what are some ancient philosophers you could call edgy? I want to LARP as a Sith and want to read some philosophy. not people like Nietzsche, I’m looking for more ancient philosophers. can be Greek, Indian, Chinese, Persian whatever

>>24579025 (OP)
Machiavelli, Heidegger, Hobbes

>>24579025 (OP)
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>>24579033
hm not ancient enough, but ill give machiavelli a try
>>24579039
im a whimp thats why i only larp but yeah, any school of philosophy or even mystery cults that dealt with that kind of stuff are welcome here as well

>I want to LARP as a Sith
Read this; Deceived is also good

>>24579183
read it. loved it, will give deceived a try
but i am looking more for cloth bound books wit ancient texts

>>24579025 (OP)
Heraclitus is certainly the winner of this.

Everything is fire and war! rawr XP

there was this ancient greek guy who jumped into a volcano forgot his name

>>24579025 (OP)
>Nietzsche was le Sith
there's an ancient belief that certain words could drain your life force on perceiving them and I think I just felt some of my life ebb away

>>24579025 (OP)
Laozi, we're slavés of the dao and the dao Is nothingness

>>24579275
That was Empedocles. He did it to prove his belief in reincarnation. They say that the volcano spat out his sandal.

>>24579025 (OP)
Silenus who told mortals that the best thing they can do is to kill themselves.

>>24579240

>>24579183
the Star Wars books written between the production of the prequel and sequel series (2006 - 2014. RIP expanded canon.) are surprisingly good.

>>24579025 (OP)
Eduard Von Hartmann, Philip Mainlander, Otto Weininger, Thomas Metzinger, John Gray, Eugene Thacker, J.L. Mackie.

most Anglos and Germans it seems. we're a very pessimistic people.

>>24580637
Add Thomas Ligotti and Ulrich Horstmann too

Have you read der beast by horstmann?

>>24580593
Fuck I love the Greeks. How did Empedocles aim to prove reincarnation? Did he imagine himself being reborn instantaneously as a precocious infant who could conclude his argument?

>>24579025 (OP)

I would love for what you're talking about to exist. But edginess is evil plus cool, and these things just didn't go together before the modern era. We moderns juxtapose them in our fantasies as a half-hearted expression of ressentiment towards the master-myth status of slave morality.

Heraclitus is kind of cool-edgy but not really evil-edgy.

The Sophists and some other characters presented negatively in Plato, like Thrasymachus and Alcibiades, are evil in this sense without being cool. Evil to a Greek philosopher is basically cynicism (little c; but the big C Cynics like Diogenes might also interest OP).

>>24579050

Oh, if you're open to cults and not just philosophy, def read about left-hand tantra and, of it doesn't feel too modern, sabbateanism.

>>24580849
Books on these two?

>>24580782
>Did he imagine himself being reborn instantaneously as a precocious infant who could conclude his argument?

>>24580836
You're right. There's a reason modernity is often traced to Machiavelli, Shakespeare, Milton; and late modernity to Nietzsche. They invented edginess whole cloth by dissolving, or rather by mystifying, Providence.

>>24580618
>predicted darwinism before the word "atom" was even invented
what a chad

>>24579025 (OP)
Try Thrasymachus, Kautilya, Han Feizi, and/or Ferdowsi

>>24579025 (OP)
You're looking for the author of Ecclesiastes/Qoelet

>>24579025 (OP)
Nietzsche got his whole shtick from Callicles and some of the other sophists who believed in the law of nature over the conventional law of the Polis (made for weaklings)
>We mold the best and strongest among ourselves, catching them young like lion cubs, and by spells and incantations we make slaves of them, saying that they must be content with equality and that this is what is right and fair. But if a man
arises endowed with a nature sufficiently strong, he will, I believe, shake off all these controls, burst his fetters, and break loose. And trampling upon our scraps of paper, our spells and incantations, and all our unnatural conventions, he rises up and reveals himself our master who was once our slave, and there shines forth nature’s true justice.
A shame there's not much left of their writings, except filtered through Plato.

