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Anonymous No.24835739 [Report] >>24836837 >>24836846 >>24837116 >>24837958 >>24838645 >>24839448 >>24839655 >>24839752 >>24840141 >>24840153 >>24841144 >>24842448 >>24845555 >>24845942
>read 30 chapters
>still sucks balls
When does it get good?
Anonymous No.24835742 [Report]
When Robert dies.
Anonymous No.24835760 [Report]
When you stop reading.
Anonymous No.24835782 [Report] >>24836820 >>24836892 >>24837097 >>24838157 >>24838174 >>24839575
you need 160+ IQ and high-functioning autism like Preston Jacobs to properly enjoy GRRM's magnum opus.

maybe try something more your speed, like Goosebumps, Animorphs, or the Redwall series?
Anonymous No.24836820 [Report] >>24837159 >>24837525
>>24835782
>GRRM's magnum opus
As opposed to?
You say that as if there's anything else GRRM has ever written that is even noteworthy. I'm aware he has a bibliography, but nobody has even heard of anything other than ASoIaF.
Anonymous No.24836837 [Report] >>24840139
>>24835739 (OP)
it's well written honestly
Anonymous No.24836846 [Report] >>24836882 >>24836894 >>24839655
>>24835739 (OP)
I'm not an unsophisticated reader but I kept not being able to get in to ASOIAF. I got about halfway through A Game Of Thrones before I dropped it and haven't looked back.

In particular I found the characters kind of dead and lifeless. A lot of them are pointlessly cruel and there's not many of them you actually find palatable. My favorite character was Ned, and since the show has aired I know what happens to him in the end, so I don't know why I should bother continuing to read.

Honestly my favorite bits of the book were the asides where Martin would randomly start to talk about the details of the flora and the fauna of the world, or the strange people that would come and go around the main characters as they were making their way through Westeros or Essos. But I realized if I really wanted to experience that I could just read the ASOIAF Wiki with all its articles on the lore, the lands, and the various species of creatures and things like the Giants and the Children of the Forest.

The actual story of ASOIAF has failed to hold my interest.
Anonymous No.24836882 [Report] >>24839486
>>24836846
Plot-wise, A Game of Thrones is a crime thriller/whodunnit
Anonymous No.24836892 [Report]
>>24835782
>the Redwall series
Better than anything Martin could dream of producing
Anonymous No.24836894 [Report]
>>24836846
ive only read the first one it does pick up pace by the middle and ends in a cliffanger iirc
Anonymous No.24837097 [Report]
>>24835782
>GRRM's magnum opus
What an odd thing to say.
He isn't reading Tales of Dunk and Egg.
Anonymous No.24837116 [Report] >>24837930
>>24835739 (OP)
>When does it get good?
When it describes the sexy underaged white girlboss
Anonymous No.24837159 [Report] >>24837255
>>24836820
thats what makes it the magnum opus, pseud
Anonymous No.24837255 [Report]
>>24837159
A magnum opus isn't just "good" but implies being the ultimate culmination of an existing body of successful work.
Anonymous No.24837525 [Report]
>>24836820
Dunk and Egg mogs asoiaf
Anonymous No.24837930 [Report] >>24837951 >>24843955
>>24837116
Remember how fun and cool and weird the art around these books could get before the show ruined it all?
Anonymous No.24837951 [Report]
>>24837930
I still have the original RPG (d20 system), it is full of kino art from the 2000s before 2010
Anonymous No.24837958 [Report] >>24837960
>>24835739 (OP)
Read until chapter 65, if you still don’t like it drop the series me.
Anonymous No.24837960 [Report]
>>24837958
To add in to this, it’s an Arya chapter. It has a big twist at the end. You’ll know it when you get there.
Anonymous No.24837966 [Report] >>24839515
It doesn't, it might have its peaks like Tywins death and Varys plans but as someone who knows this I can tell you that most of the fans do not want to admit they enjoy what COULD happen more than what does.
If they didn't they wouldn't be bitching about Winds forever.
That said Storm and Clash then a few parts of Crows are the best parts.
Anonymous No.24838157 [Report]
>>24835782
At least the Animorphs books have an ending.
Anonymous No.24838174 [Report] >>24840569
>>24835782
>high-functioning autism
Then you're just wondering why there are no cities on rivers, and why (if there will soon be an indefinitely long winter) everyone is wasting time fighting instead of constantly stockpiling massive amounts of resources, and how a complex agrarian society could develop in a world with such unpredictable weather patterns
Anonymous No.24838645 [Report]
>>24835739 (OP)
the theon chapters. dont remember which book tho.
Anonymous No.24838931 [Report]
Chapter thirty-one.
Anonymous No.24839032 [Report] >>24839456
cersei chapters are kino
Anonymous No.24839448 [Report]
>>24835739 (OP)
I read all the books and the first couple are the only decent ones. The rest read lile a script.
Anonymous No.24839456 [Report] >>24841444
>>24839032
I guess if you like reading from the perspective of a character who literally cannot do a single thing right.
Anonymous No.24839486 [Report]
>>24836882
It's a murder mystery with no mystery.
Anonymous No.24839515 [Report]
>>24837966
>most of the fans do not want to admit they enjoy what COULD happen more than what does.
I don't know if I would call myself a fan, but I'm the first to admit that the best part of the series is what it promises rather than what it delivers.
Anonymous No.24839575 [Report]
>>24835782
>you need 160+ IQ and high-functioning autism like Preston Jacobs
Preston is a retard, will never understand his dick riders.
Anonymous No.24839655 [Report]
>>24836846
>A lot of them are pointlessly cruel
Name five characters in A Game of Thrones who are like this

