What the fuck was his problem? Why couldn't he just tell a normal story with a plot?

>>24596351 (OP)
he was raped as an adult by his uncle and also fell from the stairs and hit his head

>>24596351 (OP)
the anglo man struggles with magical realism in general, in my observation

>>24596371
it's fantasy

>>24596371
What the hell is magically realistic about my cock sliding in your mouth. It may be realistic but there is certainly nothing magical about it. Absurd.

>>24596359
this is true btw look it up

>>24596351 (OP)
He did write a few of those though. Mostly in his early work.
>>24596371
Was Borges Magical realism?

>>24596394
>Was Borges Magical realism?
no, he described himself as a fantasy author

his memes are for those on level 8

>>24596351 (OP)
that was the whole point
>>24596381
that IS magical though wdym

>>24596371
Latinx here, fuck magical realism. Borges is also boring imo

>>24596408
>Latinx
that's how we know you're not
kek

>>24596351 (OP)
His essays are better than his fiction.

>>24596394
Yes
Although people can debate endlessly about genre, I don't think there is any meaningful sense in which it isn't.

Looking at a story like Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius... Magical Realism is the only term for that. It is not fantastical. It is magical realism. Or, you could say Idealism Realism, if you are into great philosophy jokes

>>24596351 (OP)
Boy was I disappointed when I read him. I thought it was going to be some deeply profound esoteric metaphors in this surreal fantastical world's he created, instead all I got was constant name dropping in somebody schizos conversation.

>>24596397
the term did not exist yet

Descartes did not describe himself as a rationalist

Moreover, any instance of magical realism could be interpreted as "fantasy" because the latter is much broader. I would pose the question of whether the category of fantasy actually precludes anything belonging to magical realism or vice versa

>>24596409
But I am. Onions latinx, maricón, I read Don Quixote in its original language (español).

>>24596435
nice try, gringo. no latino call himself "latinx".

>>24596428
>the term did not exist yet
What term? Fantasy? Yes, it kind of did exist. He called himself a writer of 'fantastic literature' to be more precise. But if you mean magical realism, then, no it didn't quite exist.

>>24596440
Pos yo sí, biatch.

>>24596443
again, nice try.

>>24596371
>Once upon a time a guy found a book. Here is a list of things inside the book. This book did not impact anyone's life in any significant way. The end.
What's magical about that?

>>24596418
>Magical Realism is the only term for that. It is not fantastical. It is magical realism
And yet you read other magical realism and its some gay story about someone finding himself by climbing down a well. It doesn't really fit.

>>24596443
gringo maricon triplehijueputa coma mierda más bien pedazo de gonorrea. Disque "latinx" maricon.
Borges was right, Spanish was a mistake, English is by far superior.

>>24597625
Sí, y vos también sos "latinx", biatch.

>>24596428
Magical realism has to be rural and shit. Borges characters are usually academics, mad academics, weird ass academics, magical academics.

>>24596398
checks out

>>24596418
>Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius...
literally native isekai
Borges gets hit by an encyclopaedia and the Earth is transformed into Tlön

Ok anon I get the appeal of an edgy memey thread and all but do you have to be this negative all the time? Borges is more interested in communicating his ideas and I get its not for everyone but you could just read something else that is for you, you know? Its kinda dishonest to pretend that Borges is shite, when he clearly resonates with a lot of people. Again, I understand its fun to make threads like this one but I do not think it does your soul any good in the long run. Im glad you read some of his stuff and learned that you dont enjoy it. Isnt this what reading is all about? You tried and didnt like it, its cool. We can civilly discuss why it wasnt for you but this hecking reaction-baiting type of thread is really just holding everyone back. I hope you read a lot of books you like in the near future.

>>24596351 (OP)
what is the anime equivalent of borges?

>>24596351 (OP)
>What the fuck was his problem? Why couldn't he just tell a normal story with a plot?
BECAUSE YOU MUST GO BACK TO YOUR BANANA-EATING CONTINENT AND DIE IN YOUR MUD HUT, YOU SAVAGE SUB-HUMAN.

>>24596351 (OP)
He did, though. You only read Fictions.

>>24596351 (OP)
A board of lazy polemicists whose arguments are carried on only the strength of their unfounded confidence.

>>24598071
I had to look this up
I don't agree, it is not a transportation to another world. Rather, the other world isn't really the object of interest in this story. It is the process of transformation, beginning in small moments, that is interesting - uncanny objects appearing from out of a book, and then this being written about in such a frank and accepting manner.

