Thread 24593120

It's in Outer Dark, Child of God, The Passenger/Stella Maris. Clearly a pattern.

Because he's a literary gentleman and wanted to explore the human condition and incestuous thoughts is as natural to it as death.

It‘s hot

>>24593125
cletus, pls

>>24593120 (OP)
Cuz this southerner skunk's parents were cousins.

>>24593120 (OP)
I'm supposed to believe this guy was poverty stricken? I bet his parents were lawyers and doctors or something

>>24593120 (OP)
Because incest is more common than you think. Not the act itself but the confusing love and heartbreak when you love someone that's too close to you. It's just so taboo nobody speaks it out loud.

>>24593403
Are there any good writers who were actually poor?

>>24593403
His dad was a lawyer. McCarthy chose to live in abject poverty out of refusal to get a job. Didn’t even finish his degree…..
Honestly there is something to respect for someone who lives life on their own terms. Refusing to work, just spending all of your time to the craft. Unfortunate that he insisted on involving his poor wife and kid into that kind of poverty. No shock as to why she left him.

>>24593409
Legitimate question: how do you even survive in such circumstances? Hell, I'd do that if I knew how to have a roof over my head and food without a job. Unless he had daddy's money, that's a whole different thing.

>>24593409
She thought she had married an upper middle class guy and then he tells her 'Honey, this is our home!' and it's a shitty hut in the middle of the woods where they have to bathe in the river and eat canned beans every day (if they're lucky). Imagine her face lol

>>24593406
Are you speaking from experience?

>>24593413
It's all fake dude.. he wasn't that poor, he had a safety net from his family. It's just a romantic bullshit story to add to his mystique as a writer. The kinda shit publishers make up and print on the back of dust covers so assholes in bookstores go "wow this guy's the real deal. I'll check him out"

Show me an author with rotten teeth who drives as 97 Altima with duct tape on the passenger headlight and I'll kiss your ass.

>>24593413
Mccarthy was estranged from his father for much of his life

>>24593413
Cost of living was way cheaper then, but I think it’s fair to say his family gave him enough to get by before the money from the grants came in. I remember during his Oprah interview, McCarthy said something along the lines of “I always assumed I would be taken care of in some way,” so probably friends or family pitched in. Funny to think he was kind of a leech for while until All The Pretty Horses put him on the map.

>>24593423
Writers lie a lot for their 'self-mythology'. Bolaño lied about being in Chile during the coup because he thought it gave him commie cred or something. Turns out no one in Chile remembers him being there at the time but publishers (and reviewers and critics) still spread that lie because it helps to sell books and contribute to his myth.

>>24593407
What do you mean by poor? Obviously many had very little money and lived off family. Thomas De Quincey starved for months, but that was really his choice. Some had significant debts. But you have in mind a notion of social class, “working class” backgrounds. Rn I cannot think of any great writers—there seems to be none actually.
I have no money but people assume I’m rich all the time, so “being poor” must have to do with more than one’s bank account

>>24593422
Yes. And this is from someone who deeply frowns upon that and it never crossed my mind it could even sneak up on you but it is what it is. In my defense, at least, it wasn't a sister.

>>24593504
Bukowski was working class

>>24593561
That's why he's a shit writer

>>24593423
>>24593434
>>24593407
>>24593403
You guys wanna find someone fucked up to self-insert? Intellectuals aren't born poor because poor people are stupid. Smart people are rich and have planned pregnancies. Working class means high chance of being a midwit or slave-minded. While today the higher classes are usually just as stupid as working class, smart people are still usually higher class.

>>24593569
Why did you reply to me? I'm correct about Bolaño.

>>24593120 (OP)
Kantian moral philosophy prohibited incest and exogamy. It's great to see that nobody takes quantitative morals seriously anymore.

>>24593565
What about William Blake and John Clark?

>>24593579
>It's great to see that nobody takes quantitative morals seriously anymore.
kek

>>24593585
They don't. They say they do but all they're doing is masturbating to quantity, not actually putting them into proper praxis. Kant was a repressing gooner.

