I saw it in my local library and I don’t know much about the conflict.

One sided slop

https://hussainabdulhussain.substack.com/p/can-palestinians-be-wrong

>If Khalidi can answer the above question, he will understand why global powers take Israel’s side. Israel has aligned itself with their interests as a reliable ally. Still, Western powers would not have been enough for the Israelis to win. America threw its weight behind its Iraqi allies, but these could never stand up. There is a crucial Israeli ingredient that Khalidi and most Palestinians never seem to notice: Democracy.

>Since 1897, the Zionists have been electing their leaders like clockwork, with power always transferred peacefully and seamlessly. On the Palestinian side, Khalidi describes Arafat as “the head of Fatah [who] soon became chairman of the PLO Executive Committee, a post he retained, among others, until his death in 2004.” Thirty-seven years of Arafat’s undisputed leadership and failures, but Khalidi thinks that it is external bias toward Israel that enabled Israel to beat the Palestinians.

>>24588872
>why global powers take Israel’s side
bribes + blackmail of the political elite
>Democracy
A meme. The West does business and is allies with literal terrorists when needed.

>>24588872
So basically a country-selling, Fatah-akin outlook? Selling out Palestine to imperialist powers still entails national oppression of Palestinians. The Brazilians are the ones who are most recently fighting against this national oppression: https://theworker.news/2025/03/09/peasant-masses-angry-with-constant-robberies-execute-bandits-in-rondonia-brazil-a-nova-democracia/

I dont care. TKD.

>>24588872
>One sided slop
Obviously, but OP was asking about the book in his post, not this article.

>>24588872
Please leave the moralfagging for the old ladies. America's top allies apart from Israel in the middle east are Saudi Arabia and the gulf monarchies. Nobody gives a shit about democracy it's a story told to the old ladies on tv. God I thought I was on 4chan not reddit

>>24588876
>>24590256
He's making a deeper point about the negative power of democracy. Arafat overstayed his usefulness as a leade - a democratically run politiy would have ousted him much more easily making way for more competent Palestinian leadership, which in turn external powers would be much more likely to deal with in a positive way.

>>24588794 (OP)
I have gelvin's the Israel Palestine conflict in my reading, I was supposed to read it for college. I didn't even start it yet but I believe it's going to be a good book.

>>24588872
Netanyahu has a low approval rating yet he's still in the office, how is this democracy?

Might makes right in that area and has done for thousands of years. Need I form a more nuanced opinion than this? Genuinely, I feel like any wasted effort counting crimes or being outraged about that utter shithole filled with the worst people imaginable is a good way to shred your soul and become the most brittle person ever. If a nuke fell on Tel Aviv at least the matter would be resolved. I do have a grudging respect for Israel for putting a stop to it once and for all through countless nefarious means, perhaps most of all letting Oct 7 happen with no response so they could expand later. At least with Israel having "won" the region will be quiet for once.

>>24592123

Israel keeps seizing territory every time they win a war their neighbors begin to annihilate them, and pearl clutchers claim this is morally wrong, somehow.

>>24588876
Pretty ridiculous kind of thinking. Comes from conspiracy culture. Prefers hidden systems instead of worldly realities

America is more powerful than Israel. Israel is obviously an asset.

Have you actually not noticed America pursuing leverage over the middle east this whole time? Are you retarded?

>>24590256
Saudi Arabia isn't fighting existential wars.

Arafat and Hamas should have been ousted years before they were actually ousted. Instead you get retards that can't adapt to the current moment.

>>24592796
>America is more powerful than Israel. Israel is obviously an asset.
Conclusion does not flow from the premise.
The relationship is symbiotic.
That is quickly changing as radicalizing millions of Muslims against the west is not in the interests of America.

>>24592864
>Saudi Arabia isn't fighting existential wars.
Doesn't matter. The point is being a "democracy" is irrelevant. Also, you freaks attacked Iran first and almost cause WW3. You had your slaves in the US government fix your mess after getting Iran'd so bad.

>>24592902
>being a democracy vs autocracy is irrelevant to how leadership formulates decisions
lol

>>24593134
Yes. Leave that muh democracy propaganda for the boomers.

>>24592123
>killing women and children = might
Shalom

>>24592123
You freaks were not saying this under shiny German books 80 years ago. Your behavior just shows actual humans to never show mercy towards you.

