Thread 24663229

>>24663229 (OP)
Cigarettes have a heavy, almost narcotic or drunken effect. Smokeless tobacco is better for reading because it wakes you up, like the feel of a really good coffee buzz kicking in but extended for as long as you want.
>tfw reading Anthony Trollope on the front porch while spitting snuff-juice over the bannister
Good feel

>>24663231
Yeah, this. Cigarettes hit too hard and last too little, you can tell they're engineered to get you addicted instead of reading.
I dip some tobacco after my morning coffee and using that high to read is one of life's nicest pleasures.

I fucking loved nicotine because it was like coffee 2.0 for me, caffeine gave me the base state of alertness and borderline stimulant mania and then caffeine gave me the nitro micro-boosts of dopamine flood "lights-turning-on" feeling that made me feel like a god while doing creative work

But about a year into it I realized the addition of nicotine had somehow ruined my enjoyment of caffeine as a quasi-stimulant, somehow it was just the necessary baseline now instead of a guaranteed morning of manic flow, and the nicotine itself became the bare minimum necessity in a much worse way. It blunted the true creativity and turned me into an ADHD "task-finisher" faggot.

I think I got lucky because cold turkeying nicotine sucked for less than a week and then I immediately began feeling better, more energetic, but above all and most importantly, like my real self again.

It really is true that it's only REALLY good for the first week, and after that it's just getting you back to your baseline since it has depressed your baseline. That first week is amazing though and I have no doubt that if I had a smoke right now I'd get that "world suddenly lit up" rush. But it is also an empirical fact that I did NOT get that rush, EVER, for the year that I smoked. It just became a necessity to have nicotine in my system.

People who are better at controlling themselves and having just a couple smokes a day as a ritual may have better experiences but that wasn't me. Also, I think I lucked out in that I never did the "obvious" thing and chased the manic rush feeling by taking higher and higher doses every time it stopped happening with my current dose. Everybody else I knew did this and quitting was much harder for them.

>>24663266
>and then caffeine gave me the nitro micro-boosts
Meant to say, and then nicotine gave me that.

>>24663229 (OP)
Absolutely, but it is important to not take them every time (like >>24663266 said). At some point you can't read without them and it becomes the base line. I try to switch between cigars, pipe and cigarettes (though the first 2 don't even come close to a buzz) and trying to mostly smoke cigs when thinking about the readings.
Cigs give a incredible feeling for 10 minutes. It isn't worth to spent that on reading, but more on thinking about the book. Especially these Nabokov or Bernhard books feel a lot more understandable after making the final conclusion with a little nic.

>>24663229 (OP)
gross

Nothing gets me in the mood for reading like being short of breath, stinky, dizzy, and sick feeling.

>>24663828
I myself cannot read near Indians

You can tell non-smokers by how they talk about them as if there's some kind of strong narcotic drug. Like little boys sneaking a Dunhill from their father's pack, then discussing how light-headed it made them.

Quit playing around, kids, it's a bad habit.

>>24663849
Yup.

>>24663828
Sounds like you're doing it wrong.

>>24663861
They're*

>>24663266
You're just describing the phenomenon usually referred to as "tolerance", where the longer you use something, the less pronounced its effects are.

I must never start smoking because I could never stop it. I started masturbating at 13 or 14 and never stopped. I started drinking when I was 17 and never stopped. I only have sex without condoms. Even though I want to larp as a poor Parisian intellectual in the 70s I cannot and will not start smoking. God help me.

>>24663880
Smart.

>>24663229 (OP)
You used the wrong image op, you're supposed to show heroin

>>24663880
I don't understand how people can get addicted. I had a few cigarette in December, and then no more until around in June and July I had a couple. It's not a habit or a big deal, you can just stop doing it whenever you feel like it. Maybe I just have superior self control.

>>24663879
yea, don't all drugs work that way. that said, wouldn't the ten-minute high of cigarettes sidestep what that lad was experiencing. quick bursts of inspiration then subsiding to a 'normal' baseline, assuming you don't smoke a pack a day. it seems to me like the traditional cig is the ideal intake form, speaking from no experience

>>24663880
Have you contracted HPV from your unprotected romps yet, brother?

>>24663904
I like to pretend I'm better than others for fleeting hits of dopamine, too.

>>24663906
Ideal , method is probably pipe or cigar, since you're not inhaling and da,aging your lungs.

>>24663915
It's mostly Indian exchange students, so probably that is the least of my problems.

