Conspiracy /lit/ - /lit/ (#24593350) [Archived: 61 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/30/2025, 3:47:42 AM No.24593350
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Hey, I didn't want to post this on /x/ or /pol/ because I would get the usual schizos but I was wondering if there is actually any good books to read in the so called "conspiracy/paranoid" book genre. From what I understand most of the books usually start from a genuine place but the author normally just cannot help themselves from inserting what they believe happened which they don't have definite proof for.

What are some good books that talk about business, intelligence agencies, or I guess a kind of "shadow power"?
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Anonymous
7/30/2025, 4:38:56 AM No.24593457
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Anonymous
7/30/2025, 4:39:58 AM No.24593459
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Anonymous
7/30/2025, 5:00:30 AM No.24593489
>>24593350 (OP)
Both books mentioned in this thread already and also Chaos by Tom O’Neill and The Devil’s Chessboard by David Talbot
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Anonymous
7/30/2025, 5:05:10 AM No.24593493
>>24593457
>>24593459
>>24593489
How well researched are these books? Something that I found was that reviews of a lot of books either heaped loads of praise on them because they believed in said conspiracies or just outright mocked them without really explaining why.

Are there any authors that I should avoid?
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Anonymous
7/30/2025, 5:12:10 AM No.24593517
does Secret Lives of Timothy McVeigh count as a conspiracy book? I've only seen positive feedback about it.
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Anonymous
7/30/2025, 5:22:30 AM No.24593545
>>24593517
If this is what you are talking about that book is really good. She did a lot of research even had pictures of his dental x-rays.
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Anonymous
7/30/2025, 5:39:09 AM No.24593571
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Anonymous
7/30/2025, 6:49:13 AM No.24593701
>>24593457
Shit book. He says the Illuminati is blaming the jews, for the evils the jews commit.
Anonymous
7/30/2025, 8:51:14 AM No.24593847
>>24593493
Dark Alliance, Devils Chessboard, and Chaos are all incredibly well researched. Chaos took 20~ or so years to finally be published because the author kept going back to research and find and add new things to it
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Anonymous
7/30/2025, 3:58:10 PM No.24594430
>>24593847
Chaos was shit. It's mostly dude telling his story about twenty years of fucking around half-heartedly trying to interview people for information and finally gathering a little bit of information that was already known to researchers who used publicly available materials rather than trying to schmooze it out of celebs.

For OP, a couple that come to mind are One Nation Under Blackmail by Whitney Webb (if that one isn't obvious), Supermob by Gus Russo, Solving 9-11 by Christopher Bollyn. Peter Dale Scott (coiner of the term "deep politics" to describe non-schizo-speculation "conspiracy" research) is canon. James Corbett recently released a book but he's a better documentarian (see: the Requiem for the Suicided series and 9-11 docs) than a writer.

Gary Allen might have some worthy bits if you like the genre but isn't up to the standard of these others.
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Anonymous
7/30/2025, 4:01:39 PM No.24594436
>>24594430
Also:
Douglas Valentine
Michael Collins Piper
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Anonymous
7/30/2025, 4:03:25 PM No.24594442
>>24594436
Also there are a couple of books about Danny Casolaro out there that I haven't read but that's a great story.
Anonymous
7/30/2025, 8:12:36 PM No.24595038
The Mitrohkin Archive is good- guy saw the writing on the wall at the KGB, copied almost the entire operational history archive and defected to the U.S. with it
Anonymous
7/31/2025, 2:18:30 AM No.24596130
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Anonymous
7/31/2025, 5:32:32 PM No.24597724
>>24593350 (OP)
The wikipedia edits page for The Franklin Scandal is extremely entertaining. Bryant goes hard against the mods for censoring the hell out of the page, and they just keep giving him the run around and nuking content.
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Anonymous
7/31/2025, 5:36:08 PM No.24597734
>>24593571
Buy an ad, you obese BPD whore
Anonymous
7/31/2025, 6:33:33 PM No.24597852
>>24593350 (OP)
e micheal jones (works, covers the art world, jewry, social engineer/urban planning, cultural/sexual revolution/cia stuff, usury/debt he's covered most things and probably in a more complete way (rooting them in the related philosophy/religious aspects)) and I also liked creature from jekyll island

If I were to seriously read into this stuff more intentionally i'd focus on SRA stuff. it's not "intel agencies" it's occult child rapists who do rituals to dominate feminie/pure energies archetypally or something.

