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William S Burroughs
No one on /tv/ has seen or wants to discuss Naked Lunch (1991), so I figured I’d come here to talk about the unfathomably based heroin-using homosexual wife-killer William S Burroughs. Junky was such a good read and all of his spoken word tracks especially the ones set to music are fantastic. I particularly love Dub Spencer and Trance Hill’s ‘In Dub’ ive also started listening to Allen Ginsberg and Jack Kerouac, who are also fantastic.
Anonymous No.24810588 [Report] >>24810601 >>24823093
>>24810570 (OP)
Why isnt the drug he used to kick his heroin addiction more commonplace? He talks about it a lot in the appendix of naked lunch. It's called apomorphine
Anonymous No.24810589 [Report] >>24810592
Please be trolling.
Anonymous No.24810592 [Report] >>24810613
>>24810589
Why
Anonymous No.24810600 [Report] >>24810605 >>24810872 >>24811106 >>24811344 >>24823195
>>24810570 (OP)
Burroughs was based beyond belief. I've been reading through his letters recently and in a couple of them he's complaining about liberals and how Ginsberg needs to stop being a commie.
I doubt you'll get a lot of discussion about Burroughs on /lit/ as he tends to make a lot of anons seethe. Personally, I have huge respect for Burroughs as an artist. Naked Lunch is a huge redpill. It's meant to be read as a manual on deprogramming oneself from external control. A pamphlet of psychic gurrellia warfare than a standard novel.
Anonymous No.24810601 [Report]
>>24810588
It's more profitable to throw addicts into prison.
Anonymous No.24810605 [Report] >>24811344
>>24810600
Yeah it fucking ruled. I laughed my ass off when the Lesbian Witch Coven Leader turned out to also be the leader of the Gay Alien Syndicate and aso Dr Benway, basically creating the scenario where your doctor and dealer is just MK Ultra-ing everybody so he can farm your work and essential fluids for whatever sick purpose as he takes over parts of the world with his schizo queer army
Anonymous No.24810613 [Report] >>24810631 >>24810701 >>24810832 >>24810877 >>24811510 >>24819218 >>24822715 >>24824397
>>24810592
The beatnik and punk movement were most definitely psyops with no intellectual or artistic value.
If these homos were alive today they would be endorsing XYZ candidate and vaccine just to keep their spot in the public view, they would sacrifice any ounce of authenticity in a heartbeat.
That being said, junkie did have some good insights and the naked lunch movie is decent, somehow better than the book.
Anonymous No.24810631 [Report] >>24810660 >>24812798
>>24810613
>tell me you know nothing about Burroughs or early punk without telling me you know nothing about Burroughs or early punk
Anonymous No.24810660 [Report] >>24810701 >>24810729
>>24810631
>tell me X without telling me X
Go back.
Anonymous No.24810701 [Report]
>>24810613
So you’re clueless and don’t know what Burroughs was up to as he approached his death in 1997
>>24810660
You are literally a frogposter
Anonymous No.24810728 [Report]
>>24810570 (OP)
watched the movie and read the book. They're trippy. People on this board want 'philosophic' value. Whatever the fuck that means.

& most people don't want to give the guy any sort of credit because he was "gay".

I don't particularly care how he depicted his sexuality (even if he had to obviously hide it in plain sight). He does give a lense, a glimpse into that time period. & it's nice to know not everything was seen through hyper pastel, rainbow colored goggles back then.
You're going to come into contact with a lot of intellectual dishonesty and different flavors of ignorance trying to discuss Burroughs.

It's the type of gritty perspective that some aristocratic baby's desperately need, in order to not be seen as total spoiled freaks.

Thread reminds me, I need to get through Opium-Eater.
Anonymous No.24810729 [Report] >>24810740 >>24810747 >>24810827 >>24813136 >>24814865
>>24810660
Sorry, didn't know I had to spell it out for you: Burroughs was a hardcord libertarian and racist. Just because he was gay doesn't mean he was a leftist. He opposed all the things liberals hold dear. Early punk i.e. punk before it got on MTV, was full of literal nazis. The reason the left has revised the history of punk so badly is because of cope. Things like muh punk is trans muh blacks invented punk are provably false. Just look at the Oi! movement, right-wing, angry working class men. This predates all the slopbands you think are representive of the genre.
KYS.
