Thread 24600326 - /lit/ [Archived: 3 hours ago]

Anonymous
8/1/2025, 6:19:51 PM No.24600326
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I get it's a postmodern novel that takes place in New York City, but my goodness, the amount of Yiddish gobbledygook is appalling and not funny.
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Anonymous
8/1/2025, 6:25:31 PM No.24600342
>>24600326 (OP)
We get it, you were filtered
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Anonymous
8/1/2025, 6:57:18 PM No.24600399
>>24600342
Did I say I that I stopped reading it, dipshit?
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Anonymous
8/1/2025, 7:08:17 PM No.24600415
>>24600399
Let’s be honest
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Anonymous
8/1/2025, 7:17:45 PM No.24600424
>>24600415
That you're a closeted faggot? Yeah, I think we can all agree on that. Fuck you.
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Anonymous
8/1/2025, 9:32:36 PM No.24600766
>>24600424
You would not be this upset if I hadn’t spoken the truth
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 9:36:50 PM No.24600779
>>24600342
>It's supposed to be bad
PoMo readers must be the only demographic that thinks this is a valid defense
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 10:10:13 PM No.24600849
probably Pynchon's top 4 novels, I honestly can't stand his earlier novels and really do enjoy his later stuff like IV, ATD and this
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 1:35:34 AM No.24601317
I've been reading tropic of cancer and gentile had been mentioned quite a bit of times.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:16:31 AM No.24601369
Its marking the author as a member of the in-group.
Hey, fellow jew here... don't forget the rules...
which is all that shit is.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:23:20 AM No.24601383
If you need the beats-all-comers "yiddish claptrap" novel of all time in my book list sometimes?
Was given a fucking rec on... "The rabbi something" title. Well? Rabbi investigating a possible murder? What the hell.
at the last page, I realized it. ABsolutely *nothing* had taken place. The eniore paperback? The rabbi runs around his little town, and everyone bar none, comes to him for advice or to tell him how wise he is. He explains "pamphlets" on How to be a Yid 101, whole book.
The mayor can;t make a decision without hi, so does everyone else police chief included come to him.
>
New York Times bestseller, one of the "most important books of the year".
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:23:38 AM No.24601386
I still stand by my theory that this terrible book was ghostwritten and that Pynch is effectively dead or a vegetable. Shadow Ticket will either vindicate me or prove me wrong.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:56:03 AM No.24601415
>>24601386
Inherent Vice and Against the Day are both pretty good, but at that age I guess mental decline can happen pretty fast. Honestly, he didn't need to write anything after Mason & Dixon. Between that and Gravity's Rainbow, he's earned his spot among the greatest writers in American literary tradition. Everything that came after is kinda like everything McCarthy wrote after the Border Trilogy; it's just not necessary
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 3:31:45 AM No.24601484
>>24601386
He (or his family) donated his research materials to some library, dating up to 2020. Probably died before then.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 3:33:20 AM No.24601488
>>24601415
Maybe he just likes writing.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 3:35:33 AM No.24601497
>>24601415
Hmm, The Road was pretty badass and better than the border trilogy though.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 3:36:12 AM No.24601500
>>24601497
you are out of your fucking mind my nigga
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 4:18:58 AM No.24601561
>>24600424
>>24600399
Seething
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 4:31:48 AM No.24601586
>>24600326 (OP)
go back to pol, racist trash. u brown nazis think you have won but this will just usher in more invasive technologies and intelligence changes to clamp down on you lot. it's never been better to be a Jew in America : )
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 4:33:15 AM No.24601589
>>24601497
>The Road
lmaoooooo
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:38:49 AM No.24601988
honestly Inherent Vice and Bleeding Edge are his best books
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:48:19 AM No.24602142
Someday this will get a reading guide/annotations published and it will be at least twice the length of BE, he really went all out on the cultural references, much of it will be lost on anyone under 40. It would probably take a 20 page essay just explain the significance of Jennifer Anniston's hair.
>>24601415
AtD is his best work. Prove you understood it or admit you are retarded.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:16:56 PM No.24602459
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>>24601586
>it's never been better to be a Jew in America
Yeah, all that noticing these days... Never been a better time to be a Jew, sure.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 3:43:22 PM No.24602606
>>24600326 (OP)
>4chan get exposed to postmodernism.
>Immediate becomes about Jews.
This is the IQ watermark of this board lol.
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 2:22:08 AM No.24604520
>>24602142
Stop being contrarian, everyone knows GR is his best
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 2:26:25 AM No.24604530
>>24600326 (OP)
You're antisemitic. Yiddish is a lovely language spoken by beautiful people.
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 2:32:59 AM No.24604551
>>24604520
>Prove you understood it or admit you are retarded.
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 2:36:43 AM No.24604554
>>24604551
It's a pretty straightforward story in terms of message and plot and whatever, he just uses complicated prose to get the point across poetically
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 5:13:02 AM No.24604984
>>24604554
So that is a yes on being retarded?
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 5:13:58 AM No.24604991
>>24600326 (OP)
>the amount of Yiddish gobbledygook
have you not read pynchon before, what's in V? he's always been fully aligned
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 5:15:06 AM No.24604995
>>24604984
You're asking a very easy question
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 5:17:29 AM No.24605003
>>24604995
It was apparently more difficult than you thought, it being rhetorical and all.
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 5:23:18 AM No.24605021
>>24605003
What?
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 5:30:19 AM No.24605041
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>>24605021
Huh? huh ? huh? you are right though
>>24605003
this guy got wrecked hard.
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 5:38:31 AM No.24605067
>>24605041
*sigh* another plotfag filtered
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 5:41:50 AM No.24605080
>>24605021
>So that is a yes on being retarded?
Rhetorical question, meaning it is already answered and the difficulty is in realizing that it was rhetorical. I realize you were talking about the previous question, that was my point. Giving a simplistic summary of "theme" is not a proof of understanding, it is generally within the reach of most anyone to do that which is why high school lit classes and college lit electives put such an emphasis on reducing literature to simplistic themes.