Whitney webb's stuff is also good also
>From what I understand most of the books usually start from a genuine place but the author normally just cannot help themselves from inserting what they believe happened which they don't have definite proof for.
bro we have proof for everything most of this stuff isn't really in question. We know the CIA worked with the finders a satanic child sacrifice cult, just no one cares because the same people involved in that also run the state. Whitney webb is good at making the case it's a collection of shared interests between organized crime, intel agencies, human trafficking etc.
If you really pressed me I do think they probably try to contact/interact with ultradimensionals/aliens/demons/cryptids or something but people aren't ready for that. They like to think the occult stuff is a larp or something (which I think there is a case for) but to me it's rather obvious no it is acutally just a bunch of demon worshipping freaks who rape and torture kids to appease them.

We DO have definite proof for the child sex trafficking being tied in w/ intel agencies and organized crime along with occult flavors. They also control the state (because jews are kinda the kings of satanists) but we don't have clear evidence of the more extreme stuff I talked about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux

the ones we know about get let go free basically this article doesn't cover everything but acting like we don't have evidence for this stuff is insane. This guy basically got caught then still just got payed by the state to rape and torture children and cops stumbled on him and heard kids screaming and just ignored it lol. We are in a techocratic hellscape controlled by demon worshipping elites, sorry to let you know, and we do have the evidence.
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Anonymous
7/31/2025, 6:36:29 PM No.24597859
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>>24593350 (OP)
Doctor Zhivago.
Anonymous
7/31/2025, 6:37:39 PM No.24597862
>>24597852
also I should say this is not something I really spend much time reading into anymore, there's a point where you read enough you basically figure out what's going on and there's not really any point to read further.
Existentailist critiques of mass society ala heidegger, gabriel marcel, ernst junger, marshall mcluhan etc. are far healthier and productive things to study but I do think you probably do need to force the redpill down about the conspiracy stuff to start. If you view ww1/2 as anything other than financiers/occultists destroying europe and royal families so they can control everyone with debt and socially engineer everyone you have a long way to go, ppl are supposed to figure the holocaust was fake when they were teenagers if you've waited this long it's not going to be pleasant when you realize what's going on but as I said not a good thing to dwell on IMO.
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Anonymous
8/1/2025, 12:28:30 AM No.24598657
Watch Eyes Wide Shut, first thing.
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Anonymous
8/1/2025, 1:40:20 AM No.24598851
>>24593571
what a gay fucking title
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 1:45:03 AM No.24598862
>>24593350 (OP)
Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. It's about a group of college professors who decide to invent an outlandish conspiracy theory involving the knights templar and shit, and then they realize their shitpost actually has some kernels of truth in it.
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 1:48:47 AM No.24598867
>>24593350 (OP)
Eustace Mullins
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 6:46:06 AM No.24599423
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Anonymous
8/1/2025, 6:47:27 AM No.24599428
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>>24593350 (OP)
skip all the euphemisms bullshit dancing around the issue and just read mein kampf, spoiler: its the jews
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Anonymous
8/1/2025, 6:51:17 AM No.24599434
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>>24597724
MANGO the wiki mod/admin is one of those disgusting subhumans that you can just smell the Dorito dust and fatty sweat rolls through the computer screen. That discussion/edits page is disgusting and goes a long way to demonstrate why Wikipedia is nowhere near reliable.
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 6:51:18 AM No.24599435
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Anonymous
8/1/2025, 4:14:41 PM No.24600127
>>24597852
>>24597862
(Not exactly addressing you directly here, just kind of bouncing off some of the things mentioned in your posts)

It's true that occult shit is a thing within elite circles, but I don't think we get clarity from just pointing to that and saying, "See!?". What does it mean? That paranormal shit is actually real, or that it's not, but that elites are true believers? Are elites enlightened, or evil, or insane? And what good does awareness of this do us?