>>24663229 (OP)
I smoke pure tobacco. I fucking love it. It's different from smoking pre-rolled cigarettes. The taste is very different (much better) and the buzz is stronger, but lighter due to the lack of the shit they put in cigarettes. And they last. Last much longer.
Look at this shit.

>>24663921
Brand?

>>24663921
I want to try it but I'm too lazy to learn anything or figure out where or how to buy it or go anywhere. Can you come to my house and bring me some? You have to roll it in front of me so I know you didn't cum in it, and also roll yourself one and then let me swap them randomly so I know you didn't touch the papers you used for mine to your dick or asshole or anything.

>>24663921
based same as me bro. only exception is when I'm too drunk or days too windy to prevent the tobacco from flying all over my jeans. i don't even use proper filters anymore. just gerrics. just two smokes a day to capstone the sunrise and sunset.

>>24663927
It's a South American brand.
>>24663930
YouTube is your friend.

>>24663930
how hard can it be to roll paper around some shreds and seal it

>>24663948
How hard can it be to read my post you little fucking indian?

>>24663948
Amazingly hard for some, but my experience comes from marijuana smokers, who skew stupid.

>>24663953
>>24663953
Meds

>>24663959
You are now panicking. Stop and face me like a man.

>>24663945
Looks impossible to get here. I'm inspired to order this on a whim. Normally I smoke Marlboro.

>>24663982
You won't regret it, anon. Do it.
Buy rolling papers too. The ones they use for weed are the best ones for tobacco too.

>>24663930
I was always bad at it, possibly as a consequence of the fact that I smoke like 20 cigarettes a year, but recently found out they sell pre-rolled empty cigarettes with a filter which I got like 200 of for $3. You can also buy a little funnel to make filling easier if you‘ll be doing it a lot.

>>24663989
I have these but I think I'd go back to something more traditional like a zigzag instead of rice paper for tobacco.

I need to quit smoking a pack a day of store-bought cigarettes, take 6 months without any nicotine, and then reintroduce high quality stuff as an occasional treat, and see if I have the willpower to stick to that, I think

>>24664014
I will only quit tobacco when I'm dead.

>>24664049
I watched a family member slowly die of COPD. It's the most foul and disgusting way to go. He was confined to a chair and had a commode next to him because he couldn't walk to the bathroom without being winded. Constant hacking and phlegm. Horrifying and foul beyond measure. I lack the constitution for suicide, probably even in a situation like that, so I'm going to try and cut down substantially, if not quit altogether. It's quite nice, though. Having some cafe bustello with cream and a Marlboro red right now.

>>24664014
A pack a day is so insane to me, if I smoke more than 5 or 6 a day I feel like shit

I'm planning to take up smoking once I'm over 60. At that point I will have already lived a pretty full healthy life so even if tobacco is harder on my older body, its delayed effects won't hit until I'm basically dead from old age anyway.

>>24664118
I've quit before, even went to those gay ass vapes (which actually made a big difference in how I felt upon waking due two less inflammation and phlegm), but I pretty much feel the same regardless. I don't get a buzz, or anything like that, from cigarettes, but they feel "relaxing", though I imagine that is mostly just a result of the cessation of desire due to nicotine dependence.

>>24664118
my dad got up to three

Shame it makes you stink like shit.

>>24664187
I used to work in a machine shop that allowed indoor smoking. The CNCs were oil cooled, so you'd randomly be smoking and notice a giant white plume of smoke, and it'd be that a drop of oil got on your cigarette and the ember finally burnt down to it. I'll probably get some kind of turbo cancer from all the workplace and self-induced chemicals and debris I've inhaled over the years. I got up two two packs a day during that time, since I could smoke all day. Still, as a heavy smoker 3 packs is pretty wild. Known plenty of old timers who did, though.

>>24664219
ppl who smoke smell good, it makes your house smell like shit. stale smoke is what's ass. fresh from a smoke break smells nice.

>>24664014
religious pothead???

>>24664299
My fallen nature.

Don't smoke don't drink. Simple as

>>24664422
Smart, if you can hack it. A strong man needs little more than bread, water and sunlight.

>>24663866
*Thair

>>24664431
>bread and water
Not nutritionally balanced enough.

>>24664451
was making an epicurean point about self-imposed sort of low level asceticism, not literally living on bread and water.

Smoking cigarettes is for the uneducated masses. Take the pipe pill.