Thread 24708088

Any books on the failure of the European Union to centralize?

Was centralization a goal of the EU?

>>24708092
Jean Monnet certainly saw it that way. The treaties themselves are more ambiguous, intentionally so, but they still talk of the goal of "ever closer union" between the peoples of Europe.

>>24708088 (OP)
give it time.
America is collapsing, Russia is self antagonizing and the old European parties are losing their stranglehold all over Europe.

>>24708204
Lol America is strangling the EU and Ursula murmure “harder daddy”

>>24708221
saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar!

>>24708204
I think the next wave of elections will definitively kill the EU as anything other than a common economic area.

>>24708221
what is it like going through your day envisioning kinky sex between the two geriatrics Trump and Ursula?

>>24708088 (OP)
"Europe as Empire" by Jan Zielonka
Written in 2006 before the EU even got assraped by dozen crises it explains how the "union" is more of a neo-medieval confederation and approaching it with the idea that we are working towards a common national identity and a centralised state does not lead anywhere.
IMO the EU today vaguely resembles the Holy Roman Empire AFTER the peace of Westphalia where the states are akin to the almost sovereign imperial princes. It too had a constitutional order, a supranational judiciary and even a parliament.

>>24708338
>IMO the EU today vaguely resembles the Holy Roman Empire AFTER the peace of Westphalia where the states are akin to the almost sovereign imperial princes. It too had a constitutional order, a supranational judiciary and even a parliament.
Good analogy.

>>24708088 (OP)
You don't need a book to tell you that a common government without a common language is a pipe dream, and I say this as someone who thinks the EU has been mostly good for Europe. Outside of a relativily small percentage of relatively people (say, 5%-10% of each country's population) most europeans don't interact with europeans of other nations. This might change as boomers die off and the generations who grew up with the internet become the majority, at that point the EU might have another shot at further unification, it all hinges on whether or not the union manages to make a good reputation for itself in the meantime... and that is, honestly, judging how our leadership is handling Trump's tantrums, not something I'm too optimistic for.

I don't know if this is available in English, but the English title would be 'The Illness of Europe'

>>24708450
>You don't need a book to tell you that a common government without a common language is a pipe dream
The Swiss?

>>24708450
>common government without a common language is a pipe dream
Switzerland and Belgium seem to have managed. In the Swiss case more than 60% speak German of course, but in Belgium there is an even division between the two main languages. Outside of Europe there are some interesting examples like India where Hindi is the first language of <45% of the population.
The EU is however much more fragmented with German being the first language of only about 20% of the population. The generations that grew up with the Internet will probably all speak English as a second language though, which might be good enough. It's much easier than constructing a new universal language from scratch and now that the UK is out of the union it's kinda like le olde Europeans speaking Latin between each other after Rome fell.

>>24708527
We will have real time AI speech translations soon enough, and the Tower of Babel will finally be constructed.

>>24708088 (OP)
Failure? wasnt it always supposed to be more of a federalized institutions given distinct seperate nations and governments like france italy and germany?

Isnt the bigger question its excessive beurocracy?

>>24708550
Its excessive bureaucracy is simply a result of its aversion to centralization.

>>24708501
>>24708527
from my knowledge of belgium at least, there is still a strong distinction between the walloons and flemish

>>24708487
They changed the title for the English version, I'll definitely check it out once I'm done with my current batch.

>>24708450
Unironically make Latin compulsory.

>>24708487
>>24708568
The original title was better, the new one sounds very melodramatic. Are editors retarded?

>>24708088 (OP)
I found this somewhere

>>24708602
the glory of rome is eternal