What went wrong? - /lit/ (#24577018)

Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:35:30 AM No.24577018
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They used to be good in the 19th and 20th centuries. Is it because they aren't majority Anglo anymore? I think that's related somehow. The majority of good American writers have an English ethnic background.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:38:40 AM No.24577026
>>24577018 (OP)
That's good news for me then. My mom and dad are borderlanders.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:43:03 AM No.24577038
>>24577026
good news how?
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:48:28 AM No.24577045
They are victims of various things because of LEAD CABRIUM MERCURY CHROMIUM CABRIUM ARSENIC & DECADES OF GLYPHOSPHATES that have atrophied the crown chakra and ATTRACTED SUPRAPHYSICAL PARASITES like the TOKOLOSHE and ABBRAXIAE (aka. CLOCKWORK ELVES)
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:57:07 AM No.24577060
>>24577018 (OP)
The endless commodification of society and art eroded the literary spirit of successive generations. The American literary moment peaked in the early 20th century before and during the depression. It survived but began to dwindle after WWII and was essentially gone by the year 2000
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:59:02 AM No.24577062
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 1:02:42 AM No.24577068
>>24577018 (OP)
>majority of good American writers have an English ethnic background
You had quality African American writers from the Harlem renaissance all the way to Toni Morrison in the 70s-90s. You're retarded /pol/shit isn't an adequate explanation for the dissolution of literary fiction being relevant in mainstream culture anymore. Stephen King and J.K. Rowling probably have a lot to do with this shift.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 1:07:29 AM No.24577077
>>24577068
Idiot, OP is right. His argument is much more compelling and actually has evidence beyond "durr Stephen King"
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 1:09:27 AM No.24577078
America was over the moment they decided to give citizenship to non-Anglos and import many of them. As soon as the first micks, first krauts, first wops were allowed in it was game over. Then later groups just gave it the finishing blow.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 1:11:53 AM No.24577084
>>24577078
Bro's mind is living in 1908 New York
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 1:20:42 AM No.24577101
>>24577038
Are you retarded?
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 1:26:34 AM No.24577117
>>24577101
nta but ya
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 1:29:04 AM No.24577125
>>24577101
Yes. Not as retarded as modern American writers, THOUGH.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 1:30:20 AM No.24577130
>>24577078
Mom I posted it again
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 1:37:38 AM No.24577148
>>24577130
Truth is forever
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 8:08:00 AM No.24577808
>>24577078
>As soon as the first micks, first krauts, first wops were allowed in
If they weren't allowd in to boost white numbers, the former slave population would be 30-40% today of the population, innit?
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 8:23:55 AM No.24577823
>>24577018 (OP)
Harry S. Truman
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 8:30:51 AM No.24577831
>>24577018 (OP)
>English
You mean Scots, Irish and German.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 8:52:08 AM No.24577848
They have always been mid though.

Here's all that's worth preserving from American literature:-

Novels:

Moby-Dick
Late novels of Henry James
The sound and the fury, Absalom, Absalom!
Blood meridian, Border trilogy, The Passenger + Stella Maris

Short stories:

Complete short story collection of Edgar Allan Poe
Hemingway: all short stories
Complete works of Garielle lutz
The turn of the screw

Novellas:

The Pedersen kid
Old man and the sea

Poems:

Complete works of Emily Dickinson
Complete works of EE cummings
Complete works of Wallace Stevens
Complete works of Robinson Jeffers
John Ashbery: only the collections from 20th century
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 8:52:39 AM No.24577850
>>24577848
>The Passenger + Stella Maris
kys
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 8:53:19 AM No.24577851
>>24577018 (OP)
>They used to be good in the 19th and 20th centuries
No they didn't
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 8:55:26 AM No.24577857
>>24577851
Yes, they did.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 9:03:04 AM No.24577868
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Jack Kerouac was right.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 9:06:25 AM No.24577874
>>24577850
They are important books. I can see that much, which is why I put them in
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 9:10:21 AM No.24577879
>>24577874
They're not even in Cormac's top 3 and they're not worth preserving instead of other American books.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 9:10:54 AM No.24577882
>>24577857
Anglo-Americans are Judeophilic scum who lack culture, etiquette, and basic decency
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 9:14:00 AM No.24577886
>>24577879
None of that matters. They are important because there is going to be a fusion of arts and sciences sometime later this century.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 9:16:17 AM No.24577889
>>24577886
>a fusion of arts and sciences
Pynchon did that first (and better) in Gravity's Rainbow.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 9:19:05 AM No.24577893
>>24577882
Judeophilia in indeed the weakness of the Anglo which has corrupted their culture beyond repair but it was good while it lasted and it gave us some good literature.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 9:31:57 AM No.24577914
>>24577889
>science is just le metaphor for art
>or le not
Both pynchon and GR are shit. Postmodernists are too short sighted and have no interest in how science is actually done
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 9:40:54 AM No.24577926
>>24577914
Ah, so you're just a retard. Glad to get the confirmation.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 9:43:48 AM No.24577931
>>24577926
>no u
The postmodern groupies are really retarded.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 9:46:19 AM No.24577936
>>24577931
Still better than Corncob McDonalds fan girls
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 10:00:58 AM No.24577954
>>24577936
>it's an insecure postmodern shitter
You guys are still a thing? Either way it's a fact that something like Stella Maris is levels above postmodern trash in its treatment of actual science. Pynchon, delillo, dfw etc. all bullshit.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 10:09:30 AM No.24577968
>>24577848
If you think we're so mid then stop speaking our language
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 10:24:56 AM No.24577996
>>24577018 (OP)
It’s because Jews got more of a stranglehold on their society around the 1940-1960s
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 10:59:41 AM No.24578053
21st century US is stacked though. Cynthia Ozick, Marilynne Robinson, Robert Hass, Sharon Olds, Louise Gluck, Elizabeth Strout, late Roth & Morrison. Adichie arguably counts, educated in US & lives here.
What country has managed better?
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:07:53 PM No.24578150
>>24577996
You mean the 1770's. Washington was literally a freemason. The vice president if the confederate states of America was a Jew
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 1:02:42 PM No.24578241
>>24577078
Lovecraft? You've discovered interdimensional internet?
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 1:33:26 PM No.24578272
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>>24577831
Cope
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 1:36:30 PM No.24578280
>>24578272
Hahahahah you really trust American's "self-apported" accounting of their own genetic history? Ask them their past lives: all are even splits between Genghis Khan, Caesar, and Cleopatra.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 2:00:23 PM No.24578308
Can you give me a short list of literature you've read from the 21st century?
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 2:03:40 PM No.24578314
>>24577848
Hemingway sucks
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 2:54:12 PM No.24578379
>>24578314
Read his short fiction
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 3:06:00 PM No.24578399
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>>24578280
Cope
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 3:32:25 PM No.24578429
What the schizo is this thread?
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 3:32:33 PM No.24578430
i think germany is important because that almost was the language or languages or this united states also the influence of german americans also the history that the institution of research universities in germany has had over the last 150 years or why or how that has caused change in literary estimations or thereof or thereby or therein value or values
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 8:37:18 PM No.24578952
>>24577084
>>24577808
>we ARE white! we ARE! stop! stoppit!
Go back to eating your bullshit "ethnic" food
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 8:39:05 AM No.24580476
>>24578430
What can we do to make Deutsch the officla language of the United STates?
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 9:40:11 AM No.24580569
>>24577018 (OP)
Unironically, everything wrong with America can be put down to what they put in the food.