If you want to find a "neutral" side about palestianian issue them drop the subject because you are going to loose your time. The best I can recommend is "Against our better judgment"

>>24592874
Sure. What the fuck would it be if not symbiotic lol?

>Conclusion does not flow from the premise.
It isn't a syllogism. I've taught logic and prefer not to do all that

Anyways, let it be said - we don't support Israel because they are blackmailing us, we support Israel because they are an asset.

I won't say that for you to describe the US support of Israel as caused by both blackmail and symbiosis is a contradiction, but it is confused

>>24591814
Stop being reasonable. Cute pithy aphorisms and conspiratorial slogans are the only valid responses to political posts.

>>24592796
>Pretty ridiculous kind of thinking. Comes from conspiracy culture. Prefers hidden systems instead of worldly realities
Kill yourself, preferably with a shotgun, on a livestream. Thanks.

>>24593427
>Pretty ridiculous kind of thinking. Comes from conspiracy culture. Prefers hidden systems instead of worldly realities
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzbJ4pepSzM
Anti-conspiracism is nothing but a political bludgeon used to gatekeep how power actually functions. The notion that western elites are a bunch of conspiring criminals runs completely afoul of the notion of the public being sovereign and the rule of law/justice. People who deploy it are either machiavellians or fools duped by the machiavellians.

Anyway, fuck you. Kill yourself.

>>24593427
Everyone knows Epstein was an asset pissbitch

the relevance decays rapidly in this account

that Jews and Israelis were involved with Epstein among with everyone else does little to nothing. To say that Jews are present and Jews are in control are obviously separate. I don't care for this five degrees of bacon bullshit either. "Such and such's great grandfather's dog's cousin was Jewish" right on

Also the Lolita Express was named that after the fact. I hate conspiracy theorists so much lmao

I'm not even making a very dramatic distinction I just really hate this bold and self important energy combined with such fucking lazy reasoning.

>>24593440
No anti-conspiracism is response to a culture of fucking retarded theories

are you stupid or are you sleeping?

everyone agrees that Epstein is an asset, most people agree 9/11 was inside, so on and so forth. conspiracies themselves aren't the issue. it's the shit conspiracy theorists come up with. hold yourselves to a standard if you dislike it

>The notion that western elites are a bunch of conspiring criminals runs completely afoul of the notion of the public being sovereign and the rule of law/justice.
LOL everyone agrees on this, even children, when have you ever seen someone say they believe the public is sovereign? Have you ever spoken to a human in real life?

The problematic notion is that Western elites are unfathomably brilliant puppeteers of everything from natural disasters to pop culture. It is stupid. Random events falling under the singular design of a narrow authority - no, you just suck at thinking. Rather, they are many nefarious activities, unfolding in a disordered way, with conflict between the agents that you consider to be living and breathing in obedience to said design.

Now I don't much care for the extraordinary competence people want to attribute to the world elite. They are not the best of society.

This issue gets clearer if you gain any experience in the world, or better yet get a job. The world elite do all sorts of nefarious things. But you attribute too many events to the singular design of a narrow authority.

I'm a philosopher, philosophy of science is the first thing on my mind with this - you don't know how to construct a theory, I don't like seeing shitty theories made to incense people and I'll admit I like it less that people are just being marshalled against the Jews again.

And look at yourself. Let's say I was wrong. Kill myself, for standing up for reason? Kill yourself lmao. You're dragging the world down intellectually and ethically, you live for fear and hatred and nothing could be more obvious than that you're in the wrong

fuckin 4chan lol
lit was better before. maybe part of it is school not being in session

>>24593211
I'm not Jewish and I couldn't give a shit what happens to Israel. Stop trying to sound tough.

>>24592796
Israel controls America, not the other way around. It is American politicians who kiss the j*w wall, post robotic zio tweets on command, and fly jizzraeli flags outside their office. Jizzraelis never do that with American shit lmao they're in charge.

>>24593770
dumb as fuck

israel doesn't control America, the jew thing is the singular reason for this idea
if it were any other demographic then no one would be saying this

Israel is a rebellious asset that depends fully on the US.

>It is American politicians who kiss the j*w wall, post robotic zio tweets on command, and fly jizzraeli flags outside their office. Jizzraelis never do that with American shit lmao they're in charge.
That's your argument?
Stick to roblox or whatever it is you do instead of informing yourself

>>24593503
>>24593548
What a load of weapons grade seething to cope with the fact that you were a retard that denied that Israels relationship with the USA is built upon blackmail and bribery, and when counter-evidence was provided, you wrote a wall to wall reddit spacing temper tantrum.