Anonymous No.24810740 [Report] >>24810752
>>24810729
Not to mention how ridiculous and cultureless getting mad by guessing a man born in 1914 would be a liberal in 2025 is.
Anonymous No.24810747 [Report]
>>24810729
And we’re talking about a guy who serial kills lesbians anyways. He can barely even mention a woman without calling her a lesbian and saying he wants to beat the shit out of them
Anonymous No.24810752 [Report] >>24810772
>>24810740
Liberals existed in the 20th century, anon....
Anonymous No.24810772 [Report] >>24810861
>>24810752
Anon was talking about the 2019 covid vaccine, not realizing he was talking about a person who wrote Dr Benway as a supervillain doctor who drugs the public under false pretenses into becoming his slaves, not to mention his discussion of Virus B-23, the President hoarding fountain of youth drugs in his bunker as the world destroys itself in medically-induced civil war, as well as the nuclear bomb as an american-made soul-killer that mutated the public
Anonymous No.24810806 [Report] >>24811106
In fact I would firmly say that the idea of governments and officials who poison, mutate, brainwash, and kill the public by developing drugs and weapons with sinister and mass murderous ulterior motives, is one of William S Burroughs most main and prevalent themes. I'm pretty sure 100% of his government and medical characters meet this description to a T. The only doctors he vaguely treats as 'good people' are the ones who won't give him heroin, while also saying he hates them for that and wants to crack their skulls in occasionally. To suggest he would be pro-vaxx is insane, the man would be writing about how the government used a virus bomb to enclose the world in miniature coffin-bunkers with their brains hooked up to diodes or some shit
Anonymous No.24810808 [Report] >>24810826
>>24810570 (OP)
Go read Cities of the Red Night and explain how Burroughs' revolutionary strategy best matches the problems of the post modern. DO NOT REFER TO AUSTIN TEXAS.
Anonymous No.24810826 [Report]
>>24810808
Oh god I can't wait, I've got it right here, maybe I'll start.
https://youtu.be/glGKaNxPSc4?si=3FhI81MI5OzITqp8
This song and album have been my obsession lately
Anonymous No.24810827 [Report] >>24811030 >>24811107
>>24810729
>Early punk i.e. punk before it got on MTV, was full of literal nazis.
No it wasn't, the swastikas were used only for shock value.
Anonymous No.24810832 [Report] >>24810839
>>24810613
>no intellectual or artistic value.

Ridiculous. I don't think I've ever laughed at writing harder than Kerouac's description of becoming a Mexican cotton-picker.
Anonymous No.24810837 [Report] >>24810841
Have we considered how much of Burrough's life quite literally predates Nazism? How about you look at the actual man and his work, even, instead of things he has not said or done, but that you associate with people and highly disconnected liquid movements that followed him?
Anonymous No.24810839 [Report]
>>24810832
Oh man if you knew how good these Bacon and Eggs were you wouldn't be sitting there writing a post, oh man these Bacon and Eggs
Anonymous No.24810841 [Report]
>>24810837
Those movements being liberal movements, he was never a beat(nik), he was beat, and it was something he and his friends made up.
Anonymous No.24810861 [Report]
>>24810772
Unironically, I was obsessed with Naked Lunch just before Covid and I think it gave me the mental capacities to see through the medical tyranny that ensued.
Anonymous No.24810872 [Report] >>24810927
>>24810600
>he's complaining about liberals and how Ginsberg needs to stop being a commie.
didn't know he was such a chuddie...he went to that Democrat manifestation along with Ginsberg and Genet though
Anonymous No.24810877 [Report] >>24810888
>>24810613
Wow so edgy. Counterculture is le psyop, we should be counter-counterculture ie normalfags but cynical, because that is for sure not a psyop.
>Captcha: DAYUM lol
Anonymous No.24810888 [Report] >>24810908
>>24810877
Im pretty sure Burroughs writes about that exact phenomenon, no? I mean Naked Lunch is all about his infinitely culture-rejecting character being absorbed into a drug-induced military conspiracy, right?
Anonymous No.24810908 [Report] >>24810914
>>24810888
>I mean Naked Lunch is all about his infinitely culture-rejecting character being absorbed into a drug-induced military conspiracy, right?
That's more about WWII.
