Thread 24813248

What to read after
>Iliad and Odyssey
>Aeneid
>Theogony
>Metamorphoses
>Argonautica
>Oresteia Trilogy
>Oedipus Trilogy
>Divine Comedy
>Paradise Lost
>Faerie Queene

>>24813248 (OP)
Don Quixote

The bible

>>24813248 (OP)
>>24813248 (OP)
Beowulf
Anabasis of Xenophon
Anabasis of Alexander
Tennyson's Idylls of the King

>>24813248 (OP)
Canterbury Tales
Orlando Innamorato + Furioso
Jerusalem Delivered
Paradise Regained
Faust
Clarel

I only read Faust and Paradise Regained, the rest are on my TBR list

>>24813250
Don Quixote is a great filter because if you can’t find that entertaining even as a modern lit enjoyer, you’re just brain dead and soulless

>>24813250
What translation? Ormsby? Putnam?

>>24813278
I didn't find Don Quixote entertaining. And I didn't find Confederacy of Dunces entertaining either. My personal top 5 funniest books are Ulysses, Gravity's Rainbow, Recognitions, Magic Mountain and Buddenbrooks. What now, yte boy?

>>24813278
Don Quixote is a great way to find NPCs because if you enjoy it you probably don't have an inner monologue and just parrot what everyone says about it

>>24813248 (OP)
>Capeshit of Antiquity

>>24813248 (OP)
the bible nigga

>>24813248 (OP)
The other tragedies. For example only 7 plays of Sophocles have survived, so reading them all is a reasonable goal. You also haven't read any Euripides at all.

>>24813248 (OP)
Beowulf
The Prose Edda
The Poetic Edda
Volsungasaga and all other Sagas
Goethe
Nibelungenlied
unironically Shakespeare (know your Ovid first)
Arthurian canon (including the continental variants like Parcival)
Mabinogion(Welsh mythology)
Irish Mythology

etc....etc....etc....


It's ok to read thing that weren't written by raging pedo-homos ;)

Definitely Shakespeare

>Beowulf
Anybody read Tom Shippey's new translation of Beowulf? Worth getting if I've read Seamus Heaney's translation? I can't find an ebook on the usual places but maybe I'm just blind.

>>24814733
Based anon
I will also add The Kojiki (Japanese mythology), Works and days by Hesiod, and The Epic of Gilgamesh.

>>24813248 (OP)
Plato
Aristotle
Herodotus
Thucydides
Xenophon
Greek comedy and tragedy
Menander
Diodorus of Sicily
Caesar
Appian
Livy
Cicero
Cassius Dio
Lucian
Anmianus
Pliny the elder and younger
Tacitus
Suetonius
And so on

You haven’t even finished the classics and you’re moving onto slop

nothing. reading is a waste of time.

>>24814482
>capeshit le bad, because it just is okay

>>24815003
Plato would regard Aristophanes as slop

>>24815251
Yea but Plato and friends of Socrates were butthurt at Aristophanes

>>24815247
>yes

>>24813248 (OP)
Epic of Gilgamesh
Le Morte de Arthur
Gargantua and Pantagruel
Don Quixote

>>24813248 (OP)
> Hasnt read Xenophon's Anabasis

>>24813281
GROSSMAN!!!

>>24813281
I have the penguin cloth bound classic; John Rutherford is the translator I’ve read
>>24813297
Contrarianism is peak NPC behavior, though. It’s a lazy way of appearing unique and thought provoking

>>24815442
There's nothing more conformist than complaining about "contrarianism".
Don Quixote is a boring and repetitive book. Once you've read one episode you've pretty much got the gist of it all. The book is way too long for what it is.
The prose is also dry and the poetry sucks. It isn't even for good for its time, Cervantes was contemporary of Shakespeare and not some ancient caveman. It has no truly beautiful moments. The humour relies on physical comedy wich doesn't translate well to literature, and the constant repetition of all the same jokes undermines its comedic value.
The book overall lacks any sort of depth, there is nothing profound to be extracted from it. It can't even claim to be realistic. It also falls in the same "pitfalls" as the stories it tries to parody (unrealistic, romantic subplots).
Overall, a turd for its time, and a giant one for today.

>>24815469
>Don Quixote is a boring and repetitive book.
DQ has a lot of variety in how it uses different genres. Letters, novella, stories within stories, poetry, ballads etc.
>Once you've read one episode you've pretty much got the gist of it all.
That might be true for part 1, but part 2 is too different. It doubles down on meta elements and the tone changes from mostly comic to mostly tragic.
>The prose is also dry and the poetry sucks.
Agreed with you there, at least in translation. I don't speak Spanish.
>It has no truly beautiful moments.
It does in part 2.
>The book overall lacks any sort of depth, there is nothing profound to be extracted from it.
True for part 1; it's a dated parody of a now-dead genre. Part 2 is where all the thematic meat is.