>The problematic notion is that Western elites are unfathomably brilliant puppeteers of everything from natural disasters to pop culture. It is stupid. Random events falling under the singular design of a narrow authority - no, you just suck at thinking. Rather, they are many nefarious activities, unfolding in a disordered way, with conflict between the agents that you consider to be living and breathing in obedience to said design.
Nobody said this, you're making a strawman, anti-conspiracist generalist argument. If you were actually a philosopher, and read the likes of analytical conspiracy theory-theory, you'd know the difference between warranted and unwarranted conspiracy theories, and not make retarded arguments like this.

You're a complete sophist, not a philosopher. Go rape some starved Palestinian-Gazan man, kike.

>>24594935
The US utterly swallows Israel power wise. I don't think much of this hidden mechanism style of thinking. The reality is obvious. Israel is an asset. A western station in the middle east. Why do you think we funded Iran? Did they blackmail us too?

>counter-evidence was provided
An image with text on it was provided - formatting something as evidence doesn't make it so. I'm happy to dive into it. What do you consider neglected? I gave an explanation of what was wrong.

The image portrays enough things that are true - but it is not evidence of anything like Israeli control of America or Epstein.

Be serious for a moment. Do you believe that being involved, and being in control, are not distinct?

An Israeli gave Epstein a gift. Among others that have done this, you have given precedence to the Israeli in particular - this is a choice in pursuit of a specific conclusion.

If you dislike Israelis, you have plenty to chew on. This shouldn't come at the expense of thinking straight. That image does not bear a line of reasoning, like most conspiracies it's a loose implication of a story while trying to incense the predisposed reader.

>reddit spacing temper tantrum.
lol whatever the fuck that means

>you're making a strawman, anti-conspiracist generalist argument.
No I actually consider this important, I'm bothered by conspiracy thinkers, I talk about it often.

There is an essential principle behind this. The suspicion of control and hidden systems. The problem here - intellectually or psychologically - is obvious. There are after all, two kinds of conspiracy: Disasters, assassinations, and other singular events that require minimal conclusion are not all that bold. Most surprise attacks for instance - October 7th, 9/11, Pearl Harbor and so forth - are probably known about in advance, and permitted as a pretense to war. Governments and Elites are abundantly involved in all sorts of nefarious activities.

Conspiracies become a problem in the same way any other theory does. Increasingly elaborate, additional assumptions, relying on conjecture. It is conjecture to say that different pieces of information - like Ghislaine Maxwell's grandfather being involved with a Jew, and Epstein being involved with a Jew - are part of a single motion persisting across generations, as opposed to being two events. It's neither an extraordinary assumption nor a given, but conspiracy theories rely on these ambiguities. Similar to making it seem as though they titled a plane "Lolita Express" before gifting it, instead of acknowledging that it earned that name after the fact.

>If you were actually a philosopher, and read the likes of analytical conspiracy theory-theory, you'd know the difference between warranted and unwarranted conspiracy theories, and not make retarded arguments like this.
So what am I wrong about? I gave my reasons. I'm happy to give up the shit flinging.

>>24594983
There's no ambiguities, Robert Maxwell (a Jew) was a well-documented Mossad asset/agent and wealthy mogul, and Epstein - born to Jewish parents - gained power of attorney over Les Wener's fortune, who himself is not only a Jew, but his foundation is a mega-zionist support organization. Look into MEGA as well. Alex Acosta is fully on the public record of saying that Epstein wasn't to be given full charges because he was an intelligence asset. The sweetheart deal he was given via a grand jury included special clauses in which his co-conspirators (his top bitches who recruited further underage prostitutes + Ghislaine) were to be given immunity, and Ghislaine is currently protesting to SCOTUS to overturn her current prison sentence on this basis, which all stems from the fact that Epstein was given the lightest sentence ever, because as Acosta said, he was intelligence and not to be fucked with. Epstein was allowed to leave prison during the day for "work" despite being a sex offender by that point.

This is all beyond the additional fact that AIPAC brags about their candidate election rate, provided already, and which you've glossed over: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzbJ4pepSzM - This all adds up that the original argument (not made by me) >>24588876 is right, the current US-Israeli relationship is 100% influenced and molded by bribery and blackmail.

