>24573833 >>24573842 >>24574107 >>24574147 >>24574268 >>24574371 >>24574477 >>24574999 >>24575337 >>24575349 >>24575384 >>24577689 >>24577862
>>24573311 (OP)
>>24573340
You stole this from me.
>This is a very interesting thread for me because I've been saying prose fiction is dead for awhile, I even intended to write a legitimate essay about it and get it published. Basically what I would posit is that the novel was a phase, whereas poetry is eternal. The ability for stories to be told on a screen has supplanted a lot of prose fiction's power, in the past it was the only option. This is especially the case as we increasingly become cyborgs and so much of our time is spent online. How are you supposed to realistically convey a day in the average person's life when it consists of gooning on X and updooting on reddit? In the past the novel could show conversations over a distance very eloquently, because people wrote very literate letters to each other. Now the average person is a subhuman who sends a string of emojis or reaction gifs. It's very easy for a camera to show a phone or computer screen, but a writer sounds retarded if they have to say "Jayden sent five fire emojis with one laughingcrying emoji and added 'Fr bruh'." But at the same time if you don't show the digital part of a person's life, which these days is like 85% of it, you're simply conceding that you're not capable of rendering a full picture. The camera also has the advantage of focusing on exteriority, we can simply take it on faith that people are also online. Whereas the novel is primarily about interiority, if you're going to realistically show someone's thought processes you can't leave out that most of it relates to content they see on a screen. Beyond this, a screen is far more capable of achieving scope and kinetic effect. This is why any sword and sorcery slop can be elevated to legitimate cinema. You can read "Dany had a dragon that went woosh" or you can see the fucking dragon and hear it go woosh and go holy shit, that's a dragon. So both actual literature (which is interior) and genre fiction (more about action) are no longer capable of competing with stories on screen, which is not hampered by the need to translate the digital world into undignified description, while also outmatching words for kinetic effect. This is why modern novels, like Sally Rooney's, are increasingly spare in description and light in substance. People who grow up reading classic novels still dream of being novelists so that's what they try to do, unaware of the fact that it's over. The only way to write a legitimate novel anymore is for it to be Period, but once you concede that fact the question you have to ask is why even keep the medium alive at all. Just become a writer-director and do what you want.
This doesn't mean literature as a whole is over. Poetry preceded the novel and will still be here after. There is no medium that could replace it, whereas storytelling has a spectrum of options: novel, stage, screen. Literature will soon be exclusively poetry, and once again the pastime of a literate elite.
Anonymous No.24573833
>>24573809
The last bit is also part of the greentext, this piece of shit site won’t let me delete and repost, for no reason. Just to be clear.
Anonymous No.24573842 >>24576174
>>24573809
Have ALL my upvotes, you beautiful bastard!
Anonymous No.24573893 >>24573917 >>24573948 >>24573990
>>24573311 (OP)
>Do you realize it's impossible to write a modern novel where characters use social media, smartphones and various apps in their daily lives, in and out of the corporate workplace and make it even remotely interesting? You cannot make a novel in a modern setting unless it's an extreme one - power out, mountain (starlink lol), expedition of some sort, war...
You can still imply that people use apps and smartphones, just don't discuss it. Same reason why most novels don't talk about characters shitting and going into detail the length/softness/how sticky it is.
Anonymous No.24573917
>>24573893
Not the same at all doofus. Interactions take place in the digital world that affect daily lives. This is not equivalent to taking a shit. Dumbass.
Anonymous No.24573935 >>24573944
>>24573311 (OP)
DO NOT listen to claims for hollow vessels on 4chins when they make claims about current world-state. They do not what they are talking about. I work as a teacher and the kids are in fact more eloquent, by far, than my own (blackberry generation) was at the same age. Things are not ok by any means, but then again, they never were.
Anonymous No.24573940 >>24574147
>>24573311 (OP)
Yes because the world ended in 2012. Imagine a novel where someone scrolls through Tik Tok or watches YouTube videos. It's over.

