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Anonymous No.24576293 [Report] >>24576295 >>24576308 >>24576328 >>24576390 >>24577348 >>24577387 >>24577617 >>24578418 >>24578454 >>24578875 >>24578971 >>24579615 >>24580227 >>24580229 >>24580263 >>24582013
Politics aside, was she a good writer?
Anonymous No.24576295 [Report] >>24577617
>>24576293 (OP)
No.
Anonymous No.24576305 [Report]
She did her best for being an autistic Jewish woman.
Anonymous No.24576308 [Report] >>24576311 >>24578971
>>24576293 (OP)
Ayn Rand developed her philosophy specifically because she was so ugly that even in the shitstorm of the Russian Revolution neither her kike daddy nor the inbred alcoholic Bolsheviks were interested in raping her. She coped by convincing herself that this is due to socialism repressing the healthy and natural instincts (to rape Ayn Rand) in men, and men should act as selfish as possible (i.e. finally rape her). In her books, tall selfish men with big arms are constantly raping her self-insert character. She completely misunderstood men, as it always happens with women.

A real man is a living antithesis to Objectivism. As a human male, I cannot act in my own personal interests since I naturally have none, so instead I rape women out of selfless kindness, as all men do.

If Ayn Rand ever met me, I would rape the Objectivism out of her to absolutely no benefit of my own (there can be no personal gain or profit from raping Ayn Rand desu), and that would collapse her world-view on a metaphysical level. It would become indisputably self-evident to her that she kept writing books because despite all of her efforts she never got a good rape. She never got a good rape because the only men she interacted with were Objectivists who fell for her books - books written by a women dreaming of being raped, about a woman dreaming of being raped. The only men who can enjoy her books are women in male bodies, inherently incapable of raping her, and instead hoping that she would rape them, that she would incarnate as a the man she dreams of, the Messiah hiding under the skin of the Prophet. She would see why all of her relationships with men were such disasters, both of them eagerly waiting for the other to rape, waiting to no outcome. She would love me and my kind dick selflessly in return despite all her will, leaving her with absolutely nothing to ground her ideas anymore, finally feeling true freedom - freedom as an absence, as a flight with no land holding your feet, as hers would be dangling high above. The dreams of an Atlantean man of self-interests would evaporate from her head with the moisture of my cum drying in her scruffy hair. She would sing praises to Lenin whenever her mouth is not taken by selfless work on my cock and balls.
Anonymous No.24576311 [Report]
>>24576308
tiresome
Anonymous No.24576328 [Report] >>24576530 >>24577432
>>24576293 (OP)
She was horrible as a writer; the worst I've ever read, not even capping.
Anonymous No.24576390 [Report]
>>24576293 (OP)
As any other evil and retarded propagandist, she sucked, as a person, as a writer and as an "idea". Is funny that she's is remembered by exactly that, being a shitty propagandist of a shitty idea. LMAO
Anonymous No.24576398 [Report] >>24576537 >>24576565
No one on this board has actually finished Atlas Shrugged or the Fountainhead.
Anonymous No.24576530 [Report] >>24577432
>>24576328
Straight up bro on god! Ayn Rand's giving Ohio fr fr. You clocked her tea and ate her up, no cap!
Anonymous No.24576537 [Report]
>>24576398
I finished The Fountainhead, I enjoyed it tbdesu. I like how it focused on themes of artistic integrity against the temptations of mediocrity, which appealed to my artist's soul. It was much more relatable than Atlas Shrugged (which I did not finish), because it glorified artists rather than capitalist businessmen. In fact, in The Fountainhead, the big capitalist businessman character is initially a villain because he sells out his integrity to appeal to the masses in his yellow journalist rag newspaper. His redemption only comes when he reasserts his integrity to defend Roark against overriding popular opinion. Much different than the unreflective "capitalists good" message of Shrugged.
Anonymous No.24576565 [Report]
>>24576398
I’ve read AS. It’s bad. It says everything it has to say in the first 150 pages and then just…continues for another 900, no pay off. You wait for some big reveal and when it comes it’s exactly the point she made first time around.
A good editor could have tidied up her prose and made a fine novella of the manuscript.
Anonymous No.24577159 [Report]
Just read Nietzsche. There's literally nothing to be gained from reading Rand that you can't get from Nietzsche instead. The only reason she is popular is because boomertarians astroturfed her really hard
Anonymous No.24577348 [Report]
>>24576293 (OP)
No. She is a moralist not an aesthetite
Jon Kolner No.24577387 [Report] >>24577715
>>24576293 (OP)
Obligatory