Anonymous No.24810909 [Report]
His words and manner of writing increase my literacy
Anonymous No.24810914 [Report] >>24810943
>>24810908
I took it as more of a Cold War story based on his own post-War experiences, but even so he applies the theme of subversive indoctrination of counter-counter regardless of what war or era he's talking about. He was just writing it from a first person perspective as one of the very first modern 'punks' to live this phenomenon
Anonymous No.24810927 [Report]
>>24810872
Probably to fanboy over Genet.
Anonymous No.24810943 [Report] >>24810991
>>24810914
Double subversion is a common theme arising from Queer, it seems to represent interior being as in conflict. CotRN indicates that the interior space is politicised for Burroughs: the nazi feminist scientists are inside him already.
Anonymous No.24810985 [Report] >>24810995
>>24810570 (OP)
I kind of like Burroughs, but it's worth keeping in mind that he, like many of the type, came from a richfag background and that it was the main reason why he landed on his feet even while being quite the fuck-up.
Anonymous No.24810991 [Report]
>>24810943
>nazi feminist scientists
God damn I love how accurately phrases like 'Gay Alien Heroin Syndicate' and shit apply to Burrough's works. There's gotta be a word for it, somewhere between satire and accurate truth. I don't want to say it's just a political parody or that it's the truth itself, there's gotta be a word for this
Maybe its just Beat literature lol
Anonymous No.24810995 [Report] >>24813623
>>24810985
Yeah man that $150/mo ($3,471/mo per 2025!!!) American Arithmometer Company Trust from his grandpa Billy Burroughs sounds fucking insane. I do take his word for it though when he said his heroin expenses forced him into the workplace and into the world. He was pretty forthcoming about that in Junky
Anonymous No.24811018 [Report] >>24812586 >>24815687
I don't think he killed his wife and abandoned his children in pursuit of being a dedicated writer, like the movie suggests, nor was Joan Vollmer sitting there lazily 'playing William Tell'. He probably was on heroin and had a lot of mexican gay sex and chose to knowingly do something evil because he was on heroin and in a gay sex craze.
Actually, I haven't read all his works yet, but I bet Burroughs very much enjoyed the pun 'William Tell' as a homophone for 'William S Burroughs confessing to the murder of his wife'. Shit, maybe that's what he meant.
Anonymous No.24811030 [Report] >>24811039 >>24811533
>>24810827
Johnny Rotten says right is the new punk and the left is a bunch of fags.
Anonymous No.24811039 [Report] >>24811056
>>24811030
I keep trying to get people to call me Johnny Rotten, but people keep calling me Freddy Fresh
Anonymous No.24811056 [Report]
>>24811039
>t. Cunty Carl
Anonymous No.24811106 [Report] >>24811108
>>24810570 (OP)
haven't seen the movie but i enjoyed the book a lot. i don't like him because of the faggotry; i like his writing. i like his anti-everything sthick. i like the drug stuff. i like the sociopolitical control stuff others anon have mentioned.
>>24810806
you get it, anon. any junkie, active or not, hates every doctor's guts and is filled with vitirolic monkey rage towards them.
>>24810600
based
Anonymous No.24811107 [Report]
>>24810827
That's just bourgeois whitewashing, propagated by music journalists and other media faggots. They all jumped on the punk bandwagon because they wanted to be cool. They never remotely understood it.
In the 1970s my home town was full of literal neo-Nazi skinheads, and they all listened to punk.
Anonymous No.24811108 [Report]
>>24811106
other anons*
killing myself btw
Anonymous No.24811125 [Report] >>24811130 >>24812510
>literal male prostitute despite coming from money
>shot and killed his wife at a party and got away with it
>a great mind and talent wasted slurping up semen and ordure at every opportunity
>oh but he rite good!
all of his admirers should kill themselves.
Anonymous No.24811130 [Report] >>24811132
>>24811125
Well you just can't get that perspective from anyone else, really. I essentially believe he's evil, and I'm a big fan of his evil artifacts
Anonymous No.24811132 [Report] >>24811145 >>24813589
>>24811130
okay, let's shift that around a little.
>oh jeffrey dahmer? yeah he was something special
>you just can't get that perspective from anyone else, a head in the fridge? lynchian!
it would be better that the evil simply didn't exist. evil needs fewer spokesmen, not more.