I prefer to look at religion sociologically. People consciously or unconsciously adopt mythical worldviews as tokens of belonging to identity groups. Elites are higher-than-average-IQ people who are less likely to believe naively in the received religious teachings that most normies grow up with. You find a lot of interest in heterodox or esoteric spirituality within high-IQ non-elites, too. Many of them also come from old-power families. They know that they're part of the myth-maker class and enjoy flexing their freedom from the plebeian taboos they exploit. But I think the most important thing is that secret societies are like mystified blackmail rings, and blackmail rings are like secularized secret societies. In blackmail rings, you gain the privilege to do taboo activities that normies can't get away with at the expense of some of your autonomy. In secret societies, that privilege may be supposed spiritual knowledge, or moral license, or both. These groups attract people who are ambitious, or morally and emotionally weakened and desperately seeking greener pastures, or both. I think the healthier of the ambitious ones know what they're doing and use the spiritual bullshit as a means, and that they're probably the ones who rise to the top more often than not. (Then again, it's the Jews at the top (pretty much), and clearly some of them, like Chabad, believe their own schizo myths.)

Point is, exoteric religions are just the lowest, broadest, most naive tier of secret societies. Don't let "Satan" scare you to Jesus. Don't believe in Hermes Trismegistis, gnosis, gurus, ayyys, or any of their stupid myths. They don't have special knowledge. They just have connections and speak a secret language, so to speak. Good deep politics research functions on principles similar to those of signals intelligence: it lays out data about people, their known individual and corporate activities, and how they're known to network with one another, so that when we speculate about their clandestine activities (as we inevitably have to do at some point), we don't have to make as many leaps and can better justify confidence of our conclusions. Precision is important because it weakens controlled opposition myths and keeps us sane (at least me).
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Anonymous
8/1/2025, 4:15:44 PM No.24600128
>>24600127
BTW Jesus never existed (read Richard Carrier, On the Historicity of Jesus)
BTW the Sabbatean movement explains some of the perversity ("Satanism") of Jews (and the Christian and Muslim instituations they infiltrated), but then again so does the Torah (read Laurent Guyénot, From Yahweh to Zion)
BTW thanks for broaching the holoquestion; if OP or others have managed to find their way to 4chan without knowing about this topic yet, they can read Debating the Holocaust by Thomas Dalton. Though I think documentaries are a better introductory medium than books for this topic, even more than others (we're talking about events from the mass electronic media era, after all).
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 5:36:13 PM No.24600247
>>24600127
I disagree fundamentally because you sort of have a view of elites as actually being elite or competent or something. A crucial part of my view is the classical view of morality as rooted in the structure of our being and our proper response to it. Understanding, knowledge, and the ability to function rationally is dependent on morality. Being evil makes you stupid and have less agency and rational control over yourself, you lose the ability to "manipulate" because you can't even see things at a certain point.

I think elites WANT to, or want to try to win favor from some other worldly stuff (I don't think they have clear views about whether it's real or not as I said when you are morally ruined you don't have clear views about anything you are basically an animal). I do assume those other things exist but I assume they don't have a like "evil manipulating relationship" over the elites more disinterest with possibly some occasional engagement.

The satanic ritual abuse thing, under the explicitly anti-Christian veneer does exist but again I think trying to say "do these people actually believe it or not" is the wrong question, they aren't capable of beliefs, they certainly do act in that matter though. I don't think that means "satan or some demon" is like guiding and manipulating them and giving them knowledge either. I know they do regularly sort of use traditional expectations of evil as a way of demoralizing/degrading populations but also as I said I genuinely just think these people are retarded freaks. They don't have a profound understanding of sociology, psychology, philosophy, technology or anything.

Frankly I think our current state is largely accidental and they got lucky more than anything and are on the way out due to just technological shifts. (Hence why I recommended people focus more on the philosophical understandings because that will actually give way more clarity than conspiracy stuff).