Fact is, conspiracy is a mode of social networking, in which secrecy is institutionalized to carry out covert operations, which are illegal and/or immoral. Theories about conspiracies are descriptive-narratives / hypotheses describing potential conspiracies, it just comes down to if the theories are good or bad - warranted or unwarranted theories (See Keeley article below). This is essential, because the wider literature has already made the distinction between generalism (which bundles all conspiracy theories together, good and bad) and particularism (which deals with them on a case by case basis, upon evidence), with the former being largely what the mainstream browbeats the public over the head with, and in doing so destroys the fine nuances and critical elements in describing true political behavior that stems from analysis from the latter. You've largely indulged in the former, and have teamed that with clearly less than adequate understanding of the fact that Epstein was the frontman of a massive international espionage and blackmail operation.

>>24595056
2/2

Take Operation AJAX for example. The CIA, on behalf of the British who got kicked out of Iran, conspired to overthrow Mosaddeq and install the Shah as supreme ruler, all to protect British oil infrastructure. This was an international conspiracy that violated international law and the UN charter, and led to the entire cascade of events leading to the 1979 revolution and everything today. The CIA, quite blatantly, runs on an modus operandi that institutionalizes conspiratorial modes of social networking to carry out its operations.

Ultimately, with the level of covert institutions and behavior that clearly underpins organizations like the CIA, much less off the public record, informal social networks of private, corporate elites, there is a mountain of evidence and solid logic to retake conspiracy into understanding power politics. That isn't to give free reign to smoking crack and dreaming up nonsense, but a realist approach to first accepting the true nature of hardball political behavior, and from there to be able to assemble the right frameworks to understand specific situations when the facts clearly point towards conspiratorial politicking.

https://philpapers.org/rec/KEEOCT

>>24595056
>There's no ambiguities, Robert Maxwell (a Jew) was a well-documented Mossad asset/agent and wealthy mogul, and Epstein - born to Jewish parents - gained power of attorney over Les Wener's fortune, who himself is not only a Jew, but his foundation is a mega-zionist support organization. Look into MEGA as well. Alex Acosta is fully on the public record of saying that Epstein wasn't to be given full charges because he was an intelligence asset.
I must be missing something. You've named three Jews, you could name a fourth. The involvement of these people in zionism, business, and politics carries nothing unlikely about it. You are taking it to suggest something further.

>Alex Acosta is fully on the public record of saying that Epstein wasn't to be given full charges because he was an intelligence asset.
We are circling back - it is already given and widely accepted that Epstein was an intelligence asset. I believe that fully. The distinction is whether he is an American agent, or instead, an agent in service to the zionists, who, in this theory also control America. I consider the latter to be less plausible. The involvement of zionists is not proof. You could list five bantu warriors who were involved with Epstein, with equally lavish gifts, and that doesn't demonstrate that Epstein and the CIA are under the jurisdiction of a bantu program. Understand?

I'm sure you have an abundance of reasons to be suspicious of a Jewish power structure and maybe there exists such a thing, but you are still in point of fact overstating the connections.

>because the wider literature has already made the distinction between generalism (which bundles all conspiracy theories together, good and bad) and particularism (which deals with them on a case by case basis, upon evidence)
I am no participant in that - as I've told you, I believe a great deal of these theories are true. The only generality in question is a general principle about the integrity of a theory. There is a style of conspiracy theory which is not fact-obedient at all, but extremely conjectural in a specific way, which relies on subordinating "facts" to a narrative in which the facts themselves are not connected by any inherent quality, but an external factor. E.g. Maxwell's family dealings with zionists, Epstein being born to Jewish parents, and Alex Acosta calling Epstein a CIA asset. These facts on their own do not by any means suggest that Israel has jurisdiction over the CIA. I'll play stupid for the sake of discussion and say this: (cont)

>>24595123
>ignores AIPAC video (again)
>more mashing of the hard facts about Epstein and refusal to use basic inductive reasoning pointing directly to international intelligence blackmail operations
There's nothing more to be discussed.

>>24588794 (OP)

all you need to know is that the conspiracy theroy called the jew control the world is true.
Israel doesn't make a fucking sense if it's not for this cabal.

>>24595123
By what method do you distinguish A.) Epstein being involved with a variety of people (no less, the exponentially increasing amount of relations available as we trace back through the connections of his connections and those of their parents and grandparents), and B.) A natural variety of individuals.