Even sci-fi writers could never predict how boring tech was gonna be.
Anonymous No.24573944
>>24573935
You're a childlesspedophile diddling zoomer kids
Anonymous No.24573948
>>24573893
>world-defining technology is just like *basic human function*
Nigger kys...
Anonymous No.24573971 >>24574055
>>24573311 (OP)
>Do you realize it's impossible to write a modern novel where characters use social media, smartphones and various apps in their daily lives, in and out of the corporate workplace and make it even remotely interesting?
Skill issue
Anonymous No.24573990
>>24573893
This is correct, but retards thing they have to write about social media even when their story has nothing to do with it.
Anonymous No.24573996
niggas be like im finna read lit from some 20 y/o in the 2020s. niggas deep in that fent tho on my momma
Anonymous No.24574033 >>24574041
It was no cap a dark and stormy ass night, bruh. A nigga had just finished cashapping the plug , and was getting ready to goon vehemently on the hub. The rain was pouring, and I was sparking up; facing a blunt dolo. I would've preferred to share it with Stacy -the chick i met at the BLM rally- but she ghosted me after she learned I didn't vote for Biden and I wasn't, as she said, "BRAT".
It was going to be a long, dark night, fo shizzle.
Anonymous No.24574041
>>24574033
needs more AI dashes desu
Anonymous No.24574055
>>24573971
I would love to be proven wrong.
Anonymous No.24574090 >>24574147
>>24573311 (OP)
Of course you can. Just don't make it the focus of the plot. Did writers in the 70s suddenly become unable to write anything interesting stories because their characters were just watching TV all the time? I know what you're driving, the modern world is incredibly sterile and boring but the average man isn't just shut inside on social media all day but rather use their phone sporadically the difference being historically you would have specific objects for specific uses the phone has centralised all these (news, telecommunication, entertainment consumption etc) into one device.
Anonymous No.24574100 >>24574110 >>24574147
>>24573311 (OP)
Japanese media manages to make it interesting.
Anonymous No.24574107
>>24573809
When you say poetry, do you mean exclusively short form lyric poetry? Or does that include longer narrative and dramatic poetry too?
Anonymous No.24574110
>>24574100
just add porn to dangle the carrot
Anonymous No.24574147 >>24574231 >>24575714 >>24575733 >>24575963
>>24574090
In the 70s you did not have panopticon everywhere. Take No Country for Old Men which is set I dunno in the 80s or something. Basically the macguffin is the sending unit, a small device that enables bad guys to track the protag. You can't write that plot point now or any plot point involved with unknowables. Everything is tracked, you have to create predictable (and less and less probable) no signal environments.

>>24573940
You really need to focus on the panopticon forming around us. You can't write a novel where you have a serial killer, a rebel movement or vigilantes anymore because that's impossible now. You absolutely cannot write anything that challenges status quo in any way.

>>24573809
First of all, we're not becoming cyborgs, tech isn't advancing, Musk is a media glowie not an innovator or anything.

>just become writer director

let's say you do - pajeets will use ai to copy your videos, likeness, voice and writing, transfer it to fifty algo channels and then copystrike yours.


>>24574100
We're talking about literature here. Though Natsuo Kirino has a good book where two girls write messages to a boy on the run from the law. Real World it's called.
Anonymous No.24574231 >>24574246
>>24574147
>You can't write that plot point now or any plot point involved with unknowables. Everything is tracked, you have to create predictable (and less and less probable) no signal environments.

Why? It seems to me a setting like that is perfect for critique of the surveillance state.
Anonymous No.24574246 >>24574442
>>24574231
Because it's immensivelly boring to read. It's like having an alt-right kiketube channel, anti-woke, whatever. You'd make some pertinent points but Orwell and Bentham already laid all the groundwork for that. I don't want to read five chapters of how someone's youtube video got demonetized because RIAA algo caught Taylor Swift wailing from the nearest slop shop.
Anonymous No.24574268
>>24573809
Please tell us when the essay is out. I enjoy your style.
Anonymous No.24574296
>>24573340
I write poetry using only emojis and gifs
Anonymous No.24574371
>>24573809
prose fiction isn't dead by any means, contemporary aka not ignoring the modern way of life fiction does not exist unless you count passages such as "i checked my insta feed" as representative of current trends
Anonymous No.24574442 >>24574457
>>24574246
I mean do you find Notes from Underground or Ulysses boring to read? Id argue rather the problem with contemporary society is it creates mediocre writers and therefore boring literature rather than it being impossible to write an interesting story set within such a society.
Anonymous No.24574457 >>24574977 >>24575319
>>24574442
If guy from Notes from Underground spent half the novel on his smartphone checking out tinder then probably yes. The problem with devices is that you have to explain how they work, wasting narrative time. I don't know.
Anonymous No.24574463 >>24574476 >>24574523
I tried to write something like what you are describing, but from a thirdie teen perspective. It's really rough and I hate it.
Feel free to critique.