Anonymous No.24811145 [Report] >>24811155
>>24811132
Yeah I would read Jeffrey Dahmer's book if he had this incredible literary skill like Burroughs has, but I'm morbid like that. 'If William S Burroughs didn't exist' question is a good one though, though I like the literature we not only have to consider the direct murders this most likely serial killer has committed, but even according to his own cosmology it seems he has in fact created and spread a volatile enemy mind virus perhaps far worse than any of the subjects which he accuses have.
Of all things I feel most personally bad for his son, drunken to death at 33 on so many factors related to being his father's son
Anonymous No.24811155 [Report] >>24811174
>>24811145
waste like you should be consigned to the midden with the rest of the refuse.
Anonymous No.24811174 [Report] >>24811180
>>24811155
Actually it might please you to know I do live in the American Midwest and I do in fact stack boxes for a living at a warehouse. Pretty dung-like. So there it is
Anonymous No.24811180 [Report] >>24811220 >>24811371
>>24811174
that you think hard work is the sort of debasement you deserve shows how far from the light you've strayed. what you furnish your mind with (the dreck of maniacs and killers) becomes you, dolt.
Anonymous No.24811204 [Report] >>24811271
He was obviously a degenerate faggot but I love this reading, everything is perfect including the hollers of the braindead sycophants in the background.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njD-3OgB-vQ
Anonymous No.24811220 [Report] >>24811326
>>24811180
Alright I hear you
Anonymous No.24811271 [Report] >>24811332 >>24822548
>>24811204
>He was obviously a degenerate faggot
that's exactly what makes him so great
Anonymous No.24811326 [Report]
>>24811220
That guy is totally psy opped with dumb performative 4chan rhetoric. I'm on your side with this. Burroughs fascinated me but I was too immature for naked lunch and got lost and it went over my head
Anonymous No.24811332 [Report]
>>24811271
He became that because like the silly american in the story he invoked ancient spirits he couldn't control to "employ them". Unlocking vaults sealed by Constantine, releasing creatures that have been locked up for 1500 years to parade them around as novelties for the consumer masses.
Why did Constantine lock them up in the first place?
Anonymous No.24811344 [Report]
>>24810600
He's the one real Celine inheritor out of the Beats, stylistically and otherwise.

>>24810605
lmao, you got to see picrel
Anonymous No.24811371 [Report] >>24811382
>>24811180
Just put the fries in the bag.
Anonymous No.24811382 [Report]
>>24811371
kill yourself, faggot.
Anonymous No.24811510 [Report]
>>24810613
the beat movement was supposed to be nothing more than Kerouac's inner circle of literary friends and hustlers that he met in all his exploits across America only to evolve into a political movement prefiguring the hippies. The Beatniks were never intended to have a political message let alone an enforced ideology and it was for that reason Kerouac later disowned the movement.
Anonymous No.24811533 [Report]
>>24811030
>sluuuurp
keep eating it up pal
Anonymous No.24811540 [Report]
Is this the homo that fulfilled the boomer fantasy of killing his bitch wife?
Anonymous No.24811550 [Report] >>24811834
>>24810570 (OP)
the spoken word pieces set to music are garbage. I'm usually "Stop saying 'yo', nigger, I'm trying to hear him speak." the rappers were trying to pick up on his fame.
Anonymous No.24811834 [Report]
>>24811550
What rappers?
Anonymous No.24811928 [Report] >>24811952
>>24810570 (OP)
>all of his spoken word tracks especially the ones set to music are fantastic.
So is there an album? Where can I hear it?
Anonymous No.24811952 [Report] >>24811964 >>24811976
>>24811928
There's tons, In Dub, Spare Ass Annie and Other Tales, and way more I'm always finding, all the way back from when he was alive even.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChKoQX5Aogw&list=PLyibAt8clDqhZClIqd6XToqDDuPOKUz1C
https://youtu.be/BbbgizIdbCE?si=EGGE0W8I4V-zrEQc
https://youtu.be/z4BDbOE2RDQ?si=e7FzWN_fyi_3BphB
And Sopranos fans already know
https://youtu.be/SQc3T45pRWY?si=yJEJ7W_amwrtJXtm
Anonymous No.24811964 [Report] >>24811976
>>24811952
Keep in mind by the way those first two links are playlists for entire albums, I can't recommend both of them enough
Anonymous No.24811976 [Report] >>24812009
>>24811952
>>24811964
Wow, thanks. I'll listen to it asap
Anonymous No.24812009 [Report]
>>24811976
I guess the Spare Ass Annie link didn't work the way I wanted, you can just youtube search 'Spare Ass Annie Burroughs' and you'll find the playlist. It's also all on Spotify
Anonymous No.24812510 [Report]
>>24811125
if rimbaud is good enough then why isn't this guy? Is he not twink enough for you?