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w5VM_PryoX4&pp=ygUcSmFzb24gdW5ydWhlIHdpbGxpYW0gaGlja21hbg%3D%3D
Anonymous No.24577432 [Report]
>>24576530
on god this lil bro ate no cap fr fr, bro in the >>24576328 got cooked
Anonymous No.24577617 [Report]
>>24576293 (OP)
No
>>24576295
This
Anonymous No.24577715 [Report]
>>24577387
Im partial to Ted Bundy and Carl Panzram. Also what happened to Unruhe anyways?
Anonymous No.24578418 [Report]
>>24576293 (OP)
fountainhead is good, atlas shrugged sucks.
Anonymous No.24578448 [Report]
I Rand.
Anonymous No.24578454 [Report]
>>24576293 (OP)
Boring turgid prose. Telling that libertarians like her. It’s funny that for people who pride themselves on freedom that they seem to lack any creative or artistic instincts
Anonymous No.24578554 [Report] >>24581920
Ayn Rand is bad, but she's no worse than the Marxists on this board defending their fetish religion with reddit arguments. A flood of people wanting to be something, failing to see a person needs to be someone.
Anonymous No.24578875 [Report]
>>24576293 (OP)
In spite of the fact that most people find her politics odious and evil, they are the sole reason for her continued relevance.
Any fan of hers will defend her ideas to the death, but cannot make a coherent argument for why anyone should read her books detached from her political views
Anonymous No.24578971 [Report] >>24581929
>>24576308
>She coped by convincing herself that this is due to socialism repressing the healthy and natural instincts (to rape Ayn Rand) in men, and men should act as selfish as possible (i.e. finally rape her). In her books, tall selfish men with big arms are constantly raping her self-insert character. She completely misunderstood men, as it always happens with women.
This is surprisingly true in all seriousness

>If Ayn Rand ever met me, I would rape the Objectivism out of her to absolutely no benefit of my own
If there was truly no benefit you wouldn't do it. People have a hard time understanding that benefit can also encompass subjective emotions. For instance, if you help your mom, you are indeed "selfish" because, albeit you help her, the core reason you do so is to make yourself feel better about helping her. Ayn Rand's critic of altruism was more the plebs bringing down the elite and forcing them to help them because of their "humanity" by using the coercive power of the state/mob

>>24576293 (OP)
I've read atlas shrugged and it was genuinely badly written, even as someone who generally doesn't care about prose and isn't sensitive to it.
Anonymous No.24579307 [Report]
If weren’t for her politics I don’t think people would pay much attention to her at all. Her ideas are vivid and even interesting at times, but you can tell at some point the complexity eclipses her ability as a writer.
Anonymous No.24579368 [Report]
Are her politics even relevant anymore? The right has moved away from all that Rand Paul stuff
Anonymous No.24579615 [Report] >>24581909
>>24576293 (OP)
She did one thing worth knowing about, in a speech she sketched a picture of a future traffic-blocking protest as the left becomes more and more unhinged and she absolutely perfectly predicts woke.
Anonymous No.24580227 [Report]
>>24576293 (OP)
> was she a good writer?
No. She was a great writer. She not only came up with an original philosophy and a strikingly original ethics, but managed to put it across in the form of complexly plotted, psychologically insightful fiction built on an aesthetic completely distinct from what passes for literary excellence among the bourgeois nihilists of the present-day. Lit/tards here hate and misunderstand her because they judge her by aesthetic standards to which she not only did not not conform but actively despised. her genius was to take Socialist Realism and turn it on its head so as to serve a radical capitalism alien to the comprehension of most of her critics. Even so, her books are genuinely massive and admirable achievments, not least in their cogent explanation of the nature and mechanisms of the decay of modern Western civilization. She is vastly more interesting and relevant than Nabokov, Faulkner, Beckett, all of whom can produce more melodic sentences and more sociopathic characters. But there's more to art than just that.
Anonymous No.24580229 [Report]
>>24576293 (OP)
Would.png
Anonymous No.24580263 [Report]
>>24576293 (OP)
Really boring and tedious stories encompassed by an extensive moral stance that is antithetical to basically anything reasonable.
Anonymous No.24581909 [Report]
>>24579615
oh no! blocking traffic? this is insanity!
Anonymous No.24581920 [Report]
>>24578554
>. A flood of people wanting to be something, failing to see a person needs to be someone.

It's literally the opposite. Capitalism makes you something not someone
Anonymous No.24581929 [Report]
>>24578971
>I've read atlas shrugged and it was genuinely badly written, even as someone who generally doesn't care about prose and isn't sensitive to it.

I couldn't finish it. I got to the scene where Rearden's wife got angry at him for coming home late to a dinner party, realized it wasn't going to get better, then dropped it. I'm usually pretty lenient towards crappy prose, but that's as long as it makes up for it in other ways. The story of the book's mid, the characters are flat, and the philosophy would have been better if it was presented in a primer or something.
Anonymous No.24582013 [Report]
>>24576293 (OP)
Regardless of politics having your "sensible stand in" go on a 70 page speech espousing your political beliefs is poor writing. Weave ideas into the narrative, don't vomit your ideology onto the reader