https://rentry.co/o42ksqo8
Anonymous No.24574476
>>24574463
I don't think the chat log format works well for a novel other than depicting the chat log itself. Maybe if you added a narrator's analysis to it.
Anonymous No.24574477
>>24573809
>but a writer sounds retarded if they have to say "Jayden sent five fire emojis with one laughingcrying emoji and added 'Fr bruh'."
Tao Lin did this with Gmail chat in Richard Yates and the like.
Anonymous No.24574523
>>24574463
I’ll be honest, it gave me a good chuckle lmao. The flow of the conversation feels more suited for a sitcom on TV, kind of validating OPs point. That said, I appreciate that you shared this; it makes me want to write something of my own.
Anonymous No.24574977 >>24574995 >>24575142
>>24574457
I mean that could be pretty funny and perhaps even insightful a character like underground man renting about whores rejecting him on tinder.
Anonymous No.24574995
>>24574977
It could, my point that's already mentioning one app which is also mentioning smartphone etc which adds pointless layers to reality, and if someone like him actually created a blog and started writing sincerelly he could get shadowbanned and/or arrested.
Anonymous No.24574999
>>24573809
>How are you supposed to realistically convey a day in the average person's life when it consists of gooning on X and updooting on reddit?
Don't write about retarded faggots?
Anonymous No.24575012 >>24575148 >>24575549
>>24573311 (OP)
Technology of an era is simply assumed and never mentioned unless it has something specific to do with a story
Anonymous No.24575133
Trashka on da log
Anonymous No.24575142 >>24575228 >>24575350 >>24575391
>>24574977
No. That’s not “funny” or “insightful” at all, and you seem like a zombie yourself. I want to write about virile people living lives bursting with virtue, feeling, poetry, and the unknown. Like Melville or Tolstoy.
Anonymous No.24575148 >>24575549
>>24575012
The technology of the era isn’t an arbitrary feature, it has swallowed everything. It’s implicit in older novels because its presence isn’t the substance of life itself. I’m starting to think you guys are just stupid.
Anonymous No.24575228 >>24575230 >>24575391
>>24575142
You are so fucking dumb. You are the dumbest gorilla nigga I have ever seen. Go read back to reading Nietzsche and come back when you're 25.
Anonymous No.24575230
>>24575228
seethe
Anonymous No.24575238 >>24575253 >>24575266 >>24575549
>>24573311 (OP)
>Do you realize it's impossible to write a modern novel where characters use social media, smartphones and various apps in their daily lives
People have done this though. This is like saying no one would write novels about corporate life because work is boring. Yet there’s tons of books about corporate life, and suburbia in extension. Read George Saunders, he’s great for short attention spans. (Not Lincoln in the bardo that shits bad)
Anonymous No.24575253 >>24575257 >>24575266
>>24575238
We aren’t here to discuss books anon, we’re here to kvetch and wallow in self pity. I don’t need to actually read any books to know none of them are worth reading and the west has fallen
Anonymous No.24575257
>>24575253
That’s fine I guess I can do that to. I’m going to cry alone now. Don’t mind me.
Anonymous No.24575266 >>24575275
>>24575238
those are all shit
>George Saunders
lol
>>24575253
I'm nearing 1k on my goodreads log Mr. snarky redditor
Anonymous No.24575275
>>24575266
>there are no books
>no not those books they are bad
I’m going to touch your aubergines you microcosm of a gorilla
Anonymous No.24575285 >>24575293
>24575275
It used to be common knowledge that a name is an Idea, and only the ideal form of a thing lives up to its name

