And honestly I don't get the hate at all. I've read the original Greek as well as numerous other translations of both and these are the only ones that accurately capture the spirit of the originals.
They're rhythmic which instantly puts them above almost all other translations
They're elevated without falling into the ornate pseudo-Archaic Latinate trap
They're raw, visceral and direct without being base or simple
Overall, easily the best translations I've read, and most other people I've spoken with who've read the originals agree. I think this board just hates them because she's a woman, an outspoken feminist, and rejects the "poetic" Augustan bullshit totally alien to Homer but favored by most other translators, which I guess means they're "inaccurate" or "middle school" to you all.

>>24628139 (OP)
As someone who's read the original Greek, how do the other main translations rank compared to Wilson?

Bait thread.

kill yourself

>>24628165
She would make a perfect sissy of mine.

>>24628139 (OP)
Cool bait thread, here's your (You)

>>24628163
Fagles is second most accurate
Pope is the least accurate
Lattimore is in-between
>>24628165
>>24628172
>if you disagree with the /lit/ npc hive mind consensus you’re baiting

what's with the pro emily bots

Kek I don't know if you were on /lit/ when Wilson's translation released OP, but if was as exceedingly clear then as it is now that the people complaining about it saw one retarded journo write that it's a "feminist" translation and had a chimp out. It's a fantastic translation and anybody denying that has a room temperature IQ.

>>24628192
I've heard a great number of times that Fagles is fairly inaccurate, and adds poetic lines that simply weren't in the original text. Is this just incorrect?

>>24628139 (OP)
This translation will replace FAGles

>>24628201
why is it fantastic

Im german but learned old greek and read the iliad in the original. I read a little into this translation when it was a meme here and found it indeed terrible, no clue how you would arrive at the conclusion that its the best of them all but admittedly i havent read any other english translation so maybe they are even worse.

>>24628202
He does occasionally add a few words but not whole lines as far as I know. I think he captures Homer’s raw directness and fluidity a lot better than Lattimore though who’s pretty stuffy although word for word more accurate

>>24628139 (OP)
>I've read the original Greek
Something tells me you have not, in fact, read the original Greek.

>>24628223
The tears I shed while reading the teichoscopia would beg to differ

>>24628223
Have you, anon?

>>24628210
>Alexander Pope
Achilles' wrath, to Greece the direful spring
Of woes unnumber'd, heavenly goddess, sing!
That wrath which hurl'd to Pluto's gloomy reign
The souls of mighty chiefs untimely slain;
Whose limbs unburied on the naked shore,
Devouring dogs and hungry vultures tore.
Since great Achilles and Atrides strove,
Such was the sovereign doom, and such the will of Jove!

>Fitzgerald
Anger be now your song, immortal one,
Akhilleus' anger, doomed and ruinous,
that caused the Akhaians loss on bitter loss
and crowded brave souls into the undergloom,
leaving so many dead men—carrion
for dogs and birds; and the will of Zeus was done.
Begin it when the two men first contending
broke with one another— the Lord Marshal
Agamémnon, Atreus’ son, and Prince Akhilleus.

>Fagles
Rage—Goddess, sing the rage of Peleus’ son Achilles,
murderous, doomed, that cost the Achaeans countless losses,
hurling down to the House of Death so many sturdy souls,
great fighters’ souls, but made their bodies carrion,
feasts for the dogs and birds,
and the will of Zeus was moving toward its end.
Begin, Muse, when the two first broke and clashed,
Agamemnon lord of men and brilliant Achilles.

>Lattimore
Sing, goddess, the anger of Peleus' son Achilles
and its devastation, which put pains thousand-fold upon the Achaians,
hurled in their multitudes to the house of Hades strong souls
of heroes, but gave their bodies to be the delicate feasting
of dogs, of all birds, and the will of Zeus was accomplished
since that time when first there stood in division of conflict
Atreus’ son the lord of men and brilliant Achilleus.

>Emily Wilson
Goddess, sing of the cataclysmic wrath of Peleus’ son Achilles,
cause of so much suffering for the Greeks,
that sent many strong souls to Hades,
making men a feast for birds and prey for dogs:
the plan of Zeus was moving to its end –
beginning when those two argued first:
lord Agamemnon and glorious Achilles.