Anonymous No.24812586 [Report]
>>24811018
It was the Ugly Spirit. He started writing in an attempt to purge it from himself.

He was a writer of Freedom, foremost. Absolutely American in all it's hypocrisy and ugliness. He predicted the surveillence police state and wrote about power and control in a simple illustrative way, in contrast to the European pomos with their textual mumbo jumbo and stuffy academics.
Anonymous No.24812798 [Report] >>24813058
>>24810631
I like Burroughs but the anon is right using this "tell me you" meme is incredibly gay and I've only ever seen irritating women on Instagram using this.
Anonymous No.24812905 [Report]
>>24810570 (OP)
Hey, that's DEATH from the hit tv show SUPERNATURAL.
Anonymous No.24813058 [Report]
>>24812798
But the post youre quoting was using it well and as part of a good argument
Anonymous No.24813136 [Report] >>24813302
>>24810729
Woah why are you so mad buddy I didn't read your faggot post but I saw you said kys at the end and you said "literal Nazis" first off Hitler was righteous in all his actions and the holocaust never happened so what the fuck is wrong with being a Nazi? You don't know shit dude stop seething cause you're probably Norwood reaper'd
Anonymous No.24813146 [Report] >>24822529
I affirm Gay Nazism
Anonymous No.24813302 [Report]
>>24813136
If you read his post, he never said anything negative about Nazis and actually blamed liberalism for a disinformation campaign against Nazi Punks
Anonymous No.24813319 [Report]
Of course there were/are Nazi punks, the song is called ‘Nazi Punks Fuck Off’ after all
Anonymous No.24813589 [Report] >>24813596
>>24811132
>>you just can't get that perspective from anyone else, a head in the fridge? lynchian!
Quite
Anonymous No.24813596 [Report]
>>24813589
watch the charlie rose interview of DFW.
Anonymous No.24813623 [Report] >>24813632
>>24810995
It's more than that, in the words of Jarvis "If you called your dad he could stop it all, yeah"
Anonymous No.24813631 [Report]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6kHN92Yv48
A Junky's Christmas, claymation directed by Francis Ford Coppola
Anonymous No.24813632 [Report]
>>24813623
That's true lol
Anonymous No.24813634 [Report]
>muh monotone junky faggot
does /lit/ really?
Anonymous No.24813922 [Report] >>24829763
>>24810570 (OP)
At least three bands were named after Burroughs:
>Soft Machine
>Steely Dan
>Thin White Rope
Not to mention all the other ones he influenced either musically or lyrically.
Anonymous No.24814500 [Report] >>24815275
>>24810570 (OP)
How does anyone even take William seriously? He was more of a mystic than an author, and he'd regularly make sentences out of gibberish articles he'd arbitrarily cutout and paste together.

Actual joke
Anonymous No.24814865 [Report] >>24815343
>>24810729
Punk was invented by arty farty New York hipsters, anyone who says otherwise is lying out of their fucking ass. And no, insert-earlier-hard-rock-band-here is not an example of punk.
Anonymous No.24815061 [Report] >>24815232
>>24810570 (OP)

Truly the greatest science fiction writer of all time in how he predicted the modern porno sewer world. The prehensile anus is the ultimate symbol of modernity
Anonymous No.24815232 [Report]
>>24815061
he didn't predict shit
Anonymous No.24815275 [Report]
>>24814500
https://genius.com/William-s-burroughs-dr-benway-operates-annotated
Anonymous No.24815343 [Report] >>24815986
>>24814865
>Punk was invented by arty farty New York hipsters
Funny you say that seeing as punk originated in Britain.
CFUX-FM No.24815348 [Report] >>24815421 >>24815570
Thinking of giving Junky a go soon. It's a nice, tight lil volume. Just my kind of book.
Anonymous No.24815421 [Report]
>>24815348
It goes down so smooth, while also being jarring hilarious and disgusting. His concise writing is incredible
Anonymous No.24815554 [Report]
That's a cool ass fucking suit. I hate how thin they are nowadays.
