Thread 24587740

Buttercup and marigold
Seems my Prince’s hair to be,
Strand and lock and curl and fold,
Oh! the boy is fair to see.

Yellow, yellow marigold,
Golden buttercups and daisies,
He is ten summers old,
Daisy-fair my Prince’s face is.

Jacinth blue and violet
Is the radiant light that flashes
Through a tangled silken net,
When he lifts his languid lashes.

Every earthly whiteness seems
Matched with his obscure and dim;
He is king of all my dreams,
I am king of love for him.

- Prince Charming by Lord Alfred Douglas

cute

>>24587740 (OP)
angloids are a bunch of nonces
that was oscar wilde's BF btw
fucking faggots

based and trad, thank you for posting this

>>24588379
It's a very trad subject to write poetry of. Perhaps one of the post trad.

>I delight in the prime of a boy of twelve, but one of thirteen is much more desirable. He who is fourteen is a still sweeter flower of the Loves, and one who is just beginning his fifteenth year is yet more delightful. The sixteenth year is that of the gods, and as for the seventeenth it is not for me, but for Zeus, to seek it. But if one has a desire for those still older, he no longer plays, but now seeks “And answering him back.”

- Strato, 1st century AD

>>24587740 (OP)
Wtf
I always thought that Prince charming was a stereotype of the romantic Knight
Not some faggot dream boytoy

>>24587740 (OP)
It's good enough for a few fun and frivolous lines about loving your cool son

>>24591145
>son
Anon I...

Ew, pedo shit

Why are britbongs like this

>>24587740 (OP)
Behold, American poetry

I hope my good old asshole holds out
60 years it's been mostly OK
Tho in Bolivia a fissure operation
survived the altiplano hospital--
a little blood, no polyps, occasionally
a small hemorrhoid
active, eager, receptive to phallus
coke bottle, candle, carrot
banana & fingers--
Now AIDS makes it shy, but still
eager to serve--
out with the dumps, in with the condom'd
orgasmic friend--
still rubbery muscular,
unashamed wide open for joy
But another 20 years who knows,
old folks got troubles everywhere--
necks, prostates, stomachs, joints--
Hope the old hole stays young
till death, relax.

>>24592449
Sphincter by Allen Ginsberg

>>24588814
Ut pueros emeret Labienus vendidit hortos.
Nil nisi ficetum nunc Labienus habet.

Labienus sold an orchard
to buy some slave boys:
he traded fruit trees
for real live fruits.

- Martial, 1st century AD

>>24592449
>american poetry
>written by a diddler jew with Marxist parents from Puccia
Nice try, Niguel. Gingsberg was an alien to Amerika, while Douglas was a member of the bong aristocracy

>>24592971
newsflash - america is an immigrant country.
kingsley amis in the last century remarked:

>There is no distinctively American literature. They offer a vast number of books that in some ways resemble British literature and in other ways don't. Those other ways are likewise non-American, whether they come from other European cultures like German or French (the latter by direct borrowing) or from non-national cultures: Jewish, Negro. No coherent culture could emerge from all that

>>24592460
They called homosexuals fruits back then?

>>24592460
it must have been horrible being a slave boy back then

>>24595503
slavery has never really been a great gig

Nobody writes good poetry anymore, at least none that I've found

>>24595511
I would have been such a good slave boy. I still would be.

>>24587740 (OP)
>Lord Alfred Douglas

>>24588363
Based

>>24596043
if you've heard of oscar wilde, you've heard of alfred douglas

>>24587740 (OP)
Why is one of his socks longer than the other?

>>24588363
Yeah I feel like this IS kind of an Anglo thing, you don't get that kind of stratified faggotry from like the French or the Germans. They certainly have their own perversions but it feels like this particular queerness is very British.

Funnily the Americans seem to be way less queer than the average Euro, but on the other hand, the USA IS the land of BBC.

English really got fucked for poetry. The heavily Romanized vocabulary means the traditional Germanic alliterative techniques are unwieldy and unnatural sounding, but the Germanic base vocabulary and irregularity means the sing-songy meters of the Romance languages also translate poorly.

The only thing it has going for it in regard to poetry is a very very large vocabulary to work with. But most of those words are ugly sounding anyway. The great English poets should be commended for creating such beautiful works despite being confined to such a shit canvas.

>>24596458
>the USA IS the land of BBC.
that's just for white women though

>>24596647
>White women
This nigga is retarded, it's all white men

>>24596530
I kind of like the fact that English poetry isn't just sing-song stuff. It feels more aggressive and more inventive, what they have to do instead.