Bad novels aren't novels. QED.
Anonymous No.24575293
>>24575285
You know your book recs are retarded or you’d have given even a few examples of books that clear those out of the water. Do you have anything to offer besides aping Plato, you capricious capuchin?
Anonymous No.24575305
>OP thinks no one has written a book on this
>First thought is to post on /lit/ instead of writing a book
You exemplify the thoughtless, boring masses you think you can differentiate yourself from. See you tomorrow
Anonymous No.24575319
>>24574457
You don't need to explain the exact firing mechanism of every gun you bring up in a story. If someone can't infer how an app or phone works you can just rule them out as retards.
Anonymous No.24575337 >>24575350 >>24575567
>>24573809
>>24573311 (OP)
The ultimate illiterate take is to think the interiority of using digital media cannot be somehow represented. Why do you assume that nothing is going on inside of you when you scroll? It may be that the novel is more effective at describing inner states than action, but your assumptions about what generally can and can't be done with it are very superficial, as well as unaware of how many jumps and changes the narrative form underwent. The focus on the narrative representation of interioriy is in itself a fairly recent discovery, and it has been used in very different ways from very different authors. The fact that you are not inventive enough to come up with the right combination of words to describe something that has yet to be described, such as the experience of spending most of your life online, just speaks about your own limitations, not about the limitations of the novel form.

Generally speaking you also seem to have a very poor understanding of how literature and words generally function if you think visual media are more effective in conveying certain things. Once again, this speaks more about your habits and limitations than the about the actual capacity for literature to convey something. A descriptive sentence - and a word in general - if you are used to read, is a syneasthetic clump: it contains multiple sensations from multiple senses at once, without tying you to something specific. Pleasure in imaginative reading usually comes from this. If I say something like "the edge of the ceramic vase", provided that reading is a long standing habit of mine, I see multiple things at once. "Edge" is something that comes together with visual as well as tactile feelings for instance; "ceramic" again engages multiple senses at once if you remember how it looks, how light falls on it, its solidity and fragility, its smoothness, the kind of smell it gives, etc., "vase" gives me a shape, a function, and again comes with a series of potential sensory details that are gathered together - and the combinations of all three establishes a specific focus on the kind of materiality of the object, on a portion of it, etc. Words and sentences potentially contain all these feelings. This freeplay of the imagination is the aesthetic point of literature - and it is less limited than giving the viewer/listener a strong, relatable sensory clue (a real image, a real sound) to hang from and start from, because you take away a fragment of his freedom to conjure these things from within.
If you don't think this is a valuable way of making and enjoying art it sounds very much like your problem. If (good) description feels less efficient than visual storytelling for you, maybe try to engage less with visual media and more with (good) literary descriptions, because you don't seem to have a proper understanding of how literature works.
Anonymous No.24575349
>>24573809
Doesn't this just mean that stories that intend to focus heavily on internal experience still benefit from the novel format over any other?
Anonymous No.24575350 >>24576125
>>24575337
>Why do you assume that nothing is going on inside of you when you scroll?
I don't. It's you who assumes that sort of low vibration baseness is anything worth scribbling about. See >>24575142

>come up with the right combination of words to describe something that has yet to be described, such as the experience of spending most of your life online
As others have pointed out itt, it has been described (by other indiscriminate garbage eaters), but every great author knew that only a small portion of life is ever worth being described.

"The author as describer" may be the pinnacle expression of the depravity of literate barbarism.
Anonymous No.24575384
>>24573809
The Hollywood movie system is collapsing and becoming irrelevant from a cultural perspective, I could more easily write about the movie being over (which incidentally descended from the novel)
You make some good points, but you're definition of terms is dubious
Some of the best novelists were more so poets (Hemingway, Melville)
Novel as bourgeois 19th century sense, or as with Richardson, or even with Modernism, is outdated or at least new talent is required to renovate the medium
But prose fiction still seems to be the perfect form for narrative or epic writing, and narrative writing is eternal as with lyric poetry (though I guess to true essence of poetry is a magical operation that created the world, but you guys aren't ready to hear this)
But it really comes down to how you define the novel
In what sense is Homer not a novel? Because it's in verse?
Tolstoy called the story of Joseph in the Bible the great primitive novel
There is no reason to think narrative prose writing should all of a sudden become outdated. You can argue against "the novel" but it's the kind of word that is ill-defined
Anonymous No.24575391
>>24575142
Satire has its place, and is actually pretty essential to art, and you are always to some extent confined by the time in which you are placed. You run the risk of producing something inauthentic with that attitude. The vitality is the key to literature. Think of Milton's Satan
>>24575228
Yeah he does sound naive so its tempting to tear into him
Anonymous No.24575549 >>24575568
>>24575012
Read
>>24575148
this

never before has there existed a layer of virtual that coalesces with real in its totality.