Anonymous No.24815570 [Report] >>24815573 >>24815990 >>24818038
>>24815348
Junky is by far his best work, a shame he wasted his talent making abstract book art cut up method shit that was jibberish for freshman lava lamp enthusiasts.
Anonymous No.24815573 [Report] >>24815588
>>24815570
And yet his spoken word music in The Sopranos is KINO
Anonymous No.24815585 [Report]
I remember I tried to read this book years ago, but I found it a bit boring and a faggot who were phony with me liked Burroughs, so I had two reasons to be a hater. I didn't remember there was a movie by Cronenberg as well, so I got interested again. Should I give it a second chance?
Anonymous No.24815588 [Report] >>24816026
>>24815573
kek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIfdKH4Tq-g&list=RDtIfdKH4Tq-g&start_radio=1
Anonymous No.24815687 [Report] >>24815711
>>24811018
I've read both biographies about Burroughs, and the incident seems to be an alcoholic fuck up.
Both biographies imply that the Mexican stay was fueled by too much alcohol consumption by both parties due to attempts at drug abstinence. Joan ditched amphetamines; Burroughs, unsuccessfully, heroin. Periods of sobriety actually featured fall into alcoholism by both parties.
All sources agree that it was a drunk prank gone out of hand, and that maybe Joan goaded Burroughs and Burroughs accepted because he was a good shooter and he was proud of being a good shooter ("Let's show our William Tell trick", which implied it wasn't a one off exceptional act). Simple alcohol intoxication explains everything.
Here, in Estonia, it isn't considered newsworthy if an alcoholic shots or kills his wife while drunk. Business as usual.
Anonymous No.24815711 [Report] >>24819211 >>24823710
>>24815687
>if an alcoholic shots or kills his wife while drunk
These were almost the only murders in Iceland until very recently. They happened around once every 2 years. Now there are multiple stabbings a year, mostly immigrants.
Anonymous No.24815986 [Report] >>24829768
>>24815343
Girls inventend punk rock not England
Anonymous No.24815990 [Report]
>>24815570
lol filtered
Anonymous No.24816026 [Report]
>>24815588
>'top soul and first to leave at the moment of death is Ren, the secret name - this corresponds to my director, he directs the film of your life from conception to death. When you die, that's when Ren came in'
>Tony dies and the first name that comes in is his Director - David Chase
Anonymous No.24816826 [Report] >>24816899
Who else besides Allen Jack and Bill should i look into? Hunter S Thompson reading Kentucky Derby was kino
Anonymous No.24816899 [Report]
>>24816826
Corso, Ferlinghetti, Snyder, Lamantia
Anonymous No.24818038 [Report] >>24818844
>>24815570
I read Cities of the Red Night first, after reading Lou Stathis' review in Heavy Metal magazine. it's kind of a full on intro to his style and interests.
Anonymous No.24818844 [Report] >>24818875
>>24818038
Did you like it?
Anonymous No.24818875 [Report]
>>24818844
it took a while, but I appreciate what he was trying to do.
Anonymous No.24819211 [Report] >>24819499
>>24815711
mostly?
Anonymous No.24819218 [Report] >>24819317
>>24810613
100%. Beats were CIA and punk was manufactured like the Beats.
Anonymous No.24819317 [Report] >>24822504
>>24819218
He makes a loooooot of references to being offered jobs at the CIA and being in the CIA. He frames it as 'he went rogue and wised up the marks', in The Soft Machine, he characterizes himself as Uranian WIlly, a shapeshifting time-traveling CIA agent
Anonymous No.24819499 [Report]
>>24819211
The locals get dragged into it. Even small girls start stabbing.
Anonymous No.24820993 [Report]
Anyone read The Soft Machine? I hear its main story is about a shapeshifting CIA agent who time travels back to the Mayan Empire and manipulates the Mayan Priests’ calendar-based mind control over the slaves to destroy the empire
Anonymous No.24822504 [Report]
>>24819317
He was allowed to disclose some stuff
Anonymous No.24822523 [Report]
>>24810570 (OP)
This guy glows, and so do you OP. Fuck boomers, and fuck the beats.
Anonymous No.24822529 [Report]
>>24813146
Jewish tranny psy-op.
Anonymous No.24822548 [Report]
>>24811271
Stick your head in a fucking sewer hole if you want "greatness"
Anonymous No.24822570 [Report]
>>24810570 (OP)
Lemuria's strongest soldier
Anonymous No.24822665 [Report] >>24822694 >>24823089
If Burroughs was CIA, what was the plan? Doesn't the Cold War CIA want American loyalty and service to the state against socialism?