I also don't agree precision matters, so long as you are dealing with mass social structures they will just allow evil people to flourish, the issue isn't precise understanding of mass social structures it's having mass social structures for control. There is no way people can do well without them.

I don't care if people think it's reptiles or jews or whatever, seeing the mechanisms of manipulation as it ties into your life is what matters and getting that separation from them.
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Anonymous
8/1/2025, 6:25:03 PM No.24600339
>>24600247
Doesn't sound to me like we disagree that fundamentally.

I don't think elites are superior or necessarily competent. The privilege they grow up in does tend to favor higher than average IQ, but also alienates then from normal pro-social morality, which can some short term benefit in gaining power, with competence (if we want to use such a positive word for skill at manipulation of large swaths of people) tending to decline after a certain point.

I don't agree that they're retarded freaks. I mean some of them, sure, especially the degenerate kids of the ambitious. I don't think they have academic type knowledge for the most part, just a sociopathic kind of acuity and the advantage of a cultural proximity to intellectuality by virtue of urban living, ivy league education, etc. that most people don't have.

I also agree that they mostly got lucky. Just that it's multi-generational luck that demands that they have certain "competences" to maintain.

I completely agree that elite power and "evil" (alienation from normal pro-social behavior and mindset) are inherently linked to large-scale society. Whether we study deep politics or philosophy or both we're just getting our heads straight about these realities and maybe influencing a small number of other people, not changing the structural problem of animals that evolved in Dunbar-sized groups being organized globally.
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 6:36:28 PM No.24600355
>>24600247
Oh and I also agree with the last paragraph. It is the Jews, but what and how "it" is matters more than "who" it is. And indeed what it is is a reptile-brained systematization of opportunism, elevated to a science in the cybernetic, algorithmic era.
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 7:43:12 PM No.24600480
Good books on Jon Beney Ramsey? Or general bizarre missing person cases?
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 4:14:02 AM No.24601552
>>24600480
Programmed to Kill has a really great chapter on the subject
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 6:48:35 AM No.24601838
>>24601552
I'm reading this now. I find much of the information interesting, but the authors obsession with Hitler's birthday and his moronic take on Nietzsche undermines my enjoyment of the book
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 6:50:06 AM No.24601840
>>24601838
ive really enjoyed not reading programmed to kill because every discussion i read of it once or twice year always has these tidbits that makes it seem totally deranged in the funniest way possible
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 6:54:44 AM No.24601851
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>>24601840
i have however read the first few chapters of this and its much more serious, albeit needed an editor. gets into the fact the state department was given by police and then destroyed evidence of national wide network of people buying child-snuff porn and that j. h. hoover potentially facilitated boy prostitutes from this same abuse network out of houston and dallas. and thats even before it gets into gacy and the international shit
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:18:41 AM No.24601962
>>24598657
That movie fucking SUCKED.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 3:36:23 PM No.24602595
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>>24593350 (OP)

"Anatoliy Golitsyn was an ex-KGB officer who spent 15 years in Soviet intelligence work, which put him in contact with high-ranking Soviet officials. He defected to the West in 1961. Golitsyn wrote two books that outline in painstaking detail the Soviet’s “grand strategy” against the West and the non-communist Third World: New Lies for Old (1984) and The Perestroika Deception (1995)."

https://www.doomedsoldiers.com/pdfs/new_lies_for_old_golitsyn.pdf
https://alor.org/Storage/Library/PDF/GOLITSYN%20A-Perestroika_Deception_(1998).pdf

“Golitsyn provided an entire chapter of such predictions, containing 194 distinct auguries. Of these, 46 were not falsifiable at the time this book went to press…. Yet of Golitsyn’s falsifiable predictions, 139 out of 148 were fulfilled by the end of 1993 – an accuracy rate of nearly 94 percent.” Quoted from, Wedge: The Secret War Between the FBI and CIA (New York, Alfred A. Knopf, 1994), pp. 407-408.