It's far from my favourite novel, but I can think of plenty more overrated books.

>>24815498
Alright that's fair, at least we agree on part 1. Thought part 2 didn't have a single thought-provoking or technically impressive page, and many moments that could have been great were ruined by pointless jokes. But I do agree that it was much better than part 1 even if absolutely not worth suffering through it all.

>>24813248 (OP)
All of Xenophon is worth reading. Aristophanes' comedies are not only still funny, they skewer still-recognizable human traits. Plutarch is a huge pile to read but probably forms the best single-author overview of Antiquity.

>>24815251
This is like saying that JD Vance thinks Kimmel isn't funny. He arguably isn't, but that's not why Vance is saying it.

>>24815469
>Don Quixote is a boring and repetitive book. Once you've read one episode you've pretty much got the gist of it all.
>gets called out by >>24815498
>well, I actually meant part 1
Clown

>>24816022
I still stand by that fact you fag. I never claimed it was only part 1 and brushed off the fact that he said it had a lot of variety (L.O.L).
I simply ended the argument since I agree that part 2 was better, and he seemed to agree that part 1 was kinda sucked.
Both parts are boring and repetitive

>>24815003
This.
>>24815431
HUGE
>>24815721
Analogy doesn't work. Kimmel and Vance are slop, but so is Aristophanes. Plato admits he doesn't like poetics, so that would be his primary reason.

>>24816094
The only parts that were repetitive were Don and Sancho getting beat up and ridiculed everywhere they went. You probably think Pride and Prejudice is just "people going to each others houses"

>>24816131
Meant to quote >>24816058

>>24816131
I'm not having another argument with a retard who interfered to insult me as a quick gotcha while sucking off another guy who did all the argumentation for him, and who didn't expect me to reply in the first place.
The fact that you're hung up on the "repetitive" aspect of the book (which it is, as you've so gratuitously just pointed out by giving me an example) without addressing any of my other points is telling of the fact that you deep down probably think I am completely right about it all, or else you would have quickly proved me wrong in a matter of seconds. Now don't speak to your betters again. Unlike you who seems content of himself I don't enjoy wasting my time interacting with mouth breathers.

>>24816131
>”people going to each others houses”
is often as much as a great deal of what passes for criticism of monumental, universally-loved classics is really saying. just boils down to a weird personal thing. which honestly wouldn’t bother me, but the tone and posturing is pretty hard to stomach. when they act like they’re too patrician for quixote, while also acting like he’s being no-nonsense - it’s a weird mix that comes off as trying too hard on both ends. that’s why it feels overblown and absurd.

>>24816185
>I'm not having another argument with a retard
You could have just ignored the post and be on your way. Yet, you typed a drawn out, ego-driven reply
>The fact that you're hung up on the "repetitive" aspect of the book (which it is, as you've so gratuitously just pointed out by giving me an example) without addressing any of my other points is telling
The rest of your "points" were just empty, meaningless assertions. "Physical humor" doesn't translate well into literature? According to whom? Quixote has no depth"? Define "depth". If you see no depth in a potentially-schizophrenic man's quest out of obscurity via the realm of knighthood, but tragically being held back because of his neighbor's hyper-consideration for social conformity, then I don't know what to say. It may not be "profound" (whatever that means), but it's a very real phenomenon that people have experienced throughout the ages.

>>24813248 (OP)

>Beowulf
>Mahabharata
>Ramayana
>The Song of Roland
>Orlando Innamorato
>Orlando Furioso
>Jerusalem Delivered
>The Nibelungenlied (then read Gudrun/Kudrun)
>The Volsung Saga
>The Saga of Hervör and Heidrek
>The Eddas
>The Kalevala
>The Mabinogion

>>24816210
That's crazy man. I see by the length of your message that you really went in depth here. Anyways have a nice day

>>24816213
anons really be using twitter comebacks here

Euclid of course

>>24816895
>t. trivium larper

>>24816094
Plato's Republic literally mines Aristophanes' comedies. Critique of poetry? That's the Frogs. Founding of a city? That's the Birds. Communism of women and children? That's the Assembly of Women. And then there's the depiction of Aristophanes in the Symposium, who, of the five speakers before Socrates, is given the most memorable speech.

>>24816213
>snarky, condescending, feminine riposte
NTA, but you need to go back.

>>24813248 (OP)
Why doesn't /lit/ have downloads for book collections?

>>24813250
I thought it would be a fun read, but it kept reminding me of my mentally ill uncle

>>24813248 (OP)
>ctrl+f "polybius"
>0 results
I am disappoint

>>24819994
Personally I'm not into poly, i think it's for fuckups. I'm strictly monobious.

>>24813248 (OP)
You forgot Book #1 the Epic of Gilgamesh and Beowulf

>>24815416
>>24814998
>>24823105
>Epic of GIlgamesh
which version? The one I read had every other page missing so I just gave up

>>24823901
probably this one but let other anons confirm