Or are they fomenting rebellion to justify greater control?
Anonymous No.24822694 [Report] >>24822709 >>24823085
>>24822665
He wasn't, it's all dumb accusations from commie retards upset that people are more interested in the Beats than in their failed ideological "art" and revolution
Anonymous No.24822709 [Report]
>>24822694
I figured 'smash the control machine' would be good enough for most anti-authoritarians
Anonymous No.24822715 [Report] >>24823781 >>24824186
>>24810613
Kerouac become a religious reactionary and Burroughs was vocally critical of the cult of science, that is actually his major theme—one might even argue that heroin in his writing functions as a symbol of the total subordination of man to science instead of science to man
Anonymous No.24823085 [Report]
>>24822694
Not a single person gives a shit about the beats anymore, cope.
Anonymous No.24823089 [Report]
>>24822665
>If Burroughs was CIA, what was the plan?
>how does promoting nihilistic hedonism through social engineering aid the CIA's goals
tis a mystery
Anonymous No.24823093 [Report]
>>24810588
Methadone already existed and was being used to treat addicts in the 60's
Anonymous No.24823195 [Report]
>>24810600
>Naked Lunch
I can think of two things wrong with that title.
Anonymous No.24823638 [Report] >>24823680
>>24810570 (OP)
if you watch tv for 10 minutes and flip channels you get a naked lunch esque pastiche/collage, no need to read any of the books when you can get the jist of it and be way less of an insufferable "look how cool I am" tryhard. a lot of you wanna be counter-culture so bad it's so pathetic
Anonymous No.24823680 [Report]
>>24823638
t. a pseud who got filtered by Burrough’s genius
Anonymous No.24823710 [Report] >>24823973
>>24815711
>These were almost the only murders in Iceland until very recently
Doesn't even know the history of Iceland and their tradition of murdering great poets like Snorri Sturluson.

Snorri must have had his own ideas about the king's position and the validity of his orders, but at any rate he chose to disobey them; his words according to the Sturlunga saga, út vil ek (literally 'out want I', but idiomatically 'I will go home'), have become proverbial in Icelandic.[13][14] He returned to Iceland in 1239.[12] The king was distracted by the necessity to confront Skúli, who declared himself king in 1239. Skúli was defeated militarily and killed in 1240. Meanwhile, Snorri resumed his chieftainship and made a bid to crush Gissur by prosecuting him in court for the deaths of his brother Sighvatr and nephew Sturla. After the jarl's defeat, Haakon sent two agents to Gissur bearing a secret letter with orders to kill or capture Snorri. Gissur was being invited now to join the unionist movement. A meeting at the Althing was arranged for the summer of 1241 but Gissur and Kolbein arrived with several hundred men. Snorri and 120 men formed around a church. Gissur chose to pay fines rather than to attack.

Hallveig died of natural causes. When the family bickered over the inheritance, Hallveig's sons, Klaeing and Orm, asked assistance from their uncle Gissur. Holding a meeting with them and Kolbein the Younger, Gissur brought out the letter. Orm refused. Shortly after, Snorri received a letter in cipher runes warning him of the plot, but he could not understand them.[15]

Afterwards Gissur led seventy men on a daring raid to his house, achieving complete surprise. Snorri Sturluson was assassinated in his house at Reykholt in autumn of 1241. It is not clear that he was given the option of surrender. He fled to the cellar. There, Símon knútur asked Árni the Bitter to strike him. Then Snorri said: Eigi skal hǫggva! – "Do not strike!" Símon answered: Hǫgg þú! — "You strike now!" Snorri replied: Eigi skal hǫggva! – "Do not strike!" and these were his last words.[16][17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snorri_Sturluson#The_end_of_Snorri_and_the_Commonwealth
Anonymous No.24823781 [Report]
>>24822715
This guy gets it but replace 'science' with consumerism. Junk being the product the person is sold to rather than the object sold to them. The subject is degraded to a point in which he has no choice but to consume the product. You don't manafacture a robost expensive everlasting gadget. You stupidify the person and seduce him and he doesn't know any better. It's his 'choice' but not. Cheaper, apparently.
>But who am I to be critical?