Moreover, why give precedence to the Jews among others in this case? It is little to say that Zionists were invested in the program. Assigning them authority over the whole fair is a leap forward.

This is where I make my generalist complaints about conspiracy theories. It's these point leaps, from something that is nearly evidence, to a strong conclusion, when it is not just not the only conclusion available, but not the conclusion with the least assumptions either - and then it is made with passion, and that can be taken as irritating, so people like myself are liable to deride conspiracy theories in general at that point.

>The CIA, quite blatantly, runs on an modus operandi that institutionalizes conspiratorial modes of social networking to carry out its operations.
Absolutely. The only distinction to make about this is that they are not necessarily efficient with this and stumble over longer term designs, Iran being one of the key examples.

I'm speaking redundantly but it must be stressed - many conspiracies are true, the notion of conspiracy itself is not the issue at all. It is the specific tendency of conspiracy theorists that people find grating, because there is an undeniable variance in quality among these theories, and it can't be denied either that the majority of them are not well fashioned. The average person is no better at the fashioning of theories than a medieval cosmologist. Seeming is taken for being, and evidence will follow their beliefs rather than the other way around.

So I don't doubt that Zionists were very involved with Epstein, or that Epstein was a CIA asset, or that Israel is a beneficiary of American intelligence. I just think it's unbelievable to say that America is under Israel's control - Israel is an asset, and these events fare essentially the same under that premise as they do under the conspiracy.

>>24595135
This isn't rational.

Zionists are present and involved.
To say they rule over the whole program is an additional step.
Zionists do not control America. Israel is one beneficiary among others. It is an American asset.

>AIPAC video
I'm sorry for ignoring the AIPAC video.

I don't have any problem with this. You can say what you want as passionately as you like, but it just does not mean that America is under Israel's control - that is a ridiculous conclusion.

AIPAC does not historically outrank other lobbies, with the exception of 2024. It is one among others. There is nothing strange about Zionists being invested in a country that they singularly rely on. Without American support, Israel would perish.

The Zionists want influence over America. They achieve this abundantly.

If you are seriously unable to separate this from the conclusion that Israel controls the CIA then yes this is going to be a difficult discussion that may not be worth having.

>>24591963
So just like Trump?

>>24595275
Yes.

There's only one way Israel can win the war of perception and it's way too late for that. If they hadn't rapidly modernized by 48 they would've ended up like the Kurds or worse. Then the college protestors might've been on their side or worse yet probably won't even care. The entire history of the Middle East had been fractious from the beginning. But no none of the internecine conflicts and blood feuds matter because the left couldn't place a label of colonialism on it. Remember all that hullabaloo about Joseph Kony that appeared out of nowhere? It's all artificial. The college kids protest what the other countries want them to protest. If they're protesting Israel it's because China's interests in Taiwan and Russia's interests in Ukraine means they have a vested interest in distracting the public. Not to mention their interests in Syria and Iran. Why else do you think there all the top comments on youtube are from broken chingrish sock puppet accounts talking about how they don't want to "die for Israel"?

>>24594983
>Israel is an asset. A western station in the middle east.
They're such an asset that they try false flag operations against our troops, sink our ships, and sell our military technology to China.
If it weren't for the number of rich Jews in American government and their evangelical death cult goys Israel would be roughly on par with Pakistan as an ally. Someone you hold your nose and work with. There are hundreds of credible IR scholars that will tell you that the US-Israel relationship is highly unusual and offers remarkably little to the US for how much is invested into it. The support for Israel is less based in realpolitik and more based in ideology.

>>24597810
Yep, not a very good asset!
Just the same as the rest. You can see how much we've invested in the middle east, success is so rare it is absolutely confounding that people still believe there is a long term design that it all conforms to. Practically metaphysics at that point.

>more based in ideology
No, the world is run by profit. The world is not run by ideology. That is a dream. The sort of person who serves ideology is not the sort of person to achieve power in this system, people act for their own sake.

>>24598416
America would profit more selling weapons to multiple states in the Middle East instead of just 2.
It’s ideological. There’s a reason Nixon wouldn’t allow Kissinger to work on anything involving Israel. People can
Be ideologically motivated and succeed.

>>24588794 (OP)
Haven't read it, but I've had this screenshot sitting on my computer for a while.

>>24599067
>America would profit more selling weapons to multiple states in the Middle East instead of just 2
For one, we have
Two, having every state in the middle east be equally empowered is strategically fucking retarded. That's the whole point of Israel. We need control over the middle east.

