What does /lit/ think of comics? What are your favourites? Do you regard best of them as high literature? I think that picrel fits the standards

>>24627239 (OP)
Alan Moore's baby bitch occultism is still not what I'd call literary but it is entertaining, far more so than most other sloop paraded in visual mediums.
If you were to ask me if there is one graphic or visual novel that isn't impossibly infantile, though, I would say no. But since I'm developing a sense for art I'd love to be proven wrong.

>What does /lit/ think of movies?
>What does /lit/ think of video games?
>What does /lit/ think of anal sex?

offtopic. fuck off to >>>/co/

I think reading comics and manga stunted my vocabulary. I thought reading them helped me learn how to tell stories, but in fact they just sopped me from learning how to write good prose.

US comics have shit art and they're all gay, too.

>>24627239 (OP)
Picture-books are for children. Fuck off back to your containment board.

I love Saga of The Swamp Thing.

>>24627239 (OP)
It's british comics and writers for me. I don't consider them "high" lit per se, but they are valuable reading and can be very enriching for a writer.

>>24627564
What comics and manga in particular? If they were nothing but capeshit and shonenshit you have nothing to blame but yourself.

>>24627239 (OP)
The graphic novel--the true graphic novel, not the trade paperback--will be the new American novel. We're still in the start of the revolution though, where the human spirit and forces of progress are assembling separate from each other, but in 20 years there will be graphic novels to the level of Faulkner

>>24627239 (OP)
I think Maus is as close to a crossover success you get. It’s mentioned in the context of literature and is the go to example for something transcending kids stuff. Comic fags like Watchmen but it’s only really interesting as commentary on the state of comics themselves (at the time). Judging by Moore’s own commentary anything accidentally interesting was entirely unintended.
I’d count From Hell as a more literary attempt, landing somewhere south of a Holmes tale. He interjects the occult bullshit as usual but it doesn’t actually lead anywhere.
It’s popular in wanky circles to list shit like Persepolis, but it’s only on the list for diversity points.
These discussions always miss out on Euro comics which is a shame. Blueberry is on par with any western drama. Thorgal gets bad but is at the level of a Conan type fairytale. It’s not /literature/ but in the ballpark of genre fiction. Metabarons is interesting as well. I think the Euros try to do more with the visual aspects than US comics.
Scott McCloud’s books on comics made some great points about the unique storytelling options the sequential format has, that neither literature or movies do. But it’s next to impossible to find someone actually using those ideas to some advantage in comics. Most of the time it’s shitty storyboards for a later adaptation.

The problem isn’t gatekeeping “graphic novels” as not-literature, it’s a dearth of talent and having something to say for those who write them. Probably a market problem as well, who’s buying comic books? Write something genuinely over their heads and it’s dead in the water.

I think any medium is capable of producing art on par with the greatest literature. Comics specifically are the worst case scenario, an entire art form crushed by two companies until nothing but serialized slop exists.

You'd have to be a total midwit in order to not be able to recognize the lit aspect of comics.
Besides Watchmen, Maus and similar classics I recommend Grant Morrison's The Filth or his Sea Guy as interesting explorations of the limits of the medium. Also Understanding Comics by McCloud is a pretty cool meta comic.

>>24629221
Captain America with his helmet on gives me downie vibes.

>>24629268
"DOWNIES" ARE ANGELIC ENERGY-BEINGS. THEY ARE COMPOSED OF BENEVOLENCE. WE MUST TREASURE THEM.

>>24627239 (OP)
I liked Uber. I love Akira. But I wouldnt consider them /lit/. Comics got the gay, unfortunately, and it's mostly a medium of looking at pictures.

>>24627239 (OP)
Started reading Melusine recently. It's cozy. I don't think I'd call it high literature THO.

>>24627239 (OP)
My faves are
Saga of Swamp Thing, Watchmen, V for Vendetta and Top 10 by Alan Moore
Doom Patrol, We3, JLA, New X-Men and Batman by Grant Morrison
Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind by Hayao Miyazaki
Berserk by Kentaro Muira
Fantastic Four by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby
X-Men and New Mutants by Chris Claremont
Hellboy by Mike Mignola
Books of Doom by Ed Brubaker
Ronin and Elektra Assassin by Frank Miller
Prophet by Brandon Graham
Cosmic Marvel by Dan Abnett
Marvel 1602, Books of Magic and Sandman by Neal Gaiman
Infinity Gauntlet
Godzilla Half Century War

Love and Rockets is the peak of comics

what do readers think about gamers?

>>24633077
I'm both. I think both are gay.

>>24627239 (OP)
Oh, I like comics a lot. I was reading Savage Sword of Conan just today.