>>24593504
>What do you mean by poor?
Living pay check to pay check until achieving fame (if it happened). No rich parents. No inheritance.

>>24593120 (OP)
He was sexually attracted to one of his cousins.

>>24593613
Rich is relative
In the modern west its obviously not necessary to work
As for paycheck to paycheck, working regularly is mostly incompatible with great writing. I know mishima wrote in the night when his dad made him work

>>24593561
Count Tolstoy is the closest the working class will ever come to a write of its own

>>24593629
bait?

>>24593613
Anon you just want a self-insert. Ima just be honest, people like you arent smart enough to make it so youll find none

>>24593633
Self-insert refers to characters. I'm simply asking about good writers who happened to be *actually* poor.
>Ima
You write like a nig, so you're obviously not smart enough to criticize anyone.

Incest is the most literary of the classical perversions. The warping of a pre-existing bond is inherently tragic. Homosexuality, bestiality, and fetishism don't resonate with non-gays, non-furries, and non-fetishists, and so lend themselves more to comic innuendo. Only infidelity comes close (c.f. Anna Karenina), but even then the taboo being broken is much more abstract (social/moral) and less instinctual.

>>24593630
No its a joke. He tried to live/work as a peasant in his later years. They key to his later thought is him finding his salvation and cure, after severe suicidal depression, in the simplicity and faith of peasant life. But its not funny anymore since I had to explain it.

>>24593639
don't roast the smug, arm-chair psychologists so hard, their lives are hard and sad enough as it is.

>>24593662
What about raping and flaying and then while wearing his skin as a bloody catsuit raping and killing and raping and eating and raping your father?

>>24593639
Richard brautigan
>>24593434
It's well known that McCarthy was poor by choice. He has never publicly talked about his poverty save for that Oprah interview and only because Oprah pushed him to talk about it. Everything that is known about his poor years is from independent accounts; by his estranged wife, by his friends etc.

>>24593409
> Unfortunate that he insisted on involving his poor wife and kid into that kind of poverty

I do feel bad for the kid, the wife not so much.
When The Orchard Keeper sold less than 2000 copies he suggested that she get a teaching job and support them.
So she divorced him. And got a teaching job.
lol

>>24593120 (OP)
Incest is the true and only literary fetish. It's been ingrained in literary traditions since ancient times.
>>24593504
Dickens was working class and one of the most influential writers of all time, influencing writers outside of the Anglo-sphere even.

>>24594621
Dickens was middle class. His father was just financially retarded

He had 3 sisters

>>24593569
I hope the aristocrats read this and invite you in their parties.

>>24593406
Exactly. My sister and I just want to love each other and be happy.

>>24593425
*engorged

>>24593685
Of course he 'tried', it's easy to engage in these larps when you're alreasy set for life financially and you can fall back on your immense wealth when push comes to shove.
The point is that it's nothing like being a peasant as your natural state.

>>24593120 (OP)
Because to write you become OBSERVE and WITNESS — much like the VOYEUR AT THE SHOWER-WINDOW — thereby by WITNESSING you become PERVERT .. and Arch-Perverts become great writers .. this is why I will be so as well I am thinking ..

purest form of love. close minded fools get out

>>24593407
>>24593504
Jack London was working class for much of his life. Even contracted several diseases during his stint at Klondike. Has also been a genuine hobo.
Conrad is another one. Had to have his uncle tide him over several times and was deep in debt to the point of attempting suicide. Had zero prospects until much later in life.

>>24593434
>Bolaño lied about being in Chile during the coup because he thought it gave him commie cred or something.
Sauce?

>>24595780
Philip gay dick in Bukowski

Voice to text f*** that one up but I'm going to leave it because LOL . Phone posting rocks.

>>24595091
Tell more, anon.

>>24593531
cousin love?

>>24593120 (OP)
He purposefully wrote in the 'southern gothic' genre of which requires at least a small amount of incest to be genuine.

Because incest is hot, it's the best fetish that ever existed in human sexuality