>>24835739 (OP)
>When does it get good?
When the best character shows up.
Anonymous No.24839752 [Report] >>24840532 >>24847274
>>24835739 (OP)
Michael Moorcock used to say that he considered himself a "bad writer with big ideas, which is better than being a big writer with bad ideas". In a lot of ways GRRM is the same, specially because he too is part of the "muh subversion of high fantasy" crowd, much like Moorcock.

Reading this specific book, the first of the ASOIAF series was like being hit by a car to me with how terribly written it is. This book manages to have good and bad prose simultaneously within the same paragraph. Genuinely good descriptive, atmospheric paragraphs that then jump to exposition delivered by either the narrator or dialogue with as much subtlety as writing the information on a baseball bat and hitting the reader on the face with it. The first Catelyn chapter tries to expose Jon Arryn's role in Ned's life, his relationship with Robert Baratheon, the seven gods in relation to the old gods, Mance Rayder, the long night, how old Rickon is, who Robert is married to, who the Lannisters are, the Wall, the wildlings, and so on and so on within like six pages. Weird how some moments that require good descriptions like when Daenerys sees her dragon eggs for the first time, which the narration mentions is the most beautiful thing she has ever seen, are delivered in this blasé, simplistic prose, while other random moments of Tyrion eating a turnip are more densely embellished, as if the author can't control his own energy levels towards writing his own scenes, and bursts of spontaneity come to him at random. Action scenes are very hit or miss but centrally cathartic ones like The Mountain vs The Red Viper are writing in this material, objective, simplistic, blasé style, that delivers no tension, no escalation, no stylistic measures to increase and decrease a sense of speed, anything. At some point in the fight a young squire is hacked to pieces and it's delivered with such blasé language you have to do a double-take. Extremely on the nose with how it is leading its characters and its history beats. Everything is very one-dimensional and forced, you have blatant despotic royals who practice or are products of incest, you have an actual estimative done by fans that within five books there are 214 rapes either depicted or mentioned. Indulgently edgy in many of its portrayals independent of its intention being a "muh feudalism bad" take that comes very timely in 1996.