>>24575238
we're not talking about boring jobs here anon, we're talking about how panopticon drone society renders most of the literary devices futile unless you create extreme circumstances (where the network goes down for example)
Anonymous No.24575567 >>24576142
>>24575337
You're talking to two different people, are barely coherent and cannot understand - after 50 or so posts - that the thread is about how modern society affects basic plotting in novels, not interior states.
Anonymous No.24575568
>>24575549
Does it though? Or are you just a doomer making excuses?
Anonymous No.24575670 >>24575712
Regarding modern tech, there are also new devices that can be utilized in fiction and influence characters' mental states, but I'm not sure how much it will be a novum and how much something that is widely and unconsciously accepted. Let me give you an example.

I watched a Russian streamer girl that does generic video game streams, no nudity, mostly just facecam. Found a thread on Russian chan where her fans / stalkers take her selfies and put her in bondage gear, make really convincing AI clips where she spits cum from her mouth, splays her tongue etc. Is this kind of desecration something that would interest Dostoevsky for example? I'd say yes. And we're just getting started down that path. But is that also interesting? Like, you can imagine a scene where the protag is being taunted by someone who took a picture of his dead father and had him scream profanities at him while being fucked by an anthropomorphic dog with his mother's face. Such a novel would be grounded in reality - of tech - but also a vulgar insult fit for the present and future era.
Anonymous No.24575712 >>24575729
>>24575670
sickening post
Anonymous No.24575714
>>24574147
>serial killers and vigilantes
>impossible
do we live in the same reality?
Anonymous No.24575729
>>24575712
Why?
Anonymous No.24575733 >>24575736
>>24574147
nothing more faggot that the multipleresponse-prone anon
just choose one you bbc-lover
Anonymous No.24575736
>>24575733
Don't tell me what to do.
Anonymous No.24575963 >>24575984
>>24574147
>Basically the macguffin is the sending unit, a small device that enables bad guys to track the protag. You can't write that plot point now or any plot point involved with unknowables. Everything is tracked, you have to create predictable (and less and less probable) no signal environments.
the bad guy walks around without a smart device and sometimes wears prosthetic makeup
wow, that was so difficult to come up with!
the issue at this point is moreso the death of creativity than the death of the idea of the art form
Anonymous No.24575984 >>24575998
>>24575963
Now try writing No Country for Old Men with a premise that he has ANY chance of hiding from cartel or the police.
Anonymous No.24575998 >>24577322
>>24575984
It’s been done. Read more crime novels.
Anonymous No.24576048 >>24576153
>>24573311 (OP)
I just vaugley refer to scrolling on their phones, or mention social media as an umbrella term for whatever. I never mention specific names as they will date the work very quickly and never go into detail about what the characters are scrolling through. I just aim to capture a kind of atmosphere when I bring it up. I.e. the character being described is uninterested in what's happening around them.
Anonymous No.24576125 >>24577319
>>24575350
>every great author knew that only a small portion of life is ever worth being described
This sounds like a blatant generalization from someone who is in their early twenties and has read only a handful of western classics.
You have a surface level understanding of what good literature is, and simply need to read more books if you want to be able to give nuanced judgements.
Anonymous No.24576142
>>24575567
The general points being made is that the daily life of modern society is very hard to represent in novel form, that other media represent it better, and that other aspects of life are more "worthy" of being represented.
I am debating the first two points because they are the ones revealing the inexperience and stupidity of the posters.
I will not debate the third one because I don't think it's worthy of my attention. I'm not going to waste time correcting a kid's misdirected idea of what makes life important. Go talk to your dad about that, if you want.
Anonymous No.24576153 >>24576341
>>24576048
if you avoid talking about it you're proving my point
it's like writing a 20th century city novel and pretending cars don't exist
Anonymous No.24576174
>>24573842
you have to go back
Anonymous No.24576341 >>24577334
>>24576153
I don't avoid talking about it, retard. I just refer to it in a way that won't make it come across as too topical or cringe. Only teenagers and normies care about social media and I don't write for either of them. Kys.
Anonymous No.24577156
>>24573311 (OP)
I recently went with "the power is out for days", and everyone had to make do getting by, until help could be reached when the cell towers went back up.
Anonymous No.24577319
>>24576125
grasping for straws
Anonymous No.24577322 >>24577837
>>24575998
no it hasn't, lie less
Anonymous No.24577334
>>24576341
so if you want to describe a vast portion of society in your modern novel you have to take into account how embedded their daily routines are in their smartphone social media consumption. got it. sure showed me.
Anonymous No.24577563 >>24577575 >>24577877
Let me give you a taste of what the near future will look like. This has already happened on niggercattle events, for example LA Clippers arena, where Gates' henchman Ballmer instituted total surveillance, where you're faceid'd, scanned, tagged and app'd to the point where you can just walk around, take anything you like, no worries, they will immediately charge your phone with its price. Furthermore, they will record everything you say and measure the volume of your screaming so that you become eligible for various prizes.
Anonymous No.24577575
>>24577563
Anonymous No.24577689 >>24577733
>>24573809
Imagine thinking novels are dead because you don't have the skills necessary to write about people's digital lives and make it interesting or engaging.
Anonymous No.24577711
>>24573311 (OP)
I don't believe you, but I cannot disprove you because I try to avoid reading anything published within the last 20 years.
Anonymous No.24577733 >>24577749
>>24577689
Digital lives aren’t lives. You are very easily manipulated by words and slogans.
Anonymous No.24577749
>>24577733
They are lives. Them being worthy to be lived or not is another question and that alone makes it interesting to write about them.
Anonymous No.24577837 >>24578551
>>24577322
Read a fucking book nigga. The thriller genre still pumps out books by the hundred. The basic bitch innocent man on the run 39 Steps plot that NCFOM uses hasn’t gone anywhere.
The whole premise of this thread is based on ignorance. You’ve never read a contemporary book. You’re like that cartoon of the bird looking at two iron bars thinking it’s in a cage
Anonymous No.24577862
>>24573809
But stuff still happens even with social media. People waste a lot of time on phones but you could just write what actually effects the characters and just say “John wasted 4 hours on TikTok that he forgot afterwards instantly” instead of writing every second that doesn’t matter and when something is texted that actually matters you write that and just make sure it’s in a dignified matter. I mean not everyone texts with emojis. At least I don’t. Gang gang