>>24599075
>but I've had this screenshot sitting on my computer for a while.

>>24591814
>He's making a deeper point about the negative power of democracy. Arafat overstayed his usefulness as a leade - a democratically run politiy would have ousted him much more easily making way for more competent Palestinian leadership
Seeing as Bibi has overstayed his usefulness as a leader - does this Hussain guy advocate wider and more accessible Israeli citizenship for Palestinians (and especially Gazans)?

You know, to keep the polity Israel more democratic and therefore stronger. I'm sure a huddled Muslim bloc would have no issue ousting Bibi.

>>24598416
>No, the world is run by profit.
There is a lot of men who profit substantially from America's support of Israel.

>>24593277
>It isn't a syllogism. I've taught logic and prefer not to do all that
Oh, so you're retarded! Explains the Zioshilling

>>24588794 (OP)
Caring about this issue at all is a sign of low iq. Cordon off the Middle East and let them fight their own battles. Check in every 100 years or so.

>>24593134
Have you seen “democracies” lately? The US can apparently be run by the whims of one guy and all the “checks and balances” people have been coping about do nothing. Remember when they seriously suggested impeachment did something? Literally YEARS of “walls are closing in”. Then it was the courts that were gonna do it. We’ve got him now! Judicial independence is vital to a democr— oh it did fucking nothing. Oh he can just ignore it. Ok. Thanks democracy.

But wait, there’s so much more! We don’t have to pretend to hate just the right wing. What happens when the “will of the people” shifts on key issues like migration in Europe? Oh it turns out the entire political spectrum can collude to keep people out of politics. Turns out that dictator shit of banning inconvenient parties, that’s something we actually want in democracies. In fact we should legislate more about who can vote for what opinions. And as for the EU superstate they’re showing us that in spite of massive political opposition, against all polling, against emergency people’s referendums, they will just keep resubmitting the same bills stripping away privacy rights and banking rights until they pass.

And how about that “rules based order” post WWII, the “international community” standing ready to intervene in injustice? Well it turns out if you’re Israel you can commit genocide and it’s ok because the Holocaust and christfags who will die for Israel. But wait! Even bigger death tolls and cleansings happen in Sudan and Yemen where we could act! Only nobody really gives a fuck.

Well at least we’re free to have opinions and access the inter— oh that’s right they’re making access ID dependent across Europe and countries like the UK jail people longer for insensitive tweets than raping girls. Ok. God bless democracy.

>>24599887
I don't know what this whole rant is supposed to prove. Sure, other groups can kill way more people and be way more explicit about it than Israel and the world doesn't do shit. That's sort of the point. Israel is held to a much higher standard. Mosul is about 1/3rd smaller than Gaza in population. It was held by 25% as many ISIS fighters. It took two years to siege it down and killed 38,000, mostly civilians. No one said it was bad because it was Arab armies with US air support doing the heavy lifting. It's different with Israel. If this happened in Sudan, sure, no one would care given the numbers.

That just proves that the order exists, plus some extra political salience for Israel because Muslims dream of retaking Jerusalem the same way Christians dreamed of retaking Constantinople through 1918. The order means the most for its members.

But, one flaw in the order is that weak groups use its rules to their advantage. Hence, the Houthis, who are incredibly reliant on food aid from the West, will attack ships without care despite the fact that if the West simply said "we're not feeding you for free any more," probably 25% of their population would be dead in a year.

The "Order" is what made Hamas think they could "win" such a hopeless military conflict by trying to promote the maximum IDF response by raping and killing toddlers, so as to get their own people brutalized so as to get the order to attack Israel. They just erred by assuming the order has more strength and leverage than it really does, although maybe they will get what they want in the long run. They can simply refuse to surrender and hide as long as they want and as the siege enters more dire stages it seems states will grant them recognition for the virtue of losing.

For me the strange thing is that the Arabs and Hamas have convinced the rest of the world that every last Palestinian must be forced to stay in Gaza. In no other "genocide" would anyone argue that the people being genocided absolutely cannot possibly be allowed to leave, even children, but must instead be penned up with the genocider, lest they "abet genocide" by leaving. No one, for instance, argued that Tutsi's be forced back into Rwanda or Syrians forced back to Assad. It's a bizarre thing. It is clearly based on the idea that Israel won't actually kill them, or that it is better to force Israel to kill them than to let them get away with driving them away, which is frankly, bizarre if you aren't a Muslim who is really angling at using these people as a future claim on Jerusalem.