Reading it is disappointing to a straight up macro-level, because it really makes you face how under-exposed normies are to prose fiction in general. When they read the wrestling of a dorky fat kid with attempting poetics they gush about how well written it is. It goes to show that it was a commercial fiction fad that could have easily been stuck within "niche" literature of edgy and overly dense historical fiction inspired fantasy, but ended up being popular with people when they're only 15 and never read outside of their genre. All around mediocre at best.
Anonymous No.24840139 [Report] >>24848430
>>24836837
LOL
Anonymous No.24840141 [Report] >>24840208 >>24848439
>>24835739 (OP)
I couldn't even finish the first chapter, especially when I came across the line:-
>No human metal had gone into the forging of that blade.
Absolutely unreadable illiterate trash. Life's too short for this shit.
Anonymous No.24840153 [Report]
>>24835739 (OP)
the first 3 books are peak, so it sounds like kind of a you problem
Anonymous No.24840208 [Report] >>24840346
>>24840141
I don't see the problem with that line
Anonymous No.24840346 [Report] >>24840356 >>24841115
>>24840208
I bet you don't. But while you're here, why don't you explain what "human metal" is?
Anonymous No.24840356 [Report] >>24840393 >>24842316
>>24840346
NTA and not too keen on the lore but could it mean "no metal known to humans"? Or no metal from this world. Or even no metal forged by human hands. Was the sentence in relation to Arthur Dayne's sword?
Anonymous No.24840393 [Report] >>24840856 >>24843938
>>24840356
Could've been worded better (very easily) in either case
>No earthly metal was used to forge that blade
Or
>No living man knew what kind of metal was used to forge it
Idk though, always seemed unfair to poke at a few bad sentences. It's possible for a well written book to be poorly worded in some places (although from the few selections of his books I've seen, grrm is a pretty mediocre writer)
Anonymous No.24840399 [Report] >>24840467 >>24840554 >>24840881
ASOIAF is just decently written fantasy.

There's nothing transcendental about it, unlike LOTR. The author being a corpulent golem should be a tell.
Anonymous No.24840467 [Report]
>>24840399
True, we the readers are paying his adiction to fast food.
Anonymous No.24840532 [Report]
>>24839752
>book bad because rape
show tits
Anonymous No.24840554 [Report] >>24840856 >>24841387
>>24840399
I think this is kind of true and why I can't get into most fantasy, including ASOIAF. I love LOTR, but LOTR is simply a different sort of story with different ambitions.

What I always remember about my reads through The Lord Of The Rings is how incredibly full of sadness certain sections are. Like when Frodo laments the Elves going away, or when Galadriel sings as the Fellowship is leaving Lothlorien. Or when Theoden remarks on how much seems on the verge of being totally lost. Or the section at the end of ROTK when Elrond, Gandalf, Celeborn, and Galadriel talk long into the night, and the text remarks that they might be statues made of stone, or shadows of smoke.

This incredible sense of how beautiful everything is, and how much is about to be lost, never to be regained, is extremely strong in LOTR and I basically don't find it in any other fantasy. I certainly don't find it in ASOIAF. I don't find any deep beauty, or deep melancholy, in Martin, compared to Tolkien.

There are no songs in ASOIAF, either, no real ones. There is no poetry, only prose. There's no elevation to a higher mode of linguistic expression in Martin's work.
Anonymous No.24840569 [Report]
>>24838174
>Then you're just wondering why there are no cities on rivers
Like basically all the major Westerosi cities are on rivers or the coast. King's Landing is on the mouth of the Blackwater, Oldtown is on the mouth of the Honeywine, White Harbour is on the mouth of the White Knife, Gulltown and Lannisport are on the coasts.
Anonymous No.24840856 [Report]
>>24840393
Can't remmember if that sentence was uttered by a character or the narrator. If it was by a character, I don't see anything wrong about characters speaking incorrectly. Nobody does speak correctly at all times. But yeah, some of grrm's critics ate just nitpickers. Many crticisms are perfectly valid, that being said.

>>24840554
Yeah, LOTR is about a world that's about to end and the coming world lacks the wonder and the beauty. Could be Tolkien lamenting the old world that ended after WWI. Anyway, I agree that nobody captured the sadness of that sentiment as beautifully as Tolkien.
Anonymous No.24840881 [Report] >>24841237 >>24841250 >>24842325
>>24840399
There is something transcendental about ASOIAF, you just didn't pick up on it. Like I said, you need at least 160+ IQ and high-functioning autism to really "get" GRRM's magnum opus.