>>24596878
It's mostly Indian men living vicariously through sissies

>>24587740 (OP)
cute boy i love him i want one

>>24587740 (OP)
>the radiant light that flashes
>Through a tangled silken net,
>When he lifts his languid lashes.
This is really good wtf…

>>24596530
Matthew Arnold wrote that
>The power of French Literature is in its prose-writers, the power of English Literature in its poets.

>>24587740 (OP)
>Meanwhile, German poetry:
When on the verge the fiery ball
Dips downward in reluctant fall,
I linger on the dunes and yearn
For one I cherish to return.

This time of day is dull at home,
The flower wilts in salty foam,
And no one seeks the last, lone door
And her who came from alien shore.

A fair-haired child now passes by
With naked limbs and cloudless eye.
Singing and skipping as he nears,
He skirts the boat and disappears.

I watch him come, I watch him go,
He never speaks to me, and though
My lips are silent, just to see
Him for an instant gladdens me.

My hearth is warm, my roof is tight,
And yet it harbours no delight.
The rents in every net are sewed
And room and kitchen well bestowed.

I wait, I sit upon the sand,
My temple pulses in my hand,
For if the blond child stays away,
What use to me the livelong day!

>>24597634
Why are germoids like this?

>>24594024
The literal translation is
>Labienus sold his gardens in order to buy boys.
>Now Labienus has nothing but a fig-orchard.
'Fig' in Latin also means 'hemmorhoids' apparently. I guess the translator tried to adapt the pun with a similar one in English?

>>24597634
Who's it by? And how's it run in the original?

>>24599622
Stefan George (picrel). Original: http://www.zeno.org/Literatur/M/George,+Stefan/Gesamtausgabe+der+Werke/Das+Neue+Reich/Das+Lied/Seelied

>>24597355
You should write a poem about it.

>>24601210
who says i haven't?

>>24596878
This

>>24601432
You didn't post it

Lord Douglas was so ugly. Why did Wilde love him

>>24603228
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
get (boi) pregnant!get (boi) pregnant!get (boi) pregnant!get (boi) pregnant!
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
CUHHHHHH THIS SLUT~

>>24604059
You can't "PLAP" a thin, lithe boy. He'd have to be fatter.

>>24604118
CRACK CRACK CRACK CRACK
POW POW POW POW
BOOOOOOOOOOOM

>>24601210
Here is a haiku I wrote about little boys:

Cute little boy butt
Ephemeral round beauty
Fades, like autumn leaves

>>24603228
i don't want it tied to me when i inevitably publish it. it's vague enough to be deniable but if i post it here it's so not

>>24604059
>>24604121
not me but i dont disagree

>>24604118
you can plap the lithe and supple if they have perfect asses which they can

I think Kafka is cuter in his twenties than Lord Douglas was, and Kafka was not a paedophile.

>>24604237
>Kafka was not a paedophile.
He doesn't know

All these guys would have been oneshot by anime and doujins

blessed lord give me my daily bred

>>24604237
>Kafka was not a nonce
Read his diary, he talks about going to saunas to leer at the legs of Swede boys

>>24607880
If staring at cute boys in public makes you a pedophile now, then I guess I must be a pedophile.

>>24607892
Being abnormal is grounds for judgement no matter what the topic. Its a tedious discussion.
>NOOO MY HEROES CANT LIKE WHAT I DONT LIKE

>>24607923
>Being abnormal is grounds for judgement
But liking cute boys isn't abnormal though. Appreciating the beauty of cute boys doesn't make you a pedophile anyway.

>>24607931
Whether you think so or otherwise, that is the cultural belief in most the western world. Caring whether it makes you one or otherwise, means you too have this thinking within you, i believe. No judgement here.

>>24607944
>that is the cultural belief in most the western world
*the Judeo-Western world, the Western world without Judaic influence was in favour of pederasty (and enjoying cute boys, even in a sexual way, did not make you a "pedophile" before Jewish feminism anyway).

>>24607931
NTA but it’s one thing to say that child is photogenic or has a nice smile. it’s another to say “I like cute boys.”

>>24607948
what does it matter? its all the same as far as societal consequence goes. I like cute boys too.

>>24607948
You’re misrepresenting history. Pederasty was only practiced during a narrow window in classical antiquity - mostly in certain Greek city-states - and even then, it was controversial. Trying to justify attraction to minors by cherry-picking one brief, contested custom from history is sort of weak.

>>24607961
My point, is that it doesn't need justification to begin with. Protect oneself from the trappings of society, but no need to bear shame for what you love.

>>24607967
That’s just intellectually lazy though.
What you love isn’t immune from judgement. Society doesn’t shame people like you for no reason.

