Thread 24707421

i recall seeing an atheist lit chart. But I can’t find it. Anyone have it?

>>24707421 (OP)
It's not 2003 anymore. Atheism is off the charts cringe right now. What is in is total indifference to religion at all. Not /lit/ tho, /lit/ is an idealist metaphysics board.

Yeah I took a picture of my screen and posted it on mobile, fuck you, smd nigga

>>24707442
TOUCHDOWN!

>>24707450
One of the greatest games ever rn

>>24707451
Here we go...

>>24707442
On topic: Lawrence Krauss is a creep.
>>24707451
What a game. Holy shit.

>>24707479
Yeah rip the fans that left early

>>24707430
not OP but it's kind of hard to be indifferent to religion when religion informs the decisions of policymakers so strongly, and I live my life as a gay man with transgender siblings

>>24707430
It's not 2016 anymore gramps, being atheist is sensible. Religion is more cringe with the copious amounts of trad larpers. It's been a clown show out here with the reddit cathies.

>>24707545
Every time.

>>24707573
That thing belongs to the debate bro theists now. It's pretty ironic that Jay Dyer/Andrew Wilson/whatever faggot christlarping cringelord fits the fedora wearing geek stereotype far more than any nonbeliever ever did

>>24707430
>believe in jewish mythology or you're cringe
No, I don't think I will.

>>24707573
Tradcels are literally the exact same phenomenon as fedoras. Why do you think stuff like the hat and katanas were even a symbol? Because it was just autistic dorks with anachronistic sensibilities.

>>24707545
Catholics or Cathars...be more specific perhaps?

>>24707479
>A universe from nothing
Wow the absolute hubris

>>24707646
>>24707831
This. Wearing a tin crusader helm made in India for your vaporwave "MAKE NO PEACE WITH EVIL" Instagram posts is functionally no different from pic related.

>>24707421 (OP)
Forget atheism, just be a pansy agnostic and read Some Mistakes of Moses by Robert Ingersoll

The problem with fedora vs tradcath is that the arguments are fundamentally not about the existence of god. Atheists don’t know what “god” is outside of a narrow deist entity which was invented in the 17th century, which yea, of course that doesn’t exist. Tradcaths are obsessed with American culture wars and their faith is a fig leaf to justify their disgust of/sense of superiority over their fellow human beings.

“Atheism” is just a natural response to two things: the complete memory-holing of 1500 years of classical theology by modern Christianity (and philosophy) in favor of worshipping a demiurge/Old Testament Bronze Age deity, along with a crude sort of Arian notion of Christ (among a hundred other retarded things that have happened). This has made Christianity appear weak to facile arguments about science disproving god because animals evolve and the universe was once in a hot, dense state.

Tradcath OTOH has not memory-holed the theology (insofar as many Wikipedia articles were consumed in the honeymoon phase post-conversion) for the purposes of being annoying dweebs, having Athanasius as an avi on Twitter to look intelligent and pious, and perfecting their act of being an insufferable Pharisee. The intellectual and moral bankruptcy of tradcath along with a decade+ of trumpism will in turn cause the wheel to come round in a few years and le fedora atheism will rise again because everyone will think religion is being a guy with a St. John of the cross avatar arguing for apartheid segregation or whatever.

What I really wanna see in these threads is a theist and materialist, both who know Aristotle and Pseudo-Dionysus really well argue it out. Not fucking Richard Dawkins vs guy who wants to do a holocaust to trannies.

>>24707442
> origin of species
It literally ends with darwin thanking the Creator for the beauty of the nature. Ultimate proof people who do these chart don't even read them.

>>24707646
>>24707831
>2 responses
>Both are "no you" as a response to pointing out fedoras always resort to no you
Poetry.

>>24707421 (OP)
There's 7 or so of them in the charts mega.

>>24707822
>im gonna worship science, instead

>>24708566
This guy doesn't even fit the fedora archetype, and yes, you're literally the exact same, thinking you're more intelligent than the sheeple... I mean NPCs. Seethe and sneed.