Remember how much effort JRR Tolkien put into his made-up fantasy languages? GRRM puts just as much effort into his world's history. There is an entirely different story being told in the minor details of the noble houses and their history. 99% of readers will never pick up on it. It's for the 1%.

That's why midwits pick up ASOIAF and think it's just a normal fantasy series. It's absolutely transcendental, midwits just don't pick up on it.
Anonymous No.24841115 [Report] >>24842316
>>24840346
Metal refined by a human
Nigga
Anonymous No.24841144 [Report] >>24841176
>>24835739 (OP)
There's people who swear that GOT is the best of the ASOIAF books because it's so simple compared to the rest, but I genuienly have always found it to be the most bland and boring.
I think it's by far the weakest one in the ASOIAF universe, I prefer a million times the bloatedness of of Dance than it, desu.

Only redeeming quality is whenever Ned is thinking of Lyanna, or Rhaegar, you can really feel his conflict within.
As others have said tho, the second half of the book is bettter than the first half.
Clash and Storm mog it tho.
Anonymous No.24841176 [Report]
>>24841144
>just read slop to get to the good part
>yeah I know I said the series was good but I wasn't referring to the parts you've read already
nah
Anonymous No.24841227 [Report]
I'll give ASOIAF a try when grrm croaks and whoever gets his estate scrapes together some semblance of an ending.
Anonymous No.24841237 [Report]
>>24840881
You missed the point about transcendentalism completely, funnily enough.
Anonymous No.24841250 [Report] >>24841429
>>24840881
>10,000 year old gothic castle
>700ft tall wall
>800ft tall stone tower
>clown car ships that each hold thousands of men and horses at a time
no he doesn't
Anonymous No.24841387 [Report] >>24842305 >>24842321
>>24840554
LOTR fags are the worst. LOTR is one of the worst written books. Anyone who has read it without influence from public perception knows this. The pacing and poise are all inconsistent(Things just randomly happen and requires constant backtracking) . The only thing that hypes LOTR is being the first of its kind and nostalgia from millennial nerds. GRRM is a far greater writer than Tolkien. I read ASOIAF before the tv-show and GRRM mogs Tolkien in everything.
>I don't find any deep beauty, or deep melancholy, in Martin, compared to Tolkien.
Adult literature is not for you.
Anonymous No.24841429 [Report]
>>24841250
>>clown car ships that each hold thousands of men and horses at a time
It's completely feasible that a 14th century style ship could carry ~100 men, that's only 10 ships per 1k
Anonymous No.24841444 [Report]
>>24839456
yeah thats the best part, finally getting inside the head of a character who seemed to be well put together and smart only to find out they are dumb as a stump
Anonymous No.24842305 [Report]
>>24841387
>muh pacing
LOL. You're not watching a movie, Gurmtard. Learn the difference.
Anonymous No.24842316 [Report] >>24842331
>>24840356
>>24841115
Then why didn't he write "no known metal" instead? It would have been precise and unambiguous.
(Don't worry, it's a rhetorical question. We all know why.)
Anonymous No.24842321 [Report] >>24843949
>>24841387
When you grow up, you'll understand.
Anonymous No.24842325 [Report]
>>24840881
>glup shitto wookiepedia articles
>trancendental
Anonymous No.24842331 [Report] >>24842381 >>24843929
>>24842316
"No known metal" sounds clunky and autistic, whereas "no human metal" evokes something spooky and otherworldly.
Anonymous No.24842381 [Report] >>24842397
>>24842331
>"no human metal" evokes something spooky and otherworldly
And retarded.
Anonymous No.24842397 [Report] >>24842426 >>24842428
>>24842381
Only an autistic person would even think "no known metal"
Do you think the limited third person pov narrator was mentally listing through all known metals, and concluding that this was some kind of undiscovered alloy? It's clearly just a short way of saying the blade looks odd and not recognizably human-made.
Anonymous No.24842426 [Report]
>>24842397
>Only an autistic person would use language accurately
>This is what pulp fantasy consoomers believe
Anonymous No.24842428 [Report] >>24842438
>>24842397
>Only an autistic person would
That's sort of the point when you're writing a fantasy novel in a made up universe whose story is based off a 15th century war for succession
Anonymous No.24842438 [Report] >>24842453
>>24842428
>he doesn't understand limited 3rd person narration
Anonymous No.24842448 [Report] >>24842591 >>24842609 >>24844656 >>24846526
>>24835739 (OP)
>When does it get good?
when you start getting Jaime chapters