>>24607973
Nothing is immune from judgement. How is it intellectually lazy? One should understand themselves and the world around them. I don't find popular appeal to be a basis of principle. If you want a counterfactual,
>If desire A does not need justification, society will not judge you for it
I can imagine many interests, hobbies, and desires that you would accept and commonly accepted that have been unpopular in the past. Unless you believe that pederasty was morally good in the greek city states and not now, for some reason.

>>24607961
No, pederasty was practiced by the majority of pre-Christian European cultures (of which ample documentation exists) before the advent of Christianity, and in the case of Rome, demographic replacement. Pederasty has always been an expression of the Aryan spirit which has been suppressed by jewish influence.

>>24607973
>Society doesn’t shame people like you for no reason
Yeah, they do because of sickening jewish propaganda and brainwashing.

>>24607985
I think that social discrimination of many habits and cultural beliefs are bit more complicated than that. I do not think people who care to understand are the rule, aryan or otherwise.

>>24607983
You’re the one who brought up pederasty as a defense, not me. I responded to that specific claim by pointing out it was neither universal nor morally sound even in its own time. My argument isn’t based on mass appeal, I guess it’s based on moral accountability. & unpopular isn’t the same as being unfairly maligned, as if liking stamp collecting is somehow adjacent to pederasty.

>>24607985
because it exploits vulnerable kids

>>24608028
>because it exploits vulnerable kids
Loving sexual relations between men and boys are not exploitative, the exact opposite is true. The fact that you believe this drivel is just evidence that your mind has been hijacked by jewish and feminist lies and propaganda.

>>24608028
You might be thinking of someone else. I just said it doesn't need a defense. If being unpopular is not the same as being unfairly maligned, then being popular does mean not something is fairly unmaligned. I simply used an example to show that fact.

>>24608028
>>24608045
you both aren't providing very sound reasoning for any belief.

>>24608045
I think you should direct this scrutiny inwards. Humans have innate tendencies to protect vulnerable offspring - it’s a core evolutionary trait. But cultural norms can override or distort natural protective instincts.

>>24608053
The idea that sexual relations between adults and minors causes psychological harm to the younger participant is a debunked, empirically invalid pseudoscience, akin to the pseudoscientific theory that masturbation causes insanity.

James Cantor, PhD:
>The research is much more consistent with the conclusion that harm is caused instead by coercion, manipulation, secrecy, and by courting kids who already have problems, not the sexual interactions per se.
Michael Bailey, PhD:
>Indeed, the best scientific evidence suggests that the most typical experiences considered childhood sexual abuse may not be as harmful as most people think. Specifically, sexual activity that children engage in voluntarily (albeit illegally) with adults is nearly uncorrelated with undesirable outcomes
Jordan Peterson, PhD:
>Did you know that about 20 years ago the American Psychological Association published a paper showing that most people who were sexually abused as children recovered with very little psychological damage? This is an unsayable truth.
Richard Green, PhD:
>Ultimately, scientists, if no one else, must be objective in their approach to this emotional issue. Judgmental terminology regarding intergenerational sexuality is more dramatic than that in the earlier psychiatric literature on homosexuality. There, patients were labeled perverts and psychopaths. Here, the experience is always abuse, the children are invariably victims, the adults are perpetrators, and those who later report childhood sexual experiences are, without apology to victims of the Nazi Holocaust, survivors.
Bruce Rind, PhD:
>Self-reported reactions to and effects from CSA indicated that negative effects were neither pervasive nor typically intense, and that men reacted much less negatively than women. The college data were completely consistent with data from national samples. Basic beliefs about CSA in the general population were not supported.

>>24608048
yeah sorry I might’ve got the foaming-at-the-mouth anti-Semite revisionist history pedophile confused with just the regular one

>>24608077
The reddit threads have had some crazy effects on post quality today.

>>24608084
>reddit threads
?

>>24608068
You are taking on the low-hanging fruit, i must say.
>>24608070
I am already aware that cultural and social norms don't conform to any particular intellectual code.

>>24608091
>low-hanging fruit
by arguing against pedophilia? Yeah I suppose

>>24608091
Quite funny how the Jewish conspiracy vanishes the moment you find academic papers to cherry-pick. Jordan Peterson? bold

>>24608113
>you find academic papers to cherry-pick
Those papers aren't cherry-picked though, that's a wide, representative selection of the literature. Here is a primer on the methodological flaws which plague the literature relating to this subject.

>Jordan Peterson
Yes, even a rabid anti-pedo like Jordan Peterson admits that sexual relations with children (which he mischaracterizes as a traumatological phenomenon) do not actually cause harm, because the evidence in favour of this fact is overwhelming.

>>24608103
disingenuous
>>24608113
I have no idea what you are talking about. I have said nothing about jews this entire thread, and I did not post the papers in question.