>Verity
SING, goddess, the anger of Achilles, Peleus’ son,
the accursed anger which brought the Achaeans countless
agonies and hurled many mighty shades of heroes into Hades,
causing them to become the prey of dogs and
all kinds of birds; and the plan of Zeus was fulfilled.
Sing from the time the two men were first divided in strife—
Atreus’ son, lord of men, and glorious Achilles.

>Green
Wrath, goddess, sing of Achilles Pēleus’s son’s
calamitous wrath, which hit the Achaians with countless ills—
many the valiant souls it saw off down to Hādēs,
souls of heroes, their selves left as carrion for dogs
and all birds of prey, and the plan of Zeus was fulfilled—
from the first moment those two men parted in fury,
Atreus’s son, king of men, and the godlike Achilles.

>>24628139 (OP)
>honestly I don't get the hate at all
It’s 4chan. She’s a woman.

>>24628195
Shitposting for (You) farming

>>24628209
Because I have no real sense of iambic pentameter and dumping any ten syllables at an eighth grade reading level makes me feel better about that

>>24628243
Green > Fagles > Lattimore >Fitzgerald = Verity > Wilson > Pope

>>24628322
Please justify.

>>24628325
Purely on reading pleasure. Otherwise known as subjective. I just hate Pope because his poetry sucks and I’ve actually read the whole translation by him and it’s not the Iliad.

>>24628329
Why does his poetry suck even if you disregard his infidelity

>>24628139 (OP)
>Signed by the author
how did they manage that??

>>24628201
She specifically talks about "toxic masculinity" in her Q&As about her translation, retard.

>>24628139 (OP)
who on the achaean side injured aphrodite and ares?

if you can't answer this you haven't read the book

>>24628357
Are you saying Emily Wilson’s translations of Homer aren’t heckin based and MAGA-coded?
Libtards haven’t even been owned?
Ugh. Count me out.

if you haven't recited from memory the entire work in the original greek then you haven't read it. full stop

>>24628332
It’s of the pointless style of his time. Unspecific and meandering. Can’t blame him too much, most things written in his period have rather horrendous prose

>>24628165
Seriously the wilson threads are getting ridiculous at this point. No amount of astroturfing will make them worth reading.

>>24628165
>millions of chuds have lost sleep fuming at this boomer lady

>>24628398
>Based! Girlboss coded feminist rewrites to own the conservatives! I can't wait to have the read at the next dragqueen story hour! Imagine my religious father's jaw!
"Argument" fit for a woman. You don't belong here.

>>24628437
Maybe it’s not about seeing it through an ideological lens at all, mongoloid

Before I, an intellectual, read any book, I always ask myself:
Is this based?
Would /pol/ approve?

>>24628479
No shit, sherlock. Tell that to wilson. Tell that to yourself.
>i-im not an ideologue
I bet you have a subscription to the new york times lmao

>>24628485
It’s all in your head

>>24628416
Thank you

kys shill

Attention /pol/, Wilson is /ourgirl/. If you do a sexism towards her, you will be severely punished. We are waiting on her new Odyssey timed to the Zendaya Odyssey, and then she's going to the the Aeneid for the Zendaya Aeneid. But the real gem will be the Wilson Bible, and her accessible language rewrite of Paradise Lost and the Canterbury Tales, or her Divine Comedy. A Wilson-only classics curriculum is the future.

>>24628192
>Pope is the least accurate
how is the mlp horses more accurate

>>24628243
>no cowper and chapman

>>24628243
I thought Wilson's was in iambic pentameter?

>>24628192
>Fagles and Wilson more accurate than Lattimore
You cannot have read the original Greek.

>>24629280
>>24628243
>Goddess, sing
Retards think anything vaguely ten syllables is 'iambic pentameter.' In reality, you can be poetic in English or accurate to the Greek. If you're blessed by Kalliope, you can do both.

Emily Wilson does neither.

>tattoos

>>24629269
awful b8

>>24629270
That’s one kind of quirky translation choice of a few names whereas Pope is barely even the same book

>>24629286
Have you? Or did someone just tell you Lattimore is “the most accurate”?