>>24709189
The fedora archetype is the visual depiction of a mental reality (thus the words on the poster). But yea all the atheists in high school I knew in like 2011 looked like this guy because that’s what 15 year old boys looked like circa peak-fedora. Actually wearing the fedora required autism of some kind.

>>24707442

>worships science.
>never puts Popper on the list.

>>24709198
So does posting here

>>24709189
is having online debates the only criterion for being fedora? I would have thought what made internet atheists ridiculous was their complete lack of self awareness in terms of both philosophy and aesthetics. i'd sooner compare them to 2016 maga types, although they had some reasonably cool figureheads with gavin mciness and that homo milo

Where does this meme that "the fedora atheists lost" even come from? Atheism continues to increase faster than any religion. There are more atheists now than 10 years ago. Christianity is the fastest dying religion. There is no great Christian revival and atheism hasn't gone anywhere.
Posting menes about a hat didn't actually do anything to stop the decline of religion and the increase of atheism. Can Christian anons here tell me why you're still posting this cope cringe shit?

>>24709255
This man is ugly...and is you... therefore...lost

>>24709189
>responds to a post, responding to the fact he responded to a "you always 'no you'" post with a no you, with yet another "no you"
You fedoras are next level retarded.

>>24709255
>>24709288
>fedora still makes them seethe
LOL!

>>24709455
Why cant you answer the question?

>>24709471
>engage with my nonsense!
Lol, k.
>it's just a meme that fedoras lost
It was a fad, bro. The church is 2000 years old.
>Christianity is dying
Church attendance is increasing fueled by Gen Z.
>social conformity says fedora tipping
So much for being free-thinking rebels, lol.
>i-its cringe
Pic-related.

>>24707430
/lit/ is midwit personified. There are anons here who think evolution is too complicated so God did it all. There are anons here who think all evil is part of God's plan, which means it all serves the ultimate good, so evil doesn't even exist. Why? Because God, of course! God is like the magic bottomless well of credulity where anything too hard to think about can just be attributed to the magic concept and then you don't have to think about it any more. And /lit/ eats it up. THAT is the true cringe.

>>24710097
Theists keep referencing Gen Z, but where is the evidence for that? The only consistent trend is Christianity downwards and non-religious upwards.

>>24709455
>fedora
>Trilbies
>Trilbies everywhere

>>24709174
Yes. Have faith in the science

>>24707421 (OP)
Here's yer "atheist lit chart", ya maddafucka you

>>24707421 (OP)
I don't have a full chart, but I'll list my top 10 books for you that I've enjoyed on my philosophical journey.

--New Atheist staples:
God is Not Great
The God Delusion
The End of Faith

--Polemics against the Bible/Christianity:
The Age of Reason
Some Mistakes of Moses
The Future of an Illusion

--Counter narratives to theism
The Golden Bough
The Problems of Philosophy
An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding
On The Nature of the Universe

>>24710177
>Theists
They're rent free with you retards.
>keep referencing Gen Z, but where is the evidence for that?
Lol
>The only consistent trend
2000 years.

>>24710228
>Chart shows the 80s and 90s
lol. lmao.

>>24708335
>a guy with a St. John of the cross avatar arguing for apartheid segregation or whatever.
just the other day i came across the channel of a "christian platonist" arguing there are platonic forms of race and you shouldn't racemix because it weakens the soul

>>24710228
Oh wow, so instead of 22% attending church, now 25% attend church! A figure from one source which is dubious at best.

Meanwhile multiple sources show that the total percentage of the population reporting themselves as "Christian" is in open free fall.

The New Atheists won the debate. Their legacy is undeniable. People are disassociating from Christianity in droves.

>>24708335
As soon as you neuter "God" into a kind of Spinozian "sum total of the universe", the atheist has already won.