also doing my first re-read of the series after reading it 10 years ago, takeaways (no real spoilers)
>this series is essentially a metaphor for why women should NEVER be in charge of anything, ever
>Catelyn is a smoothbrained midwit, if everyone just told her to shut up and did the opposite of what she suggested, 90% of the Stark/Tully characters would still be alive
>Cersei will do anything and harm anyone in order to avoid doing her duty, which is mostly just being married and staying quiet, thousands die so that she doesn't have to suck it up and be a good wife
>Dany is damaged goods due to childhood trauma of being a beggar and having an angry brother, this leads her to mistrust wiser elders, and she will commit genocide against anyone who tells her no, her instincts from the very beginning (and she is open about this) is to holocaust anyone who wont bend over to give her whatever she wants
other notes
>jaime becomes irrevocably based after being blackpilled in the dungeon of riverrun
>every stark besides arya is sub-90 IQ
>renly/stannis decision to destroy each other rather than come to some compromise and easily overrun the lannisters, who killed their brother, is the most inexplicable decision in the book by two otherwise (relatively) intelligent characters

i just started AFFC, honestly i had forgotten this series was basically just a series of people shooting themselves in the foot and stealing defeat from the jaws of victory. if catelyn just refrained from seizing the dwarf with zero thought, tens of thousands would have survived and Ned probably would have discovered the truth of Bran's attempted murder. eventually he would had just shown the dagger to Robert he would have gotten his answer.
Anonymous No.24842453 [Report] >>24842580
>>24842438
I have no clue what you're talking about, it's just extremely funny to say "this is autistic" as a negative thing when you're talking about epic fantasy books lol. Autism is kind of the entire point
Anonymous No.24842580 [Report] >>24843481
>>24842453
An autistic person would realize the character whose head you are in typically isn't autistic
Anonymous No.24842591 [Report] >>24843383
>>24842448
>Ned probably would have discovered the truth of Bran's attempted murder. eventually he would had just shown the dagger to Robert
Except he was capable of doing that anyway, and he didn't
Anonymous No.24842609 [Report] >>24842617
>>24842448
>i had forgotten this series was basically just a series of people shooting themselves in the foot and stealing defeat from the jaws of victory
Yep. Pretty much every character has a death wish. Bunch of lemmings running out of a cliff. It gets even worse as the series progress.
Anonymous No.24842617 [Report] >>24843525
>>24842609
The fact you can see their demise coming is called tragedykino. Ever heard of a little thing called dramatic irony friendo? Imagine being mad when unfavorable things happen to characters because you want to see le heroes win.
Anonymous No.24843383 [Report]
>>24842591
>Except he was capable of doing that anyway, and he didn't
one of his POV chapters explicitly states that he doesn't because there's
>a slight chance robert knew
>theres no hard evidence and the imp would just deny the dagger was ever his
littlefinger obviously encourages this mindset bc he knows cat will do something retarded (she does) before they find proof
why do they listen to this obvious scoundrel? once again, because cat is stupid
Anonymous No.24843386 [Report]
The best book is the second
Anonymous No.24843481 [Report]
>>24842580
no, they wouldn't. autism is famously the tism that prevents those with it from seeing outside their perspective lmao
Anonymous No.24843525 [Report]
>>24842617
In classic tragedy, it's fate what brings characters to their doom. The archetypical tragic character is one that knows, or at least somewhat foresees, that his course of action might lead him to his demise but he has no choice and in spite of his doubts he has to do what he has to do.
In ASOIAF most characters are just retarded. It's also very clear in the books that the author knows and purposedly wrote them that way. There's a few exceptions.
Ned is bound by duty and honor in a world where those words mean shit to the rest of the characters and that's what gets him killed. He's playing by the rules while the others are cheating.
Jon Snow shares that worlview with Ned but is even more shortsighted, maybe because he's like fifteen or so. He should have seen it coming.
Tyrion is another tragic character, shunned by something out of his control or say.
Catelyn, Cersei, Rob and other POV characters are mostly retarded, and much of the non-POV characters are even more retarded.
Anonymous No.24843929 [Report] >>24844301
>>24842331
>evokes something spooky and otherworldly.
Exactly.
Dude, you are trying to explain simple stuff to pseudo-intellects who think their low quality autism makes them smart nerds.
Anonymous No.24843938 [Report] >>24845089 >>24845423
>>24840393
If your brain can't decrypt something as simple as "No human metal" then your autism is a result of being dropped on the head as a child. Give up on literature(fantasy & sci-fi) and stick to board games.
Anonymous No.24843949 [Report] >>24844307
>>24842321
>When you grow up, you'll understand.
You just repeated what I told.
Your mental proficiency is equivalent to that of a high school girl.
Anonymous No.24843955 [Report]
>>24837930
I hate the show so fucking much. Yeah the art was better.
Anonymous No.24844301 [Report]
>>24843929
Once again,
>human metal
Anonymous No.24844307 [Report]
>>24843949
>Your mental proficiency is equivalent to that of a high school girl.
What a remarkably clumsy sentence. Is that you, George?
Anonymous No.24844656 [Report]
>>24842448
>renly/stannis decision to destroy each other rather than come to some compromise and easily overrun the lannisters, who killed their brother, is the most inexplicable decision in the book by two otherwise (relatively) intelligent characters

