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Anonymous No.24700280 [Report] >>24700911 >>24701975 >>24701995 >>24702011 >>24702411
If every event has a sufficient reason, does that rule out free will?
Anonymous No.24700911 [Report] >>24700936 >>24702293
>>24700280 (OP)
Can you explain the difference between having and not having free will?
I don't understand how someone does not have free will.
Anonymous No.24700936 [Report] >>24700972 >>24701038
>>24700911
not having free will means you are not in control of your destiny, maybe your father wished for you to be a doctor but nah you want to be a dentist
Anonymous No.24700972 [Report] >>24701404
>>24700936
The latter sentence doesn't actually disprove free will
Anonymous No.24701038 [Report]
>>24700936
You don't know what destiny is
Anonymous No.24701404 [Report] >>24701416
>>24700972
if you have free will, you can choose a different path, maybe deciding to become a dentist instead, because that’s what feels right to you. Free will is about making choices that reflect your desires, values, and goals, rather than being pushed along by someone else’s expectations or by forces outside of your control.

Illness, accidents, or where you were born (country, time period) can completely change your life path without your choice.

Your parents’ values, religion, and culture strongly shape how you see the world, often before you’re even aware of it.

Childern doesn't have free choiceو a child might want to stay up late playing video games, but their parents send them to bed at 9 PM.

Parents often pick what their young children wear, especially for school or special events.

You don’t get to choose your natural talents, intelligence level, height, or many aspects of your personality they’re shaped by biology.

Someone might dream of traveling the world, but if they don’t have money, their “choice” is limited.
Anonymous No.24701416 [Report]
>>24701404
>choiceو
That's not a comma lmao you dumb arab
Anonymous No.24701975 [Report]
>>24700280 (OP)
Time is an illusion
But seriously, it is a pointless question
You cannot know the system from within it if the system decides you are not to know
Anonymous No.24701995 [Report]
>>24700280 (OP)
no because free will was also planned in, so it's + -=0
Anonymous No.24702011 [Report]
>>24700280 (OP)
Nah dawg the sufficient reason for free will is free will itself
Anonymous No.24702293 [Report] >>24702325 >>24702365
>>24700911
>not having free will
Everything is predetermined from the start. Event A happend, which inevitably leads to event B, which inevitably leads to event C and so on.
If there was an entity at any point in time, that would know everything happening at that point in time, it would automatically know everything about the past, but also everything about the future. Everything is just causality.
1. Every event has a cause according to natural laws.
2. Human thoughts, choices, and actions arise from brain activity, which is a physical process.
3. The brain, like all physical systems, follows deterministic causal chains.
4. Therefore, human decisions are the necessary outcomes of prior causes, not free from them.


>having free will
Someone is thinking that he is not part of that causality. Thinking he chooses his desires by himself.

"a puppet possessed of life could not conceive of themselves as puppets. Not when they are fixed with a conscious that excites in them the unshakable sense of being singled out from all other objects in creation. Once you begin to feel you are making a go of it on your own - that you are making moves and thinking thoughts which seem to have originated within you - it is not possible for you to believe you are anything but your own master"
Anonymous No.24702325 [Report] >>24702349
>>24702293
Anonymous No.24702349 [Report]
>>24702325
This, Spinoza figured it all out
Anonymous No.24702365 [Report]
>>24702293
Excellent explanation
Anonymous No.24702411 [Report]
>>24700280 (OP)
Only empirical free will, as every volition must have a corresponding empirical motive, just as every empirical change a corresponding cause, as dictated by the princinple of sufficient reason.
Transcendental free will is what remains after transcending all our empirically motivated volitions, which are but its shadows, and are left with our intelligible though intangible will, which is what Kant calls the intelligibile character, as opposed to the empirical character.