Is conciseness a virtue?

>>24574267 (OP)
Yes. A good, concise argument makes the substance of the argument readily apparent, while a verbose argument conceals whatever substance there is.

>>24574267 (OP)

Without consciousness there is no virtue. It's the precondition

>>24574267 (OP)
"Deception is the point... Any fool can calculate the obvious":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UOBZB-XrTY

How to calculate that what you don't know? Enter the dreaming mind of the human being.

>>24574267 (OP)
"Deception is the point, Any fool can calculate the obvious":
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM5FTQjMYpg

How to calculate that what you don't know? Enter the dreaming mind of the human being.

>>24574267 (OP)
modern physics is the exact opposite of concise

>>24574294
Fuck I read consciousness instead of conciseness

>>24574267 (OP)
>Physicists
They publish more metaphysical speculation than analytic philosophers these days. This image should really be another soijack "anti-metaphysical" philosopher writing just as much about how we should "shut up and calculate," but also "nooo! You cannot hecking say my saying there is nothing but calculating is a metaphysical claim! I can claim what exists and what doesn't, but I am not doing metaphysics so you cannot hecking criticize me. That's not how the gosh darn language game works!!!"

The only Chads in this scenario are completely unrepentant full-on Neoplatonists.

>>24574434
>completely unrepentant full-on Neoplatonists.
>"Why yes, I AM doing metaphysics. Metaphysics is the king of the sciences. Just as men who are more intellectual and virtuous are naturally the masters of their inferiors, so too is the most intellectual of the sciences the master of those that lie beneath it."
>Empirical observation? Formal logical deduction? No, I fathomed this through direct noesis.
>Laotze was talking about the Logos, who is Jesus Christ. This was revealed to me in the desert on the ninth day of my fast when Saint Bonaventure, Al Farabi, and Eriugena appeared to me in a vision.
>My favorite part of the Aristotleian corpus? Probably the Theology or the Book of Causes.

Definitely. Even in fiction. There was a time when a deeply researched description of the inner workings of a locomotive might have been the only chance for the audience to hear about the subject, but we've got internet now.

>>24574451
Older books are 600 pages long while modern ones are much shorter because most of that text is invested to describing shit to a fine grain detail

>>24574267 (OP)
What the fuck is it about Hegel that causes such seethe in retards and pseuds?

>>24574779
what makes you think they're retards and pseuds?

>>24574779
I don’t know, it’s remarkable. I was reading an essay by a Critical Theorist claiming that Hegel’s Concept is a mode of “domination”. So I suppose if I learn something new I’ve just “dominated” my ignorance and that’s le bad.

>>24575169
Because their criticisms are always incredibly ignorant, but you can’t so much as mention Hegel’s name here without 3 or 4 pseuds coming out of the woodwork to make vague accusations of “pointless abstraction” etc.

>>24574779
They still think they know something.

Hegel is incredibly based, he solved philosophy as it was traditionally conceived in the West. Every big name after him is more or less an anti-philosopher and at this point it’s all either Lacanian basket weaving or analytic wannabe STEM bullshit (“so… are ya a materialist or a panpsychist?”). This is because Hegel left nothing left to do. Hegelians online are pretty annoying and ignorant, this is too bad. But inquisitive minds will continue to rediscover him - unless people’s attention spans are so fried that they actually can’t read him. Unfortunately this is already happening.

>>24576981
As long as there's one still alive then the dialectics never end.

>what to do after Hegel?

You buy into a myth or you die a legend.

>>24574267 (OP)
Yes, vagueness is inherently femme-brained.

>>24576899
Hegel seems to attract career academics where as Schopenhauer is more relatable to common educated folks. It also doesn't help Schopy said unflattering things about women either which academics like to put on a pedestal for some reason. I like both but let's be real here.

>>24576981
The main problem with online Hegelians is that they’re mostly Marxists. Aristotle is more important for Hegel than Marx or even Kant but none of these niggies have studied him. ~40% of the Phenomenology of Spirit is commentary on Aristotle.

>>24577216
They also will lose their minds if you use the terms “thesis, antithesis, synthesis” even though it’s a fine way to understand Hegel’s triadic schema. Then they’ll say “that’s not Hegel it’s Fichte!” even though it isn’t how Fichtean dialectic even works. But they’ve never read Fichte. Hegel, Kant, Marx is the outer limit of their reading.

>>24574267 (OP)
If you can't get your point across without endless rambling you're basically subhuman

>>24574285
conceals it from people without patience, who likely shouldn't know everything anyway

>>24577389
Even with patience, you're better off reading a concise work with depth than a shallow, verbose work.
Verbosity rarely if ever implies depth.

>>24577400
better off in what way?

>>24577407
Keeping word counts equal, a concise work has more depth than a verbose one.

>>24574267 (OP)
Concision.

>>24576907
>vague
maybe you're just too stupid to understand them. it's a common defense for hegel, don't see a reason for it not to be for criticism against hegel.

>>24576981
>he solved philosophy as it was traditionally conceived in the West
hmm that's really interesting because philosophy is still a very active field taught and practiced in schools and hegel is utterly irrelevant there, as are all the meme germans

>>24574267 (OP)
>Is conciseness a virtue?
To the extent that neither can exist, yes.

>>24577708
Circumciseness

>>24574267 (OP)
hegel is the biggest scammer in philosophy

>>24574267 (OP)

>>24577836
>point out that post-Hegelian philosophy is a break with philosophy as it was historically understood
>”BUT PEOPLE ARE STILL WRITING PHILOSOPHY RETARDDDDD”
A typical anti-Hegelian.

>>24578140
absolutely boiling lad, make like a thing in itself and negate for me

>>24574267 (OP)
what's with this seethe spam against hegel lately?

>>24577286
well said

>>24578113
>thinking Science of Logic is about logic
>not grasping the difference between representational thinking and speculation
Bertrand Russell had a shitposter’s understanding of Hegel.
>>24578151
They’re too lazy to read him but suspect there might be something to it so they respond with random attacks. Also many Schopenhauer fans on nu/lit/.

>>24578184
don't you think it's a shortcoming on hegelians' end for not being able to make any compelling case for anybody to read him?

>>24578223
Nobody cares what you think. You always go back to your shitbox.

>>24578233
wow okay, just keep malding I guess.

>>24578255
Run out of anons to help you? Doesn't surprise me. The dead 20 hour period must be rough on you.

>>24578151
it's an unhealthy obsession.