>>24581745
Imo, Nietzsche goes far beyond that, and merges Plato's "metaphysics" (if such a thing exists before Aristotle) with these natural intuitions. His prophet is just a kind of philosopher-king. He calls himself the "inverted platonist", but this is still a type of platonist/philo-sopher. I honestly see Nietzsche as a modern Plato. A Plato freed from resentful historical notions.

>>24581810
There is a hypothesis that Plato was really just hiding his real views to avoid getting associated with Critias and that his real allegence in Gorgias is with the sophist Callicles, and not Socrates. It would also explain why he is so careful to never make the claim that the republic was an actual project he was trying to put foward or that he even thought it was possible at all.

>>24581745
No he didn't lol. It is common to see an affinity - but it is superficial. Nietzsche mentions Callicles at some point - he doesn't take it too seriously.

Also Callicles and Thrasymachus are just representing a common sentiment at the time, it was nothing unusual and it isn't that elaborate.

It also isn't the same as Nietzsche's conclusion. Morality wasn't created as an act of cunning for the weak to protect themselves from the strong. Morality develops organically, passing through different forms, and in the hands of the slaves it is just an inversion of values and an expression of bad conscience.

>>24581933
>He doesn't take it too seriously
>Also Callicles and Thrasymachus are just representing a common sentiment at the time, it was nothing unusual and it isn't that elaborate.
Wrong, Nietzsche's entire evaluation of the Greeks is that they lost their vitality and became degenerate due to the development of Socratism. Even if Thrasymachus and Callicles were not his only influences they still represent the aristocratic Greek spirit that Nietzsche admired. And of course he would downplay their influence on his thought anyway.
>Morality wasn't created as an act of cunning for the weak to protect themselves from the strong. Morality develops organically, passing through different forms, and in the hands of the slaves it is just an inversion of values and an expression of bad conscience.
It was both really. Slaves had to become more cunning than the strong. Once they did, their values became the mainstream.

>>24582143
>Wrong, Nietzsche's entire evaluation of the Greeks is that they lost their vitality and became degenerate due to the development of Socratism.
Lmao - no brother, we are talking about their role in Plato. Callicles and Thrasymachus are expressions of a common way of thinking. It isn't deep, and it for sure is not Nietzschean - not unless you're one of a fucking million undergraduates with the same paper idea. I can admit that I was one of them. "Woah dude, Callicles and Nietzsche?"


>Even if Thrasymachus and Callicles were not his only influences they still represent the aristocratic Greek spirit that Nietzsche admired.
Maybe! But they are not an aristocratic spirit.

To say that they influenced his thought is ridiculous. They are two transient fictional characters comprising a couple pages of Plato's dialogues, they are not influential on anything. They're just a literary experience.

>It was both really. Slaves had to become more cunning than the strong. Once they did, their values became the mainstream.
Doesn't matter. It is nothing to do with Callicles and Thrasymachus

>>24582256
They are definitely not expressions of the "common way of thinking". Do you believe that the common way of thinking is radical elitism? That the common person in Athens was anti-democracy? Absolute nonsense.

>>24582266
It is not "the" common way of thinking, the common way of thinking would of course be something else. Rather it was a way of thinking that existed at the time, obviously, enough to represent with two different characters. Moral skepticism goes further back than Plato. But the fact that it wasn't the convention is self evident within the very dialogue in question lol - Callicles is railing against convention, which would not make sense if that view was conventional.

>>24581188
Not darwinism. Peacocks lost the ability to fly because the females selected them for pretty tail. Not very warlike. Kind of gynocentric and pathetic.

>>24582503
>Not very warlike
It's the war of the sexes

>>24580782
Well its more to prove he was so devoted to the idea of reincarnation he didn't mind taking his own life thinking he would reincarnate immediately.

>>24580713
A bit. It was odd