Anonymous No.24823869 [Report]
>>24810570 (OP)
Burroughs and Ginsberg article about exorcisms:
https://www.sensitiveskinmagazine.com/william-s-burroughs-interview/
>You would never see it. In exorcism, a verbal argument can never do anything. You can’t ever beat the entity in a verbal argument because that’s what he wants. It’s only through a confront, a non-verbal confront, that anything happens. It has to be non-verbal. Otherwise, they’d argue and argue going around and around and around for a hundred thousand years. But the arguing has nothing whatever to do with what they’re really doing.
Anonymous No.24823973 [Report]
>>24823710
>heh, you don't even know that a murder happened there a thousand fucking years ago
Why would you assume I don't, retard? Snorri was killed in the biggest civil war in Icelandic history where he was one of the largest players, consolidating power, originally in the name of the king of Norway but when he refused his orders he became a threat as a possible king of Iceland.
Snorri and king Hákon had access to esoteric ancient Greek books and knowledge associated with orders of knights like the Templars. Snorri consolidated power using armoured "eastern knights" instead of locals. The order was destroyed for being too powerful 70 years later.
Anonymous No.24824186 [Report]
>>24822715
Kerouac was always fairly conservative if you read the whole Duluoz cycle. He found the 50's stifling and chased after the remnants of old America as they were being snuffed out. He was, after all, a working class kid from a mill town
Anonymous No.24824346 [Report]
>nobody posted it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eTSL2kopP4
Anonymous No.24824359 [Report]
>>24810570 (OP)
>>24810570 (OP)
The stuff about him making contact with entities from other dimensions is really weird desu
Anonymous No.24824397 [Report]
>>24810613
Trvke
Anonymous No.24825971 [Report] >>24826594
The Soft Machine is kino
Anonymous No.24826583 [Report] >>24827120
>>24810570 (OP)
>I particularly love Dub Spencer and Trance Hill’s ‘In Dub’ iv
Hell yeah, that’s a great album.
Anonymous No.24826594 [Report] >>24828229
>>24825971
The cut-up parts ruin it, same with Nova Express. Good thing WSB got tired of that pseud shit in the 70s.
Anonymous No.24826738 [Report] >>24826838
he is a satantic idiot in hell
all writings of this type should be commited to flames
Anonymous No.24826763 [Report]
>>24810570 (OP)
burroughs' best writing is always between the lines
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MPHyR92MQic
Anonymous No.24826838 [Report] >>24830097
>>24826738
shut the fuck up you christranny retard
Anonymous No.24827120 [Report]
>>24826583
My brother
Anonymous No.24828229 [Report]
>>24826594
>Good thing WSB got tired of that pseud shit in the 70s.
I'm glad as well. Been reading Cities of the Red Night and really enjoying it. The only worthwhile cut-up novel is Naked Lunch and even then I'm dubious to the claims over how much of it was actually cut-up.
Anonymous No.24828295 [Report]
>>24810570 (OP)
junky is just poverty porn for boring squares who never led an underground lifestyle before. it's nothing special. the rest is schizo garbage. overrated af
Anonymous No.24829605 [Report]
bump
Anonymous No.24829654 [Report]
>>24810570 (OP)
Tell me guys, was Islam Inc. just the child exploitation Burroughs saw (and definitely partook in) in Morocco?
Anonymous No.24829763 [Report] >>24829896
>>24813922
Yeah, in a roundabout way, I actually think he had a far greater impact on music than on the literary establishment. Everyone from Bowie to the early punks to the industrial/synth pioneers to free jazz performers to U2 cited him as an influence. He's literally on the Sgt. Pepper's cover lol.

I think his theses on spontaneous writing and collage-based craftsmanship are inherently musical. I can really only think of Pynchon and Gibson as authors who carried some of WSB's literary impetus into the 'mainstream' novelistic establishment, but he remains mostly singular.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTTTgzR0x28
Anonymous No.24829768 [Report]
>>24815986
Funny reference to make, since SY literally have a record with one of his drawings on the cover (then again, Bill didn't believe in coincidences). Underrated album imo.
Anonymous No.24829896 [Report]
>>24829763
also, Robert Anton Wilson, Bruce Sterling and John Shirley.

also, the last thing I wrote that I considered any good was an homage to the Socco Chico routines.
Anonymous No.24830097 [Report]
>>24826838
beatsissy mad