>a universe form nothing
>I'm gonna worship science instead of desert jew on a stick

Yeah yeah yeah. Atheist here.
There is in fact scientific evidence of an afterlife and the elites have been hiding it for generations. The Big Bang is a myth and quantum space proves it. (It also proves you have agency/free will). Space isn't empty and was never created from "nothing" by some deity or whatever it is big-bangers believe triggered the Nothing to birth their cosmology, it just always has been there.

>>24707421 (OP)
>better angels of our nature by stephen pinker
>The God Delusion by Dawkins
>God is Not Great by Hitchens
>God and the State by Bakunin

>>24710263
>Oh wow, so instead of 22% attending church, now 25% attend church
Correct. You were wrong, retard.
>The New Atheists won the debate.
Lol, no.
>Their legacy is undeniable.
Come back in 2000 years and let us know about that "legacy". Meanwhile, why don't you post about science when you don't even know basic calculus and parrot the conflict thesis while not even knowing it's called the conflict thesis.

>>24707545
>Religion is more cringe with the copious amounts of trad larpers.
this.
I can't believe this board is so slow on the uptake. Jesus Christ, tradcucks are the most pathetic shit I've ever seen. I don't even dislike my family who is modestly catholic, I even have uncles who work at the church. But what you see online is simply cringe, it's the equivalent of what atheism and fedoras were in their time.

Most people are atheistic now, simply. It's automatic, it's simply what you are taught and what is seen with all the exposure basic science has. And I hate the "I HECKING LOVE SCIENCE" mob too.

>>24710284
That level of change is basically in the margin of error, retard, nothing like the 90% to 63% change that took place in basically 20 years.

In 2000, Christianity won't even exist as anything other than yet one other set of primitive myths and superstitions.

>when you don't even know basic calculus
lol what kind of retarded cope is this?

>>24710263
NTA but the data doesn't prove New Atheists won the debate. The trend was clearly occurring well before the fedora subculture or the release of the God Delusion.
It's rather bold to assume that normal people pay much attention to religious or academic debates at all.

I think a better explanation is that secular and Christian views have diverged heavily and that's forced people into one camp or the other. "Christian" now implies certain ethical and political views, even if it's not necessarily the case that all Christians abide by them.

I'd also argue that "religiously unaffiliated" doesn't mean atheist. I think we've all met people that posses a vague spirituality that mixes some aspects of Christianity with superstition, karma, and Western folkloric elements like ghosts and magic.

>>24710322
>vague spirituality that mixes some aspects of Christianity with superstition, karma, and Western folkloric elements
I honestly think this is going to be the default in the future. The average person needs religion, but will be repulsed from christianity due to distrust of authority and its weaponization in the culture wars. You will be "manifesting", not praying

>>24710297
>Christianity won't even exist as anything other than yet one other set of primitive myths and superstitions
Christians generally have higher TFRs than other religions or the religiously unaffiliated and they're above replacement for almost all denominations. Some Christian subgroups like the Amish have extremely high TFRs and have been growing rapidly. This tracks with trends in other countries where highly religious communities generally reproduce a lot. In Israel for example, the Haredi community was initially small but has ballooned in size and shows no signs of slowing down. They're already about 16% of the country and are on track to be a third of the population in 30 - 40 years.

So it's possible, by the year 2000, the world will be dominated by ultra-religious factions or that we might experience such an epoch on the way to that distant time period.

People have simply assumed that a desire to have children is innate and not something that needs to be cultivated through ideology and economics. Atheism doesn't present a strong pro-natal case and may suffer for it.

>>24710333
People are just fine with authority in every other area of life so I struggle to see why they would have a problem with it when it comes to their faith. I think it's more that personal spirituality is simply less demanding. Christianity practically requires communal involvement and Bible study. This sounds silly but the frustration of having to actually do something - anything at all - as part of one's faith was depicted quite a lot in TV shows back in the day. The joke was that only a lazy lout like Homer would have a problem with this but then everyone became Homer.