>>24628195
easiest bait on /lit/

>>24629343
>proem too widely known for a clean translation
>picrel, Iliad 1.17-25, from Attikos

My translation (before reviewing any translations):

Sons of Atreus, and other well-greaved Achaeans,
To you may the gods holding [/having] homes on Olympus grant
To fully plunder the city of Priam, and to return well homewards;
But release my beloved child to me and receive the ransom,
Standing in awe of Apollo, the far-shooting son of Zeus.
Whereupon all the other Achaeans shouted assent
Both to respect the priest and receive the glorious ransom.
But it did not please the inclination of Agamemnon son of Atreus,
And he sent him away spitefully, and prescribed a harsh speech:

Note: I neither publish nor am paid for my translations, so a first draft need not be as polished as Wilson's final draft should be.

Wilson's 'translation'
>"Sons of Atreus, and all you other warriors from Greece, I pray the gods who live on Mount Olympus allow you to destroy King Priam's city and safely reach your homes - if you return my darling child to me, Accept this ransom, and satisfy Apollo, son of Zeus, the god who shoots and strikes from far away." Then all the other Greeks agreed to take the lavish ransom and respect the priest. But this proposal did not please the heart of Agamemnon, son of Atreus. He spoke to him aggressively and sent him harshly away.

My commentary
>omission of 'well-greaved' - nearly unforgivable violation of Homeric epithets
>King Priam - 'king' is unnecessary and a reduction of the complexity of Homeric titles
>if you return - Chryses's wish of their well being is not contingent on the return of his daughter - implied, yes, but the language is diplomatic, not supposed to explicitly attack their honor
>god who shoots and strikes from afar - unnecessarily long; also incorrectly in apposition to Zeus, not Apollo
>lavish - the root meaning of ἀγλαός is bright or shining; 'glorious' is about as far as you can push it; 'lavish' is incorrect
>spoke and sent - unnecessary and confusing reversal of the Greek order of the verbs

>>24629343
>>24629438
So yes, I have.
That picrel includes Lattimore's translation.

>>24629438
Nta but Wilson’s is way better than Lattimore’s which is totally unnatural chudslop. Wilson just has a spicy flow

>>24629438
I found it very interesting that when Agamemnon seized Briseis from Achilles there's no claim that a god put it into his heart or made him act contrary to his will, but much later in his reconciliation with Achilles he recounts the tale of Ate's banishment by Zeus and claims Zeus drove him to act foolishly. It made me wonder if Greeks contemporaneously would have understood "Zeus made man do thing" and "Man did thing" as the same, such as when Zeus is said to have made Hector afraid and flee from Patroclus after he kills Sarpedon.

>>24629511
>It made me wonder if Greeks contemporaneously would have understood "Zeus made man do thing" and "Man did thing" as the same
I hope not, since it's relevant to what I think is one of the most important points of the poem: when Achilles offers the truce in order for Troy to give Hector a proper burial. None of the gods ever told Achilles to do that, nor did Priam request it. It was 100% Achilles' idea, and was his final redemption.

>>24629480
ItS aLl AbOuT tHe ViBeS mAn
>>24629511
Agamemnon takes Briseis because otherwise his honor would be impinged. Agamemnon, as the leader of the confederation of Greek warlords, is the first among equals, but he is first. If he were alone among the chieftains without a geras, he would be last among equals. He later claims Zeus drove him thus as a way to save face (both for himself and that Achilles may graciously accept, even if both know Agamemnon was fully responsible).
The single most interesting idea I have come across in modern Homeric scholarship is that Zeus/necessity ('ananke') is the historically accepted version of the events. Even if the Homeric bard spinning his own version of the story really likes Sarpedon and saves him, what is to stop another bard from saving their favorite hero (which is what Hera threatens to Zeus, with the gods the stand in for bards)? What happens if a bard saves Hector? Troy never falls. The story is unspun.
John Tzetzes, in his Allegories of the Iliad, explains what he (as a 12th century Byzantine scholar) believes various supernatural events mean, albeit from a Christian perspective. For instance, Athena aiding Diomedes is wisdom in battle. Apollo and Poseidon destroying the wall is the effect of time (sun cycles) and the sea. There is also astrology (eg 'favored by Zeus' = 'born under Jupiter). That might help (loosely) approximate possible contemporaneous beliefs. There's a recent (and first) English translation.

>>24629560
>John Tzetzes
Interesting stuff

>>24629480
unironically kys

>>24629438
How does Pope compare?

>>24628410
>original greek
no need
>In 1726, historian Joseph Spence praised the translation as, in some ways, an improvement over the Homeric Greek, citing his use of epithets, allusion, and vivid imagery.