Which is not to say that this sort of reductionism is bad—few authors can manage to write in a way that can appease both extremes and it is a very difficult thing to pull off—just that such reductionism is not understanding.
>>24605041
I think that scene might be the definition of perfection, I literally saw the light bulb light up above Reef's head and we know exactly what is going to happen from the start but he keeps us on the edge of our seat through the entire thing and then Pynchon does a purposefully sophomoric bit of breaking the fourth wall that is insanely complex when tied into the whole. I can't find a fault with it, the execution and pacing is flawless and in this bit childish humor he reminds the reader of a great many import facts regarding the novel.
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 5:43:30 AM No.24605087
>>24605080
idk man you asked what it was about, but that's not a very hard question
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 5:44:53 AM No.24605092
>>24605080
I have not been monitoring this thread and the picture is based on an anon in thoughts general who said his life is hell and literally got knocked to the floor by traumatic memories constantly. I can identify with the dude and made the pic in satire, no basalm like humour. that being said, the fact that people think tis referencing something in the book is another order of magnitude of funny, and though life is hell and i hate it i like little fun moments like this.
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 5:47:20 AM No.24605105
>>24600326 (OP)
Just read Crying of Lot 49 and I mean… honestly: 10/10. Instantly one of the best books I’ve ever read.
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 5:48:07 AM No.24605109
>>24605105
lol
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 5:49:20 AM No.24605111
>>24605109
What’s funny?
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 5:50:31 AM No.24605116
>>24605087
I did not ask what it was about, I made the challenge of proving that you understood it.
>>24605092
Anyone who has read AtD would think that image in a Pynchon thread is a reference to Reef and Mouffette.
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 5:53:01 AM No.24605122
>>24605116
Yes and it's very easy to understand what it's about
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 5:53:19 AM No.24605123
>>24605092
“Mouffette? She’s a papillon . . . a sort of French ladies’ lapdog.”

“A—You say,” gears in his mind beginning to crank, “‘lap’—French . . . lap-dog?” Somehow gathering that Ruperta had trained her toy spaniel to provide intimate “French” caresses of the tongue for the pleasure of its mistress. “Well! you two are . . . pretty close then, I guess?”

“I wuv my ickle woofwoof, ess I doo!” Squeezing the animal tightly, one would think painfully, except for the apparent enjoyment with which Mouffette was fluttering her eyelids.

“Hmm,” said Reef.

“And today I must go across the lake, and the mean old people there won’t allow my ickle pwecious to come with Mummy, and we were both wondering if her good Uncle Reef would look after her for the day, see that she gets her chopped filet and her boiled pheasant, as she’s so particular.”

“Sure, you bet!” His thoughts taking wing. The day alone with a French “lap” dog! who might be more than happy to do for Reef what she was obviously already doing for old ‘Pert here! who in fact, m-maybe all this time’s been just droolin’ for one-them penises for a change, and will turn out to know plenty of tricks! A-and—

It took a while for Ruperta to get her toilette perfect and her bustle out the door. Reef found himself pacing and smoking, and whenever he took a look over at Mouffette could’ve sworn she was fidgeting too. The dog, it seemed to Reef, was giving him sidewise looks which if they’d come from a woman you would have had to call flirtatious. Finally after an extended farewell notable for its amount of saliva exchange, Mouffette slowly padded over to the divan where Reef was sitting and jumped up to sit next to him. Jumping on the furniture was something Ruperta seldom allowed her to do, and her gaze at Reef clearly assumed that he would not get upset. Far from it, what he actually got was an erection. Mouffette looked it over, looked away, looked back, and suddenly jumped up on his lap.