This is one of those things I think about a lot regarding the series. You need to remember, Renly up and declares himself king before Robert's body is even cold. Stannis wasn't even on his mind. As far as he was concerned, he was cutting Joffrey and Tommen in line because they were kids (Joffrey, the one taking the throne, a particularly shitty one). Robert was a usuper. As far as Renly saw it, the new mode of succession was might and popularity. Robert took the throne? Cool. I'm basically Robert reborn? Don't mind if I do. Don't forget a freshly spurned Loras Tyrell was riding his dick and telling him what a better king he would make than the others. Renly was riding high and rightly knew he could make his move and win. He would have too if not for blood magic getting in the way. Speaking of.

When Stannis announces the illegitimacy of Cercei's children, he does so once Renly already has half the fucking Reach marching towards King's Landing. So, while you are right, they could have been better of compromising than tearing each other apart, the timing is awkward. Renly's already crowned, he's got a Queen, a new Kingsguard. Politically speaking, Stannis was asking too much in wanting him to stand down when so much was already in place for him. Don't get me wrong, I do like Stannis, his claim is the most legitimate, but if Renly's great flaw was cutting in line, Stannis' mistake was biding his time too long, not telling Renly or even Eddard wtf Cercei was pulling behind Robert's back.
Anonymous No.24845089 [Report]
>>24843938
>If your brain can't decrypt something as simple as "No human metal"... give up on scifi&fantasy
Unironically good advice
Anonymous No.24845423 [Report] >>24845479 >>24845497
>>24843938
Nobody said they couldn't decrypt it. It's the necessity of decrypting it at all. A good writer aims for clarity and accuracy. And a reasonable command of the language.
Anonymous No.24845479 [Report] >>24845484
>>24845423
It doesn't require decrypting. When a normal, non-autistic person reads "human metal" they naturally interpret it as "metal made by humans."
The only people who don't are autists or redditors who think it's funny to take every phrase completely literally. "heh, human metal, what, like, metal made of humans? *snort* hehehe"
Anonymous No.24845484 [Report] >>24845498
>>24845479
It's not just redditors, I assure you.
Actual literate people everywhere are kekking at the fat hack.
Anonymous No.24845497 [Report]
>>24845423
>A good writer
>fantasy
Anon...
Anonymous No.24845498 [Report] >>24845515 >>24845519
>>24845484
It's redditors who think taking everything literally is hilarious, and autists who take everything literally because they are completely incapable of understanding anything that ISN'T completely literal.
Nobody who read the books ever thought anything of the phrase "human metal" unless they fit into one or both of those categories.
Anonymous No.24845515 [Report] >>24845535
>>24845498
The cope is endless in this one.
George, is it you?
Anonymous No.24845519 [Report] >>24845535
>>24845498
George, you don't need to take writing criticism so personally. Just read some actually well written fiction like pynchon, take a couple creative writing classes, and finish your bookseries (or don't, you have more money than god anyways)
Anonymous No.24845535 [Report] >>24845653 >>24848255
>>24845515
>>24845519