Or just write your story that looks at the interesting net. Like for example what 3rd world people post on telegram is interesting
Anonymous No.24577877
>>24577563
This is definitely nonsense that barely worked. Reminds me of the Amazon AI store which was just a bunch of Indians watching cameras. Simply silly
Anonymous No.24577880
>>24573311 (OP)
I wouldn't want to read about a current year normalfag anyway. Not that I want to read about normalfags from before social media, either.
Anonymous No.24577995 >>24578547
>The novel is dead
>The novel is dead
>Meanwhile, the novel is more popular than it's ever been
Anonymous No.24578511
>>24573311 (OP)
Sounds like a “the workplace isn’t interesting” problem or a “modern people in society aren’t interesting” problem
None of what these apps do is new
Epistolary novels have been around forever
Some Sherman Alexie thing had snippets of AOL Instant Messenger transcripts in it
People can rummage through their own files in file cabinets looking for stuff, just like they can press control-f and look for shit in their Obsidian personal wikis
I’m not sure how a writer can make a grocery list or a to-do list interesting, but it’s no more or less interesting than anything done in Jira
Anonymous No.24578531
>>24573311 (OP)
I don't know of a single artist worth engaging with who ever took formalism seriously. I've never thought much about what a novel is or is supposed to be.
Anonymous No.24578547 >>24578621
>>24577995
>populism
>populism with women nonetheless
not only is the novel dead but so is any meaningful level of literacy
Anonymous No.24578551
>>24577837
>You’ve never read a contemporary book
yeah I'm not a black gorilla retard nigger
Anonymous No.24578568
FEAR NOT, RETARDS

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Anonymous No.24578621
>>24578547
Oh okay, so what you're really saying is
>The novels I like are dead
Good work, buddy. What a take!