“Oboy, oboy.” He stroked the diminutive spaniel for a while until, with no warning, she jumped off the couch and slowly went into the bedroom, looking back now and then over her shoulder. Reef followed, taking out his penis, breathing heavily through his mouth. “Here, Mouffie, nice big dog bone for you right here, lookit this, yeah, seen many of these lately? come on, smells good don’t it, mmm, yum!” and so forth, Mouffette meantime angling her head, edging closer, sniffing with curiosity. “That’s right, now, o-o-open up . . . good girl, good Mouffette now let’s just put this—yaahhgghh!”

Reader, she bit him. After which, as if surprised at the vehemence of his reaction, Mouffette jumped off the bed and while Reef went looking for an ice bucket, ran off somehow into the vast hotel. Reef chased her for a while but found it was getting him funny looks from the staff.
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 5:54:20 AM No.24605127
>>24605122
But you can not discuss it in the slightest and just keep dancing around the question?
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 5:58:57 AM No.24605140
>>24605127
>>24605122
>>24605116
>>24605087
>>24605080
>>24605021
>>24605003
>>24604995
>>24604984
and it goes on. /lit/ has been boring lately thank you gentleman
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 5:59:02 AM No.24605142
>>24605127
Because it's not an interesting question
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 6:00:03 AM No.24605144
>>24605140
Thanks for the (You)s kind stranger!
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 6:11:12 AM No.24605171
>>24605140
It has been a few months since I have been here and I just want to talk literature. I miss old/lit/, even if the anon was a retard they at least understood that they were anonymous and there were no consequences attached to being a retard and would happily double down endlessly on being a retard instead of just saying "Because it's not an interesting question" and read for the (You)s.
>>24605142
Then explain the significance of Pynchon's simplistic breaking of the forth wall in the above except. If you don't find that interesting there is no way you understood it but at this point I am questioning if you even read it.
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 6:15:17 AM No.24605184
>>24605171
I've been posting like crazy this week and been having a blast. but im about to start a 12 hour shift job so i will go back to being the meat animal i was before until le someday things get better. I know you didnt ask. brain wurms!
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 6:21:25 AM No.24605195
>>24605184
>about to start a 12 hour shift job
4 days on, 4 days off? Think that might be my favorite schedule and think it is far better than the 4 day week most seem to want these days. 4 days off allows for enough time to reset and catchup and still have plenty of time to do those things you want to do.
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 6:25:01 AM No.24605208
>>24605195
4 on 3 off, will get some overtime, and to meet my short term ambition of leaving the country i will need to pick up lots of overtime. Maybe ill do something with the free time i do have. some day. I appreciate the kind intention of comfort though.
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 6:30:25 AM No.24605227
>>24605208
The overtime on that schedule is nice but a 3 day weekend can still be easily ruined by many things. 4 on, 4 off seems to always give you at least one day of freedom to do what ever it is you want with no worry about errands or the like. I did save up a good deal of money when I did the 4 12s, three days off, far more than I saved with 4 on, 4 off, did a two year work vacation after that job. Do you get 8 hours of overtime every week? that is what I got.
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 6:33:24 AM No.24605236
>>24605227
It will vary a bit im sure, but 8 hours ot minus 30 a day for breaks. I will have to pick up more shifts to meet my goal by the time frame i hoped though. Its not work alone thats crushing, work i dont care about to hopefully start the work i do care about someday. How do you deal with spending the majority of your waking energetic time on things you have no passion for and if anything might contribute to things you dont support in the first place?
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 6:43:16 AM No.24605267
>>24605236
The time I spend on things I don't care about enable the time I spend on the things I do care about, This is part of what was so great about the 4 on, 4 off schedule, ridiculously easy to turn your brain off for four days and always have at least a day of brain on even if things happened, but generally I could do all my week's chores and errands in a day, get drunk, and then have three days to focus on what I wanted to focus on. Mostly I just focus on my goals and how having a job works towards those goals. Majority of people who complain about work, have no goals beyond not having to work.
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 11:45:54 AM No.24605817
>I get it's a postmodern novel that takes place in New York City

You didn't get the novel
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 2:27:13 PM No.24606026
>>24605111
Oh nothing, it's just that Sam Hyde doesn't like that book, and for some reason I never have either. It's just kind of like, not a good book. Guys like Sam and me go in for Philip K. Dick or Gene Wolfe instead.
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Anonymous
8/3/2025, 2:41:02 PM No.24606052
>>24606026
Nigger go take your surrogate dad fixation back to /tv/