Basically, although I find this way of interpreting a little too dry - the story is delivering on Berkeleyan idealism.

>>24598539
it's a meme, you dip

>>24598079
You say you hate contrarian essays presented as genuine in a playful thought experiment designed to provoke a reaction from the reader, yet you are a fan of Borges. Curious.

Argentinians are extremely pretentious

>>24596440
Are you Italian? No, then you're also not a latino

>>24598071
>native isekai
Kys

>>24598752
you know damn well that doesn't describe 4chan

>>24598501
no sacred cows, everyone gets slapped up

>>24598136
Boku no Pico.

>>24598136
Monogatari series and Medaka Box both have extremely literal metaphors and puns that alter reality

>>24596440
i forget the exact numbers but something like 3% of latinos use the term, 47% of them hate it, and 50% of them hadn't even heard of it
those 3% are definitely the sort of "white-adjacent" "woke" westernized liberal types, almost always those that don't speak spanish
especially if you see anyone use the term on this site they're 100% trolling (and usually looking to troll other latinos lol)

>>24596359

>>24596371
Not exactly “Anglo” but Selma Lagerlof’s Gosta Berlings saga is pretty much what Northern European magic realism would look like. It has heavy Christian and pagan themes and influence to it while remaining grounded to the real world at once. It’s descriptions of events for the most part take on a detached quality which is written in that magic realist way which combines the every day banality of life with the mystical world of Norse paganism, hence the “saga” of the title. It is one of my favorite novels.

>>24596359
I also remember that interview. It was sad that he was so naive as an adult and he didn't know his uncle was sodomizing him.

>>24598771
latino = latinoamericano (latin american).
latin (language) american (geography)

>>24596351 (OP)
These stories are so lame and gimmicky.

>You now realize Shape of the sword and theme of the traitor and the hero are the EXACT same story but told from different povs, officer Moon talking about his background and starting as a hero of the Irish civil war before revealing he was the informant and the other story with Killpatrick or whoever studying the backstory of his forefather and realizing that man was the informant the whole time

It’s the same story with minor tweaks to it.

>>24599103
>and 50% of them hadn't even heard of it
I don't think anyone over 30 years old have heard this term

>>24599154
How Borgesian

>>24596359
Borges story in which he unrapes himself and the cosmos

>>24596351 (OP)
I’ve only read Library of Babel. It was pretty good from what I remember. Isn’t Gabriel Garcia Marquez just an upgraded Borges?

>>24601477
different styles and themes. only grouped together because they're south american.

>>24596397
Well technically Genre is independent from what the author calls himself. Though I myself am not very sure if Magical Realism should even be considered a genre. Or should have, given that it now unquestionably exists.
>>24596418
I mean it is speculative fiction, but I never quite understood magical realism to encompass something like that. It was always a narrower definition for me.
Take The Kingdom of This World by Carpentier, is that Magical realism?

>>24596351 (OP)
reddit author

>>24601539
There is a 100% chance your favorite author loves him

>>24599103
American Latinos have a problem where the possession of sense of a culture is intoxicating and takes over their spirit and identity

Generally Americans don't get to have one, so they are zealous at the opportunity when it presents itself. Similar for italian, irish, and southern, somewhat

>>24601786
Nope.

>>24596351 (OP)
to filter plotfags

>>24596351 (OP)
he is kind of a one-trick-pony, but the trick is impressive. Also there's nothing "magical-realist" about him, he's straightforwardly post-modernist, one could define post-modernism by his works, at least the interesting parts and not the forgettable 10-layers-of-irony shit.

>>24602405
>he's straightforwardly post-modernist,
Why do you believe.

>>24602405
>he's straightforwardly post-modernist,
Why do you think so?

>>24602407
>>24602410
because the most distinctive things in his work are the "meta" devices that are usually mentioned as typical for post-modernism: self-reference; author commenting on the text, on writing, on himself and/or fictional versions of himself; games, puzzles, obscure references (that might be real or not); various forms of infinity (like infinite text) - and generally some mathematical themes; altered states of conscioussness and perception (like the perfect memory guy and the Aleph); fiction/text intruding into reality (Tlön); simulacra (like the map that grows to perfect detail); randomness (Lottery); mixing of genres...

A lot of his work is like thought experiments in physics, he posits some weird idea and then explores what might happen/what it might mean. He's certainly not a realist (in the sense of focusing on social conditions and authentic human behavior), and he's not really magical like Marquez is, for example.