>>24599928
> That just proves that the order exists
You people are fucking braindead. Just back to the script of talking points immediately.

>>24588794 (OP)
Maybe you could read multiple instances of one sided slop and formulate your own opinion?

>>24593757
denounce the talmud right now

>>24599887
I don't care about your pet issues nigga. Obviously living in the west sucks right now but that isn't at all relevant to the point I am making.

When you rotate leadership its easier to keep ideas and procedures from ossifying. This is well known and fairly self evident.

>>24599477
>Two, having every state in the middle east be equally empowered is strategically fucking retarded.
I thought it was just about profit? Now you're saying its about power? Or do you acknowledge that there are multiple factors at play and sometimes a factor like ideology can overpower the others?

>author of palestinian identity
what is palestinian identity lol, show me a palestinian king, palestinian language, palestinian culture, palestinian haplogroup please god surely there is something there? no? nothing at all? oh well

>>24588794 (OP)
It's a Muslim Arab. They believed that Jews were subhuman for years and then the subhumans had the audacity to demand autonomy.
I understand some people don't love Jews, but listening to an Islamic person's opinion on them is like listening to Hilary Clinton's take on 4chan posters

>>24600733
It is actually deeply depressing. If you look at their actual history it was a fabrication by the Soviets and they have been dying for years for the promises of an anti-semitic Russian dudes lie from over 80 year ago

>>24592123
>the region will be quiet for once
In spite of all the buildings bombed to rubble, all the villages and olive groves bulldozed in the West Bank, the Palestinian diaspora retain their rightful right to return. Israel has imbued their DNA for 77 years with a profound desire for retribution & justice, as strong as that which uplifted the zionists after thousand years of pogroms, and no matter how effective the Nazi's were in vacating jews from Europe and existence, they still persisted, and so will Palestinians after the US deposits their hegemonic wealth into militarily dismantling the Axis of Resistance at the expense of the governance of their country, and after Israel implements every deceitful tactic possible to earn the consent of globalists to end the natural humanist impulse to be against genocide, the spirit of truth will emerge through the survivors, eventually. If Canaan truly is the origin point of this world as so many stakes make it seem to be, the cries for truth will continue to deafen all who try build the definitive wall atop it.

>>24592123
>At least with Israel having "won" the region will be quiet for once.
This, but they should have finished the job ages ago. They've only made it more difficult for themselves letting it turn into a mini-Holocaust narrative

>>24601083
>rightful right
lol
rights aren't real and Israel are going to prove it this century

>>24588794 (OP)
Anything that tries to give judgment instead of robotically describe history and provide analysis is propagandaslop.

>>24588794 (OP)
Israel are obviously sovereign over the area and will govern it better than the Palestinian leadership, who are currently sacrificing their people on the alter of woke in the hope that they can garner a critical mass of Western libtard sympathy. Making "muh genocide" arguments for Israel's supposed illegitimacy is unproductive, irrational and just plain idiotic.

>>24588794 (OP)
How can the story of an ethnically cleansed people be one sided?

>>24602000
By taking the side of the "ethnically cleansed" people. Hope this helps.

>>24602004
Would you be comfortable saying that Anne Frank's diary is one sided to a group of IRL peers?

>>24602007
Your analogisation of present-day Palestinians with WW2 Jews is curious considering the adversaries of the former are present-day Jews.

>>24602025
>the adversaries of the former are present-day Jews.
I say with a straight face that have become what they despised. Zionist Israel is a fascist ethno-state.

>>24602033
they have become*

>>24602033
>Zionist Israel have become antisemitic Nazi Germany
Incoherent woke gobbledygook.

>>24602041
https://www.sporcle.com/games/amrdruid/israeli-government-or-nazi-regime-1
take the quiz

>>24602047
Take my quiz instead: Is Zionist Israel antisemitic?

>>24602049
Palestinians are Semites.

>>24602050
Take my quiz instead: Is Zionist Israel anti-Jewish?

>>24602059
>I say both Zionist Israel and Nazi Germany are genocidal ethnic cleansers
>Is Zionist Israel anti-jewish?
nonsensical question

>>24602065
It seems pertinent considering Nazi Germany's defining characteristic was its anti-Jewishness.