>>24710322
There seems to be a very clear and consistent uptick from about 2006 onward, the publication date of The God Delusion and the general height of the New Atheist cultural influence.

I'd argue that even the trend of people dropping "Christianity" but keeping spirituality is a sign of how thoroughly the culture shifted against the label "Christian". It seems undeniable that this has happened, since the data bears it out, it's just a matter of how much you want to attribute to the New Atheists, the most vocal group pushing for exactly that.

>>24710354
Christianity has one of the highest rates of apostasy though, and in terms of world religions, I believe Islam is outpacing it in growth.

The point is that religions are cultural, and it is clear that Christian cultures move forward and past Christianity, so fertility rate is irrelevant, the seeds are there in Christianity of its own demise. Secular culture comes to dominate in Christian countries, and secular culture eventually denudes religion down to a cheap window dressing, the way Christmas has been subsumed into consumerism.

>>24710333
I think The Future of an Illusion deals with this particularly well. As long as people fear death, they will cling to their religion.

>>24710391
>Christianity
Christianity is diverse. Mainstream groups are mostly bleeding members but the more cultlike groups, such as the old order amish and jehovahs witnesses have been steadily growing.
We may see social selection occur over time, where the more controlling and cultlike movements thrive and reproduce while all the moderate christians leave the faith and don't have kids

>>24710434
Pew's 2025 report also argues that certain groups are far more likely to leave Christianity than others. Liberals have dropped off heavily but conservatives remain steady. At some point, those groups most likely to leave will have done so and it will be harder to pull the remaining Christians away.

The fact that liberals represent a large percentage of those disaffiliating hints at probable political disagreements.

>>24707421 (OP)
Here's my atheist lit list to BTFO religionfaggots:

>Schopenhauer
>Spinoza
>Hume
>Cioran
>Feyerabend
>Stirner
>Nietzsche
>Bataille
>Deleuze
>Nick Land

>>24710515
Millennials aren't becoming more conservative as they age, so Christianity may, literally, die out.

>>24709189
It's even worse because tradcucks suck off some old ass dude in the sky.

>>24710574
Actual OP here. Finally, a good list

>>24710579
WOAWZA! A HECKING CHARTEROONI!
OH MY SCIENCE LOOK AT THOSE <10% DEVIATIONS!

>>24709174
>uh oh do you BELIEVE that a mechanic can fix your car?
>woah do you have FAITH that the sun will rise tomorrow?
Tradcels bringing their best jeets...

>>24710957
Faggot a ~10% deviation from the norm is a huge fucking deal. Inexplicable by just statistical noise or data collection error. Mass repudiation of cuckservatism

>>24711247
YIKES! THINK ABOUT THE HE*CIN IMPLICATIONS OF SÖYCIETYRINOS

>>24711254
Why are you people so aggressively retarded?

>>24711264
Because the new internet meta is to be retarded thanks to things like the chad meme.
>why yes the Inuit are the true inheritors of Rome
>le_handsome_man.jpg
>SO BASED xD
This is the underlying game of all religious thinking on 4chan.

>>24711264
Because Christianity is false and dying and the right wing utterly lost the culture war. These subhuman Christians are lashing out.
The idea that gen Z is becoming Christian is a blatant lie. A large but minority percentage of gen z MEN (not women) started larping as Christians as a right wing identity signal for the culture war. It already ended and chritianity remains the fastest dying religion.

>>24707451
what game are you talking about?

>>24710297
>That level of change is basically in the margin of error
You've never studied stats and don't even know what a z-score is let alone how to calculate one.

>>24711243
One day they'll learn enough math to catch up to the 1700s and figure out Bayesian reasoning. One day.

>>24711455
You're a mathlet who knows nothing about the history of science though.

>>24709174
Yes.

>>24711435
Wrong on all counts. Look at your own graph, the first half has very few outliers and they cluster much more closely, then the second half is all over the place. How do you account for that? Did you even stop to consider this?

>>24710957
The post of an utterly defeated man, lol