>>24599103
>especially if you see anyone use the term on this site they're 100% trolling (and usually looking to troll other latinos lol
jajajajaja

>>24602449
Thank you.
Though I think some of his stories could fall under a realism, of sorts. The elder woman, for example.

He wrote fantasy.

>>24596359
>>24599154
What interview?

>>24596351 (OP)
>horhay borhay
idk abt the name t b h

Why is it wrong to say that he’s just okay? Everyone here either worships him or hates him. He’s just okay. I said the truth. He’s cool in some areas but doesn’t blow me away.

>>24596351 (OP)
lol

>>24596397
Go back to your containment general retarded sword and sorcery fat

>>24603269
same

>>24603828
He's a glorified genre writer who admitted he was overrated.

Cope and seethe.

>>24597617
He never said that.

>>24604017
He did. And didn't stop there.

>>24604022
You're lying.

>>24604413
He did say that. He had problematic views about us Jewish people. It's time we recognize that.

>>24603113
It's an interview from like the 70s, I think, where he is describing an experience with his uncle and it's clear he's describing being anally raped and the interviewer makes that obvservation. It's been a while but I will try to look it up.

>>24604017
Correct, his actual views are better encapsulated by his essay "I, A Jew" as anyone knows who bothered reading his work.

>>24605019
He actually did say that. People who are into his work read more than the virtue signaling essays.

>>24604017
He did say that on the 18th of May of 1955. It was a Wednesday.

>>24598761
The only correct and relevant post itt

>>24598761
>>24606698
They are worse than pretentious, they are arrogant and narcissistic. Essentially the jews of Latin America but way less intelligent.

I love Borges so much and so jealously that I refuse to read any threads about him in fear of having my mind changed

>>24603832
calling him a genre writer is strange

a genre writer writes for a genre. But the "genre" - and we can't even agree on what that is - was not fully conceived as we conceive it now. Magical realism was not a thing, and fantasy means nothing in particular

>>24596351 (OP)
horrré luiiiiiz borhäääääs

>>24606714
Fantasy is a genre and Borges wrote in it by his own admission.
>I write fantasy literature
>I am an overrated writer
he said both of those things, give or take

>>24606698
They are arrogant and narcissistic, more than just pretentious. Very tribal and annoying as well, which I guess is common among certain third worlders.

>>24606725
x2 Fantasy means nothing in particular. Meant even less then. "Genre writing" for fantasy is a later concept that really doesn't apply to Borges at all. What does Borges have in common with the "fantasy" writers that were his contemporaries? Very little, he frankly has more in common with science fiction lol.

Also what Borges said he was that he was "fantastical." Not "this is inspired by my dungeons and dragons campaign"

I sort of got the impression that the "look at how enormous my bag of tricks are, look at how meta I am" kind of pomo style just doesn't sit well with the readers of the present like it did up until the late 00s. We're in a realist phase at the moment.

>>24607911
iq and education level diff fr fr stick to ya lil nigga. while you were sippin on double-digit soi borges was teaching himself German to read schope all while working at the library. built diff on my momma

>>24607929
bruh naw cuh fr

>>24606883
You keep saying that it doesn't mean anything, but it clearly does. Apparently everyone knows what it means, except for you. You're acting as if Borges wrote in the 1800s or something when he wrote in the mid to late 20th century. He was obviously aware of what he was. When he talks about fantastic literature he's talking about fantasy works by Carroll, Dunsany, Chesterton, Arabian Nights, Maupassant, Jacobs, (all of whom he anthologized), as well as Tolkien (whom he compared, unfavorably, to Carroll). It was the nature of the work that mattered to him, not if was considered plebeian. You can discuss subgenres and split hairs if you want, but his genre is fantasy. The idea that fantasy is only D&D-like stories is a common misconception.

Most of his work reads like /x/ schizo ramblings.
Not something that I want to rewd every day.

>>24596408
what the fuck is latinx? deci tu pais gil. asi mira "YO ONIONS ARGENTINO".
pero vos en vez de ARGENTINO escribis tu pais. por ejemplo:
YO ONIONS COLOMBIANO.
YO ONIONS MEXICANO
¿You got it?

>>24608736
/x/ is kino if you read most of the threads as short stories in the vein of Borges or Lovecraft, probably my favorite board besides this one

>>24610023
If only they were one thousandth as well-written.

>>24609495
>yo onions
HAHAHAHAHA

>>24607911
realism is literally the most pleb taste

>>24611002
Fantasy fiction sells more than realist fiction.