>>24629632
He adds many words to fit heroic verse. I would not consider it a translation so much as an adaptation, but I do like it in its own quaint way. The arguments (summaries) he provides are quite helpful, as the main plot gets obscured in never-ending lines of text (you can imagine the original Greek bards would differentiate speeches and plot, even if only by pausing for breath).

>>24628201
>Odysseus is complicated, mmkay?

bravo...

>>24629659
I meant to add picrel

>>24629643
Joseph Spence was a retard

>>24628243
Pope is the best
"Accuracy" is for homos

>>24629623
Unironically go back. We are so tired of illiterate triggered /pol/flakes who can’t read anything except through the chud eyeglasses. We do not want you here. You cannot read.

>>24630013
not a /pol/tard, but her translation sucks.

>>24630020
Ok. Outside of chudchan, the majority of people disagree

>>24630056
Majority of people usually have a poor literary taste.

>>24630056
The majority of people are retarded about everything; and here most of all if you‘re expecting me to believe that the people commenting have actually comparatively read translations of Homer. She‘s a laughingstock in classical studies artificially propped up by flattering coverage and the eternally recurring retardation that kids will put down their video games if you make the canon less impressive for their fried little brains.

>>24629666
>Jove
>Chryseïs
>Phœbus
>Atrides
A bizarre mix of French, Latinisms, and Hellenisms. English truly is an inferior, less-than-barbaric tongue incapable of translating anything. To the garbage bin of history it goes.

>>24630087
refuted by borges

>>24630062
Sure, in a general sense, which is why you yourself usually read Brandon Sanderson. But when it comes to titles that are already filtering out the average reader, no.
It’s like the way Roger Ebert would rate slop by slop standards, and real movies by real movie standards. Yes, there are more slop enjoyers than real movie enjoyers. But they are not at issue. The real readers, from critics to everyone else, rate her translation. It is exclusively in echo chambers like here that you have people either outright seething at her for being a “postmodern foid!!” or pretending, like you, to have an objective opinion while trashing her for no other reason than she’s a woman. It’s not because of the translation.
>>24630079
All headcanon

>>24630095
>easily manipulated by senile flattery
That is why your countries are being replaced. Good riddance.

>>24630095
borges thought german was the ideal language

>>24630099
I dislike Brando Sando. He's actually on the same side as Emily Wilson for me. The brainless, tasteless plebeian choice. I hope you're just baiting for your own good.

>>24630113
You lost.

I hope the chuds on here know that everyone else is laughing at them and how easily triggered they get. Y’all have been seething for like almost a decade because one woman translated the Odyssey LMAO

>>24630116
what?

>>24630536
>Emily Wilson disrespecter can’t decipher a two-worded sentence
Many such cases

>>24630531
Caroline Alexander's Iliad translation came out before yours, Emily. You're not the first woman to translate Homer into English.

>>24630541
Anne Dacier translated the Iliad in 1699.
Pope used her Odyssey to make his.

>>24630536
You. Lost.

>>24629511
A similar thing seems to happen in the Odyssey when Poseidon causes something and Odysseus attributes it to Zeus. It could be intentional irony, it could be a theologically providential thing like you're suggesting, or it could be both, although intentionally doubling those readings seems possibly unlikely to me

>>24630536
Sis just got mindbroken from a lil light banter. She's probably on her period

>>24631138
>She's probably on her period
makes sense

>>24631124
I don't remember that happening, but I do remember it's said it was the will of Zeus for Helen to have no more children. Poseidon is remarkably absent from the Odyssey, for example it's not clear that Odysseus' imprisonment on Ogygia was something Poseidon caused or cared about as he's not consulted when Odysseus is eventually freed and his reaction to the aid provided to Odysseys is neither considered nor mentioned until he turns the Phaeacian ship into stone.

Every comparative excerpt I've read between Fagles and Wilson, and the troony Reddit candour of the people who love this new translation tells me everything I need to know.

>>24630536
¿No hablas ingles?

>>24630541
Imagine proto-/lit/chuds seething at that lmao

>>24628243
As a non-european, Pope's seems the best to me.

>>24628322
Cosigning this. Green is clearly more accurate than Fagles but both are close and read well.

>>24628416
>rather horrendous prose
Lyric is explicitly not prose, you slope-browed cretin.

>>24633548
Easy pal, you're talkin to a lady