Samefag.
>pynchon
I took a quick look at some summaries of his most famous works. They sound profoundly boring. I have no interest in reading stories about contemporary America or V-2 rockets.
Anonymous No.24845555 [Report]
>>24835739 (OP)
If you think this sucks, I'd avoid any other fantasy book. Apart from Tolkien and Martin, the fantasy genre is the same quality as months old encrusted smegma.
Anonymous No.24845653 [Report] >>24845715
>>24845535
Wise
Anonymous No.24845715 [Report]
>>24845653
I don't care how good a book's writing is if I don't find the premise of the book interesting. I find the premise of ASOIAF interesting, I don't find the premises of any of Pynchon's works interesting.
Anonymous No.24845942 [Report]
>>24835739 (OP)
Heh, Thats the rub innit, it never really does.
Anonymous No.24846526 [Report]
>>24842448
>>renly/stannis decision to destroy each other rather than come to some compromise and easily overrun the lannisters, who killed their brother, is the most inexplicable decision in the book by two otherwise (relatively) intelligent characters
This and also the King in the North nonsense is done purely so that Stannis, Robb, and Renly don't simply make an alliance and win the war in a month.
Anonymous No.24847274 [Report] >>24847345
>>24839752
Ultimately the runaway subversion is the reason why these Books were never going to finish. GRRM is a mystery box generator who likes to only build up the boxes but subvert them and make it seem like you were stupid for thinking otherwise. It's baked into the very premise since GoT isn't really fantasy and it all might be a bait and switch sci-fi shit that can explain everything that seemed magical, including the prophetic dreams and giant magic dragons (which have to have 4 limbs okay its gotta be anatomically correct!)
Anonymous No.24847345 [Report] >>24847444
>>24847274
>Ultimately the runaway subversion is the reason why these Books were never going to finish. GRRM is a mystery box generator who likes to only build up the boxes but subvert them and make it seem like you were stupid for thinking otherwise.
Yeah, but grrm himself didn't see it coming.
Anonymous No.24847444 [Report]
>>24847345
Yeah somehow every book since the series started upped the the amount of book he needs. Like he said trilogy but changed it too 4 books while writing Clash and it continue to grow until he forced himself to 7. But he never actually changed the way he wrote so the problem persisted regardless of what arbitrary line he drew. This is why he is a hack GRRM.
Anonymous No.24848255 [Report]
>>24845535
*cope intensifies*
Anonymous No.24848430 [Report] >>24848444 >>24848471
>>24840139
provide an example of bad writing in ASOIAF

>muh dany diarrhea!!

Actually well written prose with good cadence but is only shit on because muh poop hehe, great argument. The only one I can agree on is the fat pink mast.
Anonymous No.24848439 [Report]
I already did: >>24840141
You're welcome, anon.
Anonymous No.24848444 [Report]
>>24848430
pink masts, myrish swamp. Boom
Anonymous No.24848447 [Report]
the last Bran chapter in ADWD is the best written chapter in the series
Anonymous No.24848471 [Report] >>24848542
>>24848430
Provide an example of what you consider good writing in ASOAIF, for keks.
Anonymous No.24848542 [Report]
>>24848471
>X is shit
>prove to me why it